Here's another break from our regular half-hour episodes, with another outtake from a previous interview. When we interviewed Rou Reynolds for episode seven, he spoke some very honest truths about how to cope with the realities of both activism and the state of our world. We couldn't really fit those things into the flow of the full episode, so here they are as a short bonus track.

Also, this gives us the chance to let our regular listeners know two things: One, we are incredibly grateful that you are out there, and keep tuning in! Thank you so much for your support!

And two, due to workload and travel, our last two regular half-hour episodes for the season will require a bit more time. The next one will probably pop up in your player towards the end of June. Martin is travelling because in two weeks he will show his documentary feature film 'Purpose' about economic systems change at its premiere in Reykjavik, Iceland, at the Wellbeing Economy Forum. If you want to know more about the film, do have a look at the website https://purpose.film.

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Enter Shikari's website:

https://www.entershikari.com

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

Rou Reynolds is the frontman and keyboardist of the band Enter Shikari. Formed in 1999 in St. Albans outside London, it found its current name and line-up in 2003. They have released seven albums so far, the latest being "A Kiss for the Whole World" — it came out on April 21st 2023 and turned into their first number 1 album. It's not easy to describe the musical style of Enter Shikari — we were struggling, so we turned to Wikipedia where it says that they combine "rock music (especially punk rock and hardcore punk), with elements of various electronic music genres, featuring breakdowns, heavy metal and hardcore-influenced instrumentation …” that description actually keeps running on, for another two lines. You have to listen to it to find out. Rou himself, meanwhile, may be one of the most politically minded popular musicians in the UK today.

Enter Shikari's website:

https://www.entershikari.com

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From our conversation:

Enter Shikari Songs:

"Take My Country Back" on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/102vOKAF3ZrSGgEaDKmiUG?si=dd3db8d3e93a4728

"Ghandi Mate Gandhi" on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/0IOtWMCvUNJtFR77d0AYfm?si=abb20b4537a743ac

Enter Shikari Albums:

"Nothing Is True And Everything Is Possible" on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/album/5RqRElQANHEUFyIWPt8FEp?si=NAT7fCrPQpuPRJY09xpnTg

"A Kiss for the Whole World" on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/album/54ueM4SD9fr9VTYeXJc8xp?si=Anwdrl8uQSaclqYh2j922A

Rou's book: "A Treatise on Possibility"

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/58107373

Bands:

"Adequate Seven" on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adequate_Seven

"Capdown" on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capdown

"Rage Against The Machine" on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

This week, we're taking a little break from our regular half-hour episodes, to throw a little outtake into the mix. Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting — your hosts here on Express Change — have found that sometimes, the tables get turned: Our guests ask them something. In the regular episodes, we tend to edit these bits out — our focus is on the guests, not on the hosts. But every once in a while, it does lead to unexpected results. Our conversation with Mapumba Cilombo in episode three is an example of that. Here are a few minutes from parts of that conversation that ended up on the cutting-room floor. We hope you'll enjoy this.

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Mapumba's website:

https://www.mapumbamusic.com/

Mapumba on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/6V46XOVfnoCXHWBeZ92k5b?si=UCdGJv_oTEWol2A7kMPWlw

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

Pushpanath (“Push”) Krishnamurthy is a climate activist and humanitarian who has been walking to create awareness about climate justice for years. He is originally from Bengaluru, India, and has spent three decades working in development, with organisations such as Oxfam and Save the Children. His first walk was from Oxford to Copenhagen, to raise awareness on climate change in 2009. He has walked 40 million steps since then. He sings, speaks and acts on his walks. In his past, he has worked on a range of campaigns to raise awareness about social, economic, or environmental injustice.

Pushpanath on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/pushpanathkrishnamurthy/

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

Katherine Trebeck is a political economist, writer and advocate for economic systems change. She is a co-founder of WEAll, short for the Wellbeing Economy Alliance, as well as WEAll Scotland, its Scottish hub. She also initiated the Wellbeing Economy Governments initiative, in which the governments of Scotland, Iceland, New Zealand, Wales and Finland work together on creating wellbeing economies. After working and living in Scotland for well over a decade, she returned to her home country, Australia, in 2023, where she is now working on a range of different projects to advance the introduction of wellbeing economies.

Katherine's website:

https://katherinetrebeck.com/

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From our conversation:

"This young Koala has a mental health problem."

⁠https://www.madinamerica.com/2019/05/young-koala-mental-health-problem/⁠

Text in the New Yorker, about Ayn Rand's influence on American culture, and her "optimistic cruelty":

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-persistent-ghost-of-ayn-rand-the-forebear-of-zombie-neoliberalism

"Yes Minister" page at the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/anniversaries/february/yes-minister/

"Don't Look Up":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Look_Up

"Day After Tomorrow":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

Katja Iversen is the CEO of the "Museum for the United Nations - UN Live", an unconventional, borderless museum connecting people everywhere to the work and values of the United Nations. They work with popular culture players and platforms in film, music, gaming, arts and sports, curating cultural experiences and creating global connections through dialogues — to foster a stronger sense of shared belonging to this planet and positive action.

In the past, she has worked as an advisor to private and public sector institutions and leaders including the World Economic Forum, the World Health Organization, and the G7.

Museum for the United Nations — UN Live:

https://www.museumfortheunitednations.com/

Katja's website:

https://katjaiversen.com/

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From our conversation:

Top 10 Culture for Impact 2023 list:

https://www.museumfortheunitednations.com/collection/top-10-culture-2023

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

Mapumba Cilombo is a singer-songwriter, storyteller, music producer and a voice for wellbeing based in Cape Town, South Africa. He was born in Kolwezi in the Democratic Republic of Congo. In the year 2000, Mapumba released his first album and sold thousands of copies out of his car trunk. Since then his catalog has grown to many singles and albums, and he has toured in cities across the US, Puerto Rico and Canada. His project ‘Music for Wellbeing’ aims to help people heal and evolve for themselves, their family, community and our world.

Mapumba's website: https://www.mapumbamusic.com/

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From our conversation:

Mapumba on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/6V46XOVfnoCXHWBeZ92k5b?si=UCdGJv_oTEWol2A7kMPWlw

Mapumba's album Ndaya‘s on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/album/1k3KMC77EZytde2CaG2rUY?si=xluwzEs9RKCQYCtAKzWVqQ

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

Tim Jackson is an ecological economist and playwright. Since 2016 he has been Director of the Center for the Understanding of Sustainable Prosperity (CUSP). CUSP is a multidisciplinary research center which aims to understand the economic, social and political dimensions of sustainable prosperity. Its guiding vision for prosperity is one in which people everywhere have the capability to flourish as human beings – within the ecological and resource constraints of a finite planet.

Tim’s website: https://timjackson.org.uk

CUSP at the University of Surrey: https://cusp.ac.uk/

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From our conversation:

A starting point to read about 'physics envy': https://aeon.co/ideas/few-things-are-as-dangerous-as-economists-with-physics-envy

About the film Nyad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyad_(film)

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

Shirley Rodriguez brings twenty years of experience in media production to her role as President & Creative Director of "Create the Remarkable", a New York-based, minority owned production company. With "Create the Remarkable", Shirley has been able to combine her joy for storytelling, her attention to detail and imagery, her background in marketing, and her history in community-organising to create media that has an impact. She is an award-winning photographer and was selected as one of 10 artists commissioned to produce a mini-documentary for The Small Business In America series.

Shirley's photography: https://shirleyrodriguezphotography.com

Create the Remarkable: https://www.createtheremarkable.com

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From our conversation:

Philippa Schuyler Middle School: https://philippaschuyler383.org

About "A Puerto Rican in New York, and Other Sketches", by Jesús Colón: https://read.dukeupress.edu/hahr/article/42/3/447/159981/A-Puerto-Rican-in-New-York-and-Other-Sketches

The "Latin Explosion": https://www.grammy.com/news/1999-year-latin-pop-conquered-america

LatiNatural: https://shirleyrodriguezphotography.com/latinatural-1

"Pablo-matic: Picasso According to Hannah Gadsby" -- Exhibition about Picasso at the Brooklyn Museum: https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/exhibitions/its_pablo_matic_picasso_according_to_hannah_gadsby

Free Money Day: https://freemoneyday.org/

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Express Change is hosted and produced by Marina Gattás and Martin Oetting, with the team at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance. Find out more at https://weall.org and https://martinoetting.com

A brief introduction to our new podcast!

Art has an incredible influence on how we feel and think about the world, whether it's film, music, or storytelling. We explore how the arts can help us work towards true sustainability and against democratic, societal and ecological breakdown.

In this teaser, you'll need only six minutes to meet the incredible range of people we've interviewed so far for our first season — they are, alphabetically ordered by last names:

Báyò Akómoláfé – https://www.bayoakomolafe.net/

Mapumba Cilombo – https://www.mapumbamusic.com/

Katja Iversen – https://katjaiversen.com/

Tim Jackson – https://timjackson.org.uk/

Pushpanath Krishnamurthy – https://www.instagram.com/pushpanathkrishnamurthy/

Rou Reynolds – https://www.entershikari.com/

Shirley Rodriguez – https://shirleyrodriguezphotography.com/

Katherine Trebeck – https://katherinetrebeck.com/

We — the hosts and producers — are Marina Gattàs, Culture and Public Policy Lead at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance (based in Sao Paulo, Brazil) and Martin Oetting, an artist, filmmaker and writer (based in Berlin, Germany).

EXPRESS CHANGE is supported by the Wellbeing Economy Alliance – https://weall.org/