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Nat Pryce - Co-Author of "Growing Object­-Oriented Software Guided by Tests" & "Java to Kotlin"
Duncan McGregor - Co-Author of "Java to Kotlin" & Independent Consultant

RESOURCES
Nat
https://mastodon.social/@natpryce
https://github.com/npryce
https://x.com/natpryce
https://www.linkedin.com/in/natpryce
http://www.natpryce.com

Duncan
https://twitter.com/duncanmcg
https://www.linkedin.com/in/duncan-mcgregor-a3038b6
https://github.com/dmcg
http://www.oneeyedmen.com
https://java-to-kotlin.dev

Links
https://www.meetup.com/extreme-tuesday-club-xtc
https://guava.dev/releases/21.0/api/docs/com/google/common/base/Function.html

DESCRIPTION
This conversation between Duncan McGregor and Nat Pryce explores the legacy of Nat's co-authored book "Growing Object-Oriented Software, Guided by Tests" (GOOS) and how software development practices have evolved in the past 15 years.

They discuss the origins of test-driven development (TDD) within London's Extreme Tuesday Club, the shift from object-oriented to functional programming paradigms, and how changing technology has influenced development approaches.

Key topics include outside-in vs bottom-up testing strategies, mock objects, the rise of microservices, and whether modern development practices have actually improved productivity.
The conversation provides valuable historical context for understanding current software development trends while questioning whether some modern practices represent true progress.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Duncan McGregor & Nat Pryce • Java to Kotlin
Steve Freeman & Nat Pryce • Growing Object-Oriented Software (GOOS)
Uberto Barbini • From Objects to Functions
Saleem Siddiqui • Learning Test-Driven Development
Roy Osherove • The Art of Unit Testing
Trisha Gee & Helen Scott • Getting to Know IntelliJ IDEA
Vaughn Vernon & Tomasz Jaskula • Strategic Monoliths & Microservices

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