Judge Sarah Evans Barker, the first woman in several prominent roles in the state of Indiana—including US Attorney, Federal Judge, and Chief Judge—shares stories from her distinguished career in the law and how the foundation of faith inspires her work. Judge Barker’s persistent sense of hopefulness is evident as she describes the leaders we must seek and be. “We’ve got to find people who understand to their bones that they don’t exist for themselves alone.”

In this Faithful Discourse episode, respected scholar and Professor of Sociology Andrew Whitehead, author of American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church, joins Chris to discuss the impact of Christian Nationalism and some faithful responses to it. Conversations at the intersection of religious faith and public life—like this one—can be uncomfortable and challenging, which is precisely why they are so important. As Andrew said in the closing moments of this episode, “Onward together.”

In this episode, Chris sits down with his friend and colleague, Rev. Dr. Winterbourne Harrison-Jones, pastor of the historic Witherspoon Presbyterian Church in Indianapolis, to discuss their common call to public ministry, the necessity of friendship, and the life of congregations.

In this conversation: Rev. Gracie Payne. Gracie, an ordained Presbyterian pastor who serves as the Director of Young Adult Engagement at Second Presbyterian Church in Indianapolis, shares insights into the spiritual lives of young adults and a vision for a compelling and faithful future.