In episode nine Albert talks with Jon Lawrence, an author and musician who trekked across five deserts over five contents to raise money for a cancer charity in memory of his father. Their discussion focuses on grief, it’s influence on us, how we approach it, how it evolves and what we can learn from addressing it.

Good Grief: Five Deserts in Search of My Father, Jon’s show retelling his story trekking across five deserts can still be seen at the Edinburgh fringe, alongside his other show The Music Man, which features silly songs which encourage the children to sing, dance, laugh and learn.

Buy tickets to either of Jon’s shows: the music man or good grief

Purchase Jon’s book Good Grief: Five Deserts in Search of My Father and I