This week Kirsty is chatting to poet Ariel Tsai all about poetic empathy, what it truly means to be thriving, their shared love of language and how to become more empathetic. You can find Ariel's work on Instagram, TikTok and Twitch, you can also find her recent book: 'Narcissus' here. To follow along with all things FAB head to Instagram, TikTok and our website. Don't forget to follow/subscribe, share the episode, leave a review and tune in next Monday for a new episode of Small Talk with Naomi!