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“Sometimes your idea isn’t broken — it’s just not ready yet.” In this immersive episode, Dain joins Rob to explore how interactive storytelling can drive real-world impact, from failed game prototypes that resurrected years later to transforming news stories into joyful community games. Tune in for deep insights on designing for emotion, embracing iteration, and why sometimes a pamphlet beats an app.

dain saint (he/they) is a Philly-based storyteller, designer, and creative director making beautiful immersive experiences. They run Reckless Magic, an interactive storytelling label, and curate Futurefull, an interfuturist storytelling collective.

Rob is a host and consultant at Professor Game as well as an expert, international speaker and advocate for the use of gamification and games-based solutions, especially in community building and education. He's also a professor and workshop facilitator for the topics of the podcast and LEGO SERIOUS PLAY (LSP) for top higher education institutions that include EFMD, IE Business School and EBS among others in Europe, America and Asia.

 

Guest Links and Info

• Website: dainsaint.com
• LinkedIn: Dain Saint
• Instagram: @dainsaint

 

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• Recommended book:
  • Immersive Storytelling for Real and Imagined Worlds by Margaret (Imagineering)
  •  Emerging Strategy by Adrienne Maree Brown
• Favorite game:
  • Hades
  • Roll For Shoes
  • Tag!
  • Football / Soccer

 

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