How can cities deliver on their ambitious agendas? In conversation with David Sloan Wilson, Marina Alberti is a true pioneer of adopting a new perspective based on a combination of complex systems science and evolutionary science. She is Professor of Urban and Environmental Planning at the University of Washington and author of Cities that Think Like Planets: Complexity, Resilience, and Innovation in Hybrid Ecosystems. Their conversation ranges from how she acquired a complexity/evolution perspective to how it can be applied to the city of Seattle, along with any other city and region around the world.