The woman at the heart of Intruders returns—and her story is more powerful than ever.This week on Dreamland, Deb Jordan Kauble joins us for an intimate and revelatory conversation about the extraordinary encounters that shaped her life and helped define one of the most influential contact cases in modern history. Long before the hybrid narrative entered the UFO lexicon, Deb lived through experiences that Budd Hopkins would document in Intruders—encounters involving strange beings, impossible children, and an emotional dimension that no simple theory can contain. Now, decades later, Deb brings her own voice, her own understanding, and her own extraordinary clarity to the story. We explore the deep human side of these encounters: the maternal connection, the sense of unfinished relationship, the lingering mystery, and the profound questions of identity and purpose that followed. This is not a retelling—it is a reframing, an expansion, and in many ways, a revelation. What did the beings want? Why was Deb chosen? What is the true nature of the children she met—and what do her experiences say about the hidden history of contact itself?Join us for a journey into one of the most emotionally charged and enigmatic corners of the close-encounter world, guided by a witness whose honesty and insight have only deepened with time.