In this episode of Apprenticeship 2.0, Joe chats with Kathleen deLaski, Founder and Board Chair of the Education Design Lab, which works with colleges, states, and employers to design shorter, more targeted forms of higher education. Together, they discuss Kathleen's new book, Who Needs College Anymore?, and where apprenticeships fit in; policy and political barriers in the current higher education and apprenticeship funding landscape; and much more.

Preorder Kathleen's book, coming out Feb. 25, at www.whoneedscollegeanymore.org.

Music by Evgeny Bardyuzha from Pixabay.

Sound Effect from Pixabay.