Notes:

The Verbivore paraphrases a quote from a James Cameron article. That actual quote is:

- “People call me a perfectionist, but I'm not. I'm a rightist. I do something until it's right, and then I move on to the next thing.”

The Verbivore references a scene from the Pixar movie Onward. Here is the quote and link:

- Ian Lightfoot: I'm not ready! 

Barley Lightfoot: You'll never be ready. Merge!

- Merge Gif Link

Here is the specific MasterClass lecture that we mentioned in this conversation:

- MasterClass “Roxane Gay: Self-Editing: Re-Visioning Your Work”

Here are some articles and videos that we found helpful in preparation for this conversation:

- Penguin Randonhouse News for Authors Article “How Do You Know When You’re Done Writing?”

- Writer’s Mag Article “From the Front Lines: How can you tell when a work is done?”

- K.M. Allen “Writing The Final Draft: What To Check”

Masterclasses Mentioned:

- Roxane Gay Writing for Social Change

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Notes:

Sarah is an YA Fantasy Romance author who’s currently querying her debut novel Wicked Glimpses (book one) - an urban fantasy romance with elements of sci-fi. Wicked Glimpses “is about a teenage girl chased by dark hallucinations into a magical world of crime fighters to investigate her wild power, family secrets, and a mysterious bond with a broody time traveler that’s either the start or end of everything”. She’s also in the process of developing and writing book two in this series.

Sarah’s personal website is https://sarahlyn81.wixsite.com/sarahzimmerman . We’d also highly recommend checking out her Instagram @authorsarahzimm.

Books and Movies Mentioned:

Funny Farm - Directed by George Roy Hill

Divergent (Divergent Series, 1) by Veronica Roth

City of Bones (The Mortal Instruments Book 1) by Cassandra Clare

Save the Cat! Writes a Novel: The Last Book On Novel Writing You'll Ever Need by Jessica Brody

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Definitions:

- Editing - Prepare (written material) for publication by correcting, condensing, or otherwise modifying it. Remove unnecessary or inappropriate words, sounds, or scenes from the text. Refining, polishing, making it more like itself.

Fable and the Verbivore reference a quote by Mark Twain. Here is that quote:

- “Substitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very;' your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.”

Here are some articles and videos that we found helpful in preparation for this conversation:

- WritersWrite “Simplify Your Writing – Avoid These 44 Overused Words & Phrases”

- Louis Dockery “6 Words You Need to Stop Using in Your Work Vocabulary”

- CNBC “Want to sound more confident? Avoid these 11 words and phrases that make you look ‘weak,’ say grammar experts”

- ServiceScape “Remove These 30 Words and Phrases from Your Writing Now”

- Lit Reactor “8 Words to Seek and Destroy in Your Writing”

- BookCave “17 Weak Words to Avoid in Your Writing”

- Leslie Ann McDaniel “WRITING LESSON: REPEAT OFFENDERS-THE 10 MOST OVERUSED WORDS IN FICTION”

- Jerry Jenkins “249 Strong Verbs That’ll Spice Up Your Writing”

- ReedsyBlog “265+ Forceful Verbs to Turn You Into a Literary Tyrannosaurus”

- WritersHelpingWriters.com “Active Verbs List”

- Dragon Writing Prompts “1000 Verbs to Write By”

- Self-Publishing School “Strong Verbs: An Easy Guide for Using & Understanding Strong Verbs”

- NowNovel “Adjectives for description: 60 precise words”

- 7esl.com “Descriptive Words: 700+ Describing Words in English (with Useful Examples)”

- The Verbivore’s Pinterest Collection “Descriptor Words”

Books, Movies, and Graphic Novels Mentioned:

- The Elements of Style, Fourth Edition by William Strunk Jr. and E. B. White

- Several Short Sentences About Writing by Verlyn Klinkenborg

- Refuse to Be Done: How to Write and Rewrite a Novel in Three Drafts by Matt Bell

- Self-Editing for Fiction Writers, 2nd edition: How to Edit Yourself Into Print by Renni Browne and Dave King

- The Forest for the Trees (Revised and Updated): An Editor's Advice to Writers by Betsy Lerner

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Notes:

Definitions:

- Editing - Prepare (written material) for publication by correcting, condensing, or otherwise modifying it. Remove unnecessary or inappropriate words, sounds, or scenes from the text. Refining, polishing, making it more like itself.

Here are some articles and videos that we found helpful in preparation for this conversation:

- Medium Transcript Article of Quotidian Video “Writing Tips for Fixing Overwritten and Underwritten Prose”

- LitHub “12 Contemporary Writers on How They Revise”

- Aerogramme Writers’ Studio Article “Back to the Story Spine”

- Script Mag Article “SCREENPLAY STRUCTURE: The Spine of the Screenplay”

- Reedsy YouTube Video “Assessing Your Manuscript | How to Edit a Book #1”

- Ellen Brock YouTube Video “How to Edit Your Novel | Advice from an Editor”

- Mollie Reads YouTube Video “Self-Editing Your Novel: Tips from an Editor”

- Story Garden Publishing “Developmental Editing Tips for Authors (with Editor Angela Traficante) | Story Garden Publishing”

- Louise Harnby | Fiction Editor & Proofreader “What are the different types of novel editing?”

- WritersDigest “Alternatives to a Professional Edit”

- MasterClass “10 Tips for Editing Your Own Writing”

- MasterClass “Editing Essentials: What Is Developmental Editing?”

- MasterClass “What Is Line Editing? Line Editing vs. Copy Editing”

- MasterClass “Editing Checklist: How to Edit Your Own Writing”

- Reedsy “5 Types of Editing: Which One Do You Need Right Now?”

- Reedsy “What is Line Editing and How Can It Help Your Book?”

Books, Movies, and Graphic Novels Mentioned:

- Beach Read by Emily Henry

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Notes:

Fable (author Beth Stedman) offers both developmental editing services and a two week writing review. The review is two weeks of customized book coaching for writers of romance, young adult, and all forms of speculative fiction (fantasy, sci-fi, etc). Part developmental editor, part cheerleader, part motivational coach, she helps writers get unstuck and reach their goals. You can connect with her on instagram @bethstedman

Definitions:

- Editing - Prepare (written material) for publication by correcting, condensing, or otherwise modifying it. Remove unnecessary or inappropriate words, sounds, or scenes from the text. Refining, polishing, making it more like itself.

The Verbivore paraphrases a quote from Neil Gaiman’s MasterClass. That actual quote is:

- “The process of doing your 2nd [draft] is the process of making it look like you knew what you were doing all along.”

Here are some articles and videos that we found helpful in preparation for this conversation:

- LitHub “12 Contemporary Writers on How They Revise”

- Louise Harnby | Fiction Editor & Proofreader “What are the different types of novel editing?”

- WritersDigest “Alternatives to a Professional Edit”

- MasterClass “10 Tips for Editing Your Own Writing”

- MasterClass “Editing Essentials: What Is Developmental Editing?”

- MasterClass “What Is Line Editing? Line Editing vs. Copy Editing”

- MasterClass “Editing Checklist: How to Edit Your Own Writing”

- Reedsy “5 Types of Editing: Which One Do You Need Right Now?”

- Reedsy “What is Line Editing and How Can It Help Your Book?”

Masterclasses Mentioned:

- Neil Gaiman Teaches the Art of Storytelling

- Aaron Sorkin Teaches Screenwriting

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Notes:

In this episode, we touch on the authors that we’ve interviewed over the course of the podcast and how positive those conversations have been. Here is a link to those episodes:

https://fableandtheverbivore.com/podcast/category/interview

Fable mentions a recent interview that we had with author Emily Barnett, where the importance of sharing your work with your community came up. Here is that episode:

Episode 137: Interview with Emily Barnett

The Verbivore brought up several Marvel fan conversations where we invited an author guest to join for a discussion on a particular topic. Here are those episodes:

Episode 146: Marvel Character Dynamics with MJ McGriff

Episode 147: Marvel's WandaVision with K.T. Anglehart

We also touched on our book club episodes where we discussed a book with a reader. Here are those episodes:

Episode 86: Animal Dreams by Barbara Kingsolver

Episode 104: Reader conversation about Sister Heart

Episode 124: Out of the Vortex by Amy Whitehouse

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Notes:

“Jason Reynolds is an award-winning and #1 New York Times bestselling author. Jason’s many books include Miles Morales: Spider Man, the Track series (Ghost, Patina, Sunny, and Lu), Long Way Down, which received a Newbery Honor, a Printz Honor, and a Correta Scott King Honor, and Look Both Ways, which was a National Book Award Finalist. His latest book, Stamped: Racism, Antiracism, and You, is a collaboration with Ibram X. Kendi.” - Amazon.com

Here’s Miles Morales: Spider-Man’s hook:

- “Miles Morales is just your average teenager. Dinner every Sunday with his parents, chilling out playing old-school video games with his best friend, Ganke, crushing on brainy, beautiful poet Alicia. He’s even got a scholarship spot at the prestigious Brooklyn Visions Academy. Oh yeah, and he’s Spider Man.”

Books, Movies, and Graphic Novels Mentioned:

Miles Morales: Spider-Man by Jason Reynolds

Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse – Directed by Peter Ramsey, Robert Persichetti Jr. and Rodney Rothman

Long Way Down by Jason Reynolds

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Notes:

We mention the advice that originally came from our interview author Candice Yamnitz for when you have a character that is difficult to like show them first as a child so that the audience can connect with them. That episode is:

- Episode 125: Interview with Candice Yamnitz

Here are some key movie moments in story order that we bring up in our discussion of Thor and Loki’s journeys:

- Thor and Loki as Kids - Mjolnir Scene - Thor (2011)

- Thor - Loki & Odin - Loki finds out he's adopted

- Thor vs Loki - Final Battle Scene - Thor (2011)

- Hulk vs Loki - "Puny God"- Hulk Smashing Loki - The Avengers

- Odin Sentence Loki - Thor: The Dark World (2013)

- Thor: The Dark World(2013) - Loki Talks With His Mother Scene

- "You Must Be Truly Desperate To Come To Me For Help" - Thor: The Dark World (2013)

- Loki's Death Scene - Thor and Loki vs Kurse & Dark Elves - Thor: The Dark World (2013)

- "No. Thank you." - Loki reveals himself - Thor: The Dark World

- Thor Ragnarok Opening Scene I Thor vs Surter Fight Scene

- Thor Ragnarok (2017) - Loki's funny theatre scene with Thor

- THOR: RAGNAROK (2017) Movie Clip - Odin Departs

- Thor vs Hela - First Fight Scene | Thor Ragnarok (2017)

- Thor Ragnarok (2017) - Thor & Loki do "GET HELP"  

- Thor Electrocutes Loki Scene | Marvel's Thor Ragnarok 2017

- Thor vs Hela - Thor Ragnarok

- Loki “Your Savior Is Here” - Thor: Ragnarok (2017)

- Thanos demands that Loki hand over the Tesseract, threatening to kill Thor - Avengers: Infinity War

- Loki Death Scenes - Thanos Kills Loki - Avengers Infinity War Scenes

The Verbivore references several quotes made by Thor and Loki. They are as follows:

Thor: “Loki, I thought the world of you. I thought we were going to fight side-by-side forever, but at the end of the day you're you and I'm me and... oh, maybe there's still good in you but... let's be honest, our paths diverged a long time ago.” - Thor: Ragnarok

Thor: “Dear brother, you're becoming predictable. I trust you, you betray me, round and round in circles we go. See Loki, life is about... It's about growth, it's about change, but you seem to just want to stay the same. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you'll always be the god of mischief, but you could be more. I'll just put this over here for you.” - Thor: Ragnarok

Loki: “I assure you, brother — the sun will shine on us again.” - Avengers: Infinity War

We hope you enjoy this episode! We can’t wait to dig into Loki’s character further in our class on July 20th at 1pm ET where we’ll explore the Disney + series Loki Season One. There’s a sign-up link in our bio at https://linktr.ee/fableandtheverbivore.

Books, Movies, and Graphic Novels Mentioned:

Thor: Ragnarok - Directed by Taika Waititi

Thor – Directed by Kenneth Branagh

Thor: The Dark World – Directed by Alan Taylor

Jojo Rabbit – Directed by Taika Waititi

Hunt for the Wilderpeople – Directed by Taika Waititi

The Avengers - Directed by Joss Wedon

Avengers: Infinity War - Directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo

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Notes:

K. T. Anglehart’s first novel The Wise One (The Scottish Scrolls Book 1) was released in October, 2020 and recently was named the 1st Prize Winner in Supernatural Fiction at the Chanticleer 2021 Paranormal Book Awards. Katrina is currently working on writing book 2 “The Twin Flame” she currently plans to release around the end of 2022/beginning of 2023 . You can learn more about The Wise One on Katrina’s personal website https://www.ktanglehart.com/ and her instagram @kt_anglehart, the first three chapters are available in her bio at https://smart.bio/kt_anglehart/.

We touch on the topic of Subtext in dialogue. That could be a topic all it’s own, but here is a MasterClass article titled “What is Subtext?”.

The Verbivore mentions the fake out that Marvel did in having the actor Even Peters (who has played Quicksilver in X-Men Days of Future Past) show up as Fake Pietro. Here is an interesting take on why Marvel may have made that choice.

Here are some Wanda related movie and TV series moments that we touch on:

Vision's Birth | Avengers Age of Ultron (2015) Best scenes

Wanda Rips Out Ultron's Heart "It Felt Like That" - Avengers Age of Ultron (2015)

Sokovia Falls Clip - Marvel's Avengers: Age of Ultron

Sokovia Accords Debate | Captain America Civil War (2016)

Vision + Wanda Maximoff | The Kitchen Scene ["Is That Paprikash?"]

Wanda and Hawkeye vs Vision - Captain America: Civil War (2016)

Avengers Infinity War Wanda and Vision Scene 201

Avengers Infinity War | "I'm not asking for forgiveness.." Full scene

Scarlet Witch kills Vision (Vision's death) / Wakanda team vs Thanos | Avengers Infinity War

Thanos Kills Vision Scene - Avengers Infinity War (2018)

Avengers Infinity War Moment After Thanos Snapped His Finger

Wanda Tells Vision To Save His Boss | Wandavision Disney+

WandaVision 01x02 | Wanda Finds Toy Helicopter

WandaVision 1x02 | "Wanda! Can you hear me?" - Radio Scene (HD)

WandaVision 01x02 | Wanda Rewinds

Theses are runes Wanda - WandaVision

Ship of Theseus - WandaVision (Vision and White Vision)

Wanda Becomes Scarlet Witch - Agatha Harkness vs Wanda Maximoff Fight - WandaVision (2021)

WandaVision 1x09 || "Family Is Forever"

Wanda and Vision say goodbye

The Verbivore and Katrina read several quotes. Here they are:

"I remember that I liked (Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch) very much and I thought it would be fun to have villains who aren't really bad deep down," Lee told Comics Creators On X-Men. "We already had a reluctant hero with Spider-Man so I thought it would be fun to create a pair of reluctant villains." - Stan Lee, Found on UncannyX-Men.net

“We can't rush aging just because it's convenient. And we can't reverse death. No matter how sad it makes us. Okay? Some things are forever.” - Wanda, WandaVision Ep: 5

“Well, because it can't all be sorrow, can it? I've always been alone, so I don't feel the lack. It's all I've ever known, I've never experienced loss because I have never had a loved one to lose. But what is grief, if not love persevering?” - Vision, WandaVision Ep: 8

The Ship of Theseus discussion between WandaVision Vision and White Vision occurs in Episode 9 and is based on a philosopical thought experiement created by Greek philisopher Plutarch. Here is some additional information:

- TED-Ed Who am I? A philosophical inquiry - Amy Adkins - Ship of Theseus

- OSU: PHILOSOPHICAL THOUGHT - SHIP OF THESEUS by Noah Levin

We’ve interviewed author K.T. Anglehart on a previous podcast episode. That episode is:

- Episode 96: Interview with K.T. Anglehart

Books, Movies, and Graphic Novels Mentioned:

The Wise One (The Scottish Scrolls Book 1) by K.T. Anglehart

WandaVision – Directed by Matt Shakman

When the Sky Fell on Splendor by Emily Henry 

Avengers: Age of Ultron - Directed by Joss Wedon

Captain America: Civil War - Directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo

Avengers: Infinity War - Directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo

Avengers: Endgame - Directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo

Bewitched - The Complete Series

X-men: Days of Future Past – Directed by Bryan Singer

Lord of the Rings by J. R. R. Tolkien

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling

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Notes:

Margaret “MJ” McGriff is an author, podcaster, and content marketing professional. She’s authored and self-published two YA Sci-Fi books (The Fall, The Takeover) and one novella (The Mission) in her New Earth Series. Over the last three years, she’s written and released three YA Fantasy novels (Macario’s Scepter, The Secret Library, The Spell Keeper) in her ongoing adventure series - The Magian. Information on The Magian series can be found on her website at: http://www.mmcgriff.com/macarios-scepter/

MJ posts regularly on Instagram often with fantasy and adventure images inspired by her work as well as great writing and content marketing advice. You can connect with her and her work on Instagram @mj_mcgriff, on Twitter at @mj_mcgriff, and on her website at http://www.mmcgriff.com/. A free copy of her short story titled The Griffin A Magian Short Story is available here.

We’d also recommend checking out “The Content Creative Podcast” series that she created and hosted centering on creatives who are looking to market their work. Episodes can be found here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-content-creative-podcast/id1493974542

Here are some movie and TV series moments that we touch on:

- Black Widow - Yelena Vest Scene

- Guardians of the Galaxy - First Meeting Scene

- Tony Stark´s Vision - Avengers Age Of Ultron (2015) Marvel Infinity War tease

- The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Soul Gazing / Staring Contest

- I'm Sure You Did Your Best - Shuri Helps Vision Scene - Avengers Infinity War Movie

- Tony Stark VS Dr. Steven Strange (Argument Scene) - Avengers: Infinity War

- "Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist" Tony Stark vs Steve Rogers - The Avengers

- CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR (2016) Clip - Ending Scene

We’ve interviewed author M.J. McGriff about her writing life on a previous podcast episode. That episode is:

- Episode 108: Interview with MJ McGriff

Books, Movies, and Graphic Novels Mentioned:

Macario's Scepter: The Magian Series Book One by M.J. McGriff

The Secret Library: The Magian Series Book Two by M.J. McGriff

The Spell Keeper: The Magian Series Book Three by M.J. McGriff

Captain America: The First Avenger - Directed by Joe Johnston

Iron Man - Directed by Jon Favreau

The Avengers - Directed by Joss Wedon

Captain America: Civil War - Directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo

Avengers: Infinity War - Directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo

Avengers: Endgame - Directed by Joe Russo and Anthony Russo

Ironman 2 - Directed by Jon Favreau

Iron Man 3 - Directed by Shane Black

Avengers: Age of Ultron - Directed by Joss Wedon

Ant-Man - Directed by Peyton Reed

Black Widow - Directed by Cate Shortland

Guardians of the Galaxy - Directed by James Gunn

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Directed by Kari Skogland

Black Panther - Directed by Ryan Coogler

Spider-Man: No Way Home – Directed by Jonn Watts

Spider-Man – Directed by Sam Raimi

The Amazing Spider-Man – Directed by Marc Webb

WandaVision – Directed by Matt Shakman

Captain Marvel – Directed by Anna Boden

Thor – Directed by Kenneth Branagh

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