Feeding Fatty

How To Start Living Your Best Life After 50 with Jan Malloch

I realized there was a huge, huge gap in the market because there weren't personal trainers who are older, who could, you know, really empathize and whatnot with older men and women for that matter. Because, you know, you'll find older people will go to a personal trainer, and they'll be in their 20s, maybe their 30s.

About Jan

I'm a Fitness and Lifestyle Transformation coach for professional women over 50.

I totally transformed my life at 62. I lost weight and qualified as a personal trainer specializing in helping older women to be fitter.

Prior to this change, I never fully appreciated the importance of health and fitness, especially as you get older.

I worked at a desk job, and was sedentary most of the time. Doing any form of physical exercise never entered my mind. I then came to the stark realization that my poor eating habits and lack of mobility were killing me.

That's when I made the decision to do something about my life. The thought of ending up in a care home, sitting in the corner dribbling and being immobile really scared me.

Unlike the vast majority of personal trainers, I know exactly how it feels to struggle to lose weight and how exhausting it is to be unfit.

I also know how it feels to be older! All of these experiences have given me a much better understanding and empathy with my clients. I can personally relate to all of the women I work with – and they in turn relate to me.

Let me ask you…do you relate to any of the following?

Perhaps, as an older woman, you focus too much of your time on your work and families, to the detriment of your own health and well-being.

Returning from work after a hectic and stressful day, you are then faced with trying to sort out the problems that your husband and kids are going through.

A feeling of exhaustion and overwhelm often results in reaching for that wine bottle and ordering a takeout meal – just to escape from the havoc that is enveloping you.

Much of the evening is spent in front of the TV. You continually make poor lifestyle choices regards your health, which leads to weight gain, lethargy and fatigue.

And the more weight you put on, the more fatigued and stressed you become.

My role is to stop this vicious cycle. I help older women to appreciate the critical importance of prioritizing their own health and fitness so that they can enjoy a dramatically improved healthy quality of life.

Jan Malloch Website

www.feedingfatty.com

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How To Start Living Your Best Life After 50 with Jan Malloch

Sun, 6/27 2:12PM • 53:06

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SPEAKERS

Jan, Terry, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:07

Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This

Terry 00:09

is Roy, this is Terry. So

Roy Barker 00:10

we are the podcast that we're chronicling our journey through getting healthy can include, you know, our diet, what we eat our exercise, and of course, we have changed in, you know, talk a lot about mindset these days. So well, on our Tuesday releases, we usually have professionals, other people that are in the industry.

And then on Thursdays, we have been releasing, you know, kind of our personal stories where we are in our journey. And we've been talking a lot about diabetes, just because that is something that I deal with a lot. So anyway, without further ado, Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce Jan

Terry 00:50

Jan Malloch is a fitness and lifestyle transformational coach, for professional women over 50. She worked a desk job and was sedentary most of her life. She has a varied background, work and education. And is she is a coach. So, Jan, I just would love for you to, we'd love for them to hear from you as far as your background and how you found yourself in this position.

Jan 01:21

Well, I mean, certainly, I mean, I qualified as a personal trainer about three years ago, that was when I was 62. So doesn't take a mathematician to know I'm now 65, right?

Terry 01:31

Where you would have to help me with.

Jan 01:35

But I tell you how my journey started not because, you know, as you'd said, I'd always been sort of, you know, sitting in an office and all the rest of it. And I really didn't care too much for fitness or going to the jammer. And that because, you know, when you were younger, you didn't really bother, you know, because everybody's everybody's fit, everybody can do what they need to do and all the rest of it. But as I was getting older, FM certainly when I was in my early 50s, I thought I'm gonna have to watch you know what I'm doing, you know, health wise.

Now, my parents, and I have to say this better my parents, both of them died in their 50s. Yeah. Which was not good. And the thing was that both of them died because of their own poor lifestyle choices. That was that they both drank to excess, and they smoked to access. And they really just did not look after themselves. So my father, he died when he was 54. My mother was 59. And what I discovered was really, it was a case of Do you know what I'm now 52.

I don't want this to happen. Yeah. So basically, I stopped drinking, I stopped smoking. And that was that. But as the years went on, I found that I was still putting on weight. And I thought, you know what, I'm gonna have to do something about my weight. Because as we know, weight problems now are pretty well, as bad as being a smoker. In the olden days, if you don't realize how bad it is. So what I did was I started to lose weight.

And what I did was, I thought, you know, what, I really need to, you know, get some exercise, go to the gym, and all the rest of it. But again, I joined gyms before, but you know, you pay your monthly membership, you never actually go, but you feel as if you've done something by paying

Terry 03:33

for it.

Jan 03:36

So, you know, I got and I got this idea of what I could do is, if I really want to sort of try and get myself to go to the gym, they actually had a they had a volunteer program, and it was an actually aging Well, it was called. And it was noted to help people over 50 to be you know, Fisher. And I thought if I volunteer for this, this might encourage me to go to the gym. Yeah. Now, of course, the thing was, I didn't know what sort of volunteer work I'm going to do.

Because I thought, right, I'll meet with this woman and she'll say, Well, how about Chang can fix our computers or we can do a bit of receptionist work or something of that, you know, something that was more based on what I had done before. But she, she sort of talked to me and she said john, do you fancy training to do seated exercise for frail older adults? And I thought, Oh, I could do that. So that's where I started on my fitness journey.

And then I thought, right well, what I'm gonna do is I'm because I'm just beginning to lose weight because of, you know, the the exercise I was doing, and I thought, let's become a gym instructor. And then when I became a gym instructor, they said to me on the course john, you need to be a personal trainer. That's what you need to do. And that's what I did. And then I focused on older people. But the thing is that I So I've lost track of what we were talking.

Roy Barker 05:06

Now you were just talking about how your, your path to becoming that person, you

Jan 05:09

know you well, this is it? Yes. Basically, I think I'm really, I think it's a case of whenever you get opportunities, you don't know where they're gonna go. And what you want to do is grab hold of those opportunities. Because obviously, if I hadn't have gone along to volunteer with the gym, I would probably still be sitting in an office somewhere still overweight, not looking after myself.

Terry 05:35

Yeah, new opportunities just breed possibilities for new life.

Roy Barker 05:40

I mean, exactly, exactly. You have to be open to them. That's the main thing is we have to be open and willing to take that chance willing to learn,

Terry 05:48

willing to learn Yeah, no, I

Roy Barker 05:50

think that's awesome. You know, we, I think a couple things I was writing down while you were talking there is that, you know, sitting is the new smoking. And that's why, you know, so many of us now are tied to a computer, and then then a lot of people that made a transition from working in an office to working from home.

And it's, it is hard to realize this, and this is no lie, that working at home, if I don't make an effort to actually do something else, I can usually end up the day with maybe three to 500 steps total, you know, walking from the bedroom, bathroom, desk, kitchen, desk, back to the bedroom. And that's it. And so, you know, I think it's just become more Paramount that we have to actually be conscious of this. So we can take that extra effort to do things, you know, get up because it's going to catch up with us.

Either orthopedically, you know, setting on our hips and our back and everything else or the weight that we've gained, because I'll have to say I've put on a few, you know, COVID pounds myself. But we really have to make that effort to say we've got to we got to move today, because it really doesn't matter how eight how old we are. It's gonna catch up with us eventually. There's just no.

Jan 07:12

It's interesting to Roy, because you were talking about, and it's funny how this has now come into our language. COVID pounds, that's now a part of our everyday language, isn't it? But the thing is, there are a lot of people who they've actually taken advantage of the situation and they've actually become better. Oh, no, because, you know, they're working from home. So therefore, they don't have all this commute and all that. So they might have a bit more spare time. So they are looking after themselves. But I would say the vast majority of us aren't. We've everything slide.

Roy Barker 07:48

Somebody was telling me that, you know, they they say they called the COVID-19 that they not team pounds I put on my wall. I'm an overachiever. I have the COVID 38. Because I think probably I've doubled that for sure. But it's uh, you know, our gyms were shut down for a little bit. And that, you know, that, you know, a lot of people catch me like, Well, you know, you don't have to work out to lose weight.

You know, it's all 80% your diet, which I get that, but for me personally, I think they're all intertwined and tied together that, for me to feel good. And for me to, to be able to walk by something that is not healthy. I need to be moving and feel healthy feel like I'm doing because if I'm just sitting around the house not doing anything. To me, it's so much easier to eat bed.

Jan 08:41

Well, the thing is, exercise isn't just for trying to lose weight, exercise, it's just to stay healthy. That's the important thing is

Terry 08:50

important for mindset, important for mindset, right? Isn't that and

Jan 08:55

what is it? Well, this is obviously, in this COVID thing. I mean, a lot of people are suffering from really bad mental health issues, stress, anxiety, all the rest of it. And the thing is, if you're locked away in your own house, in those four walls, you're going to get really feeling low, you're going to feel depressed. But if you can just go out and at least have a bit of a walk out in the fresh air. Think about things, you know, just even look at a tree and say, Wow, that's amazing. You know, I couldn't build a tree. You know, things like that, you know, it's just to focus in and really start appreciating what you've got out there. That's the thing.

Roy Barker 09:36

Yeah. Yeah. And for me creativity, you know, like I do a lot of, you know, problem solving. So if I get kind of jammed up or whatever, it's amazing just going out and taking that 15 minute walk, how it clears my head. And it also, I guess it kind of sparks my creativity because not only I'm working on but Luckily for Terry, it gives me a chance to think about other ideas for her to implement. He's like, I gotta go walk with you. So I can talk with you. So you don't think it's

Terry 10:10

a great idea. Think about all these other things that he wants to end.

Roy Barker 10:15

But, but even going with that, with that theory that the other part I think that troubles me is I love to go to the gym. But when I go to the gym, I love to stay for two or three hours, because I like to do some cardio, I like to do the weights. If they have a punching bag, or you know, do whatever, just a little bit of everything. And but sometimes you get in this this rut of Well, I don't have two hours to go spin. But yeah, it's not really about that. I mean, I have to refocus and say, you know, what, if I could just go get 15 minutes in two things. It's 15 minutes, I'm moving, but it's 15 minutes, I'm not sitting in front of a TV eating something that I shouldn't be eating.

Jan 11:00

Exactly, yes. Yeah. Yes, it is. I mean, obviously, if you're trying to get out of habits of, you know, I mean, people say, oh, what I do is I sit in front of the TV, and I eat all this junk food and whatnot. And they'll start saying, Well, what could I eat instead? well forget about eating altogether. Think about what else could I do? That's the important thing.

Roy Barker 11:25

Yeah, being in motion. And, you know, we think that we've talked about, you know, we talk pre show about some other stuff, but you know, about the, you know, my watch that I'm wearing now, cuse me to try to get 250 steps in every hour, instead of waiting, you know, to the end of the day, because we've talked that, for me, it's easier to commit to.

I can get up for two or three minutes, every hour to take a few steps. versus if I wait and say, Okay, I'm going to the gym or even get out in the neighborhood and walk tonight. So many things that can come up between now and tonight. Like, don't feel like it anymore. Maybe it starts to rain, you know, a million things, but we need to that little incremental stuff, it really adds up and is probably a much better plan. Would you say?

Jan 12:17

Oh, definitely. I mean, it's amazing how many excuses you can come up with, not to do particular things. Especially I mean, if you're talking about an hour or two hours, that's a huge chunk of your day. But if you knew you were just getting up from two, three minutes, even five minutes, it's no big deal. You know, you can do it. it's manageable. That's the thing. I think a lot of people when they're saying, oh, I've got to do all this stuff, I've got to go to the gym, and I've got to dedicate hours and hours and hours. No, you don't. You've got to start somewhere. And always start small, and do things that you enjoy doing. That's the important thing.

Roy Barker 12:57

Yeah, yeah. And we'll kind of keep on top of that consistency. Because, you know, if you will do those small things every day, over a length of time, you will start to see the compounding effect of that. Whereas, you know, if you make a commitment to get up and walk for a couple minutes for a day, you're not gonna see much effect of that. So that consistency factor is, and that's hard. You know, that's hard. that's usually where we fail with a lot of things is, we can do it for two or three weeks.

But it's trying to make that mindset change to where, you know, this is a life style change, this isn't permitted thing. And I think if we, I may, I'm gonna ask this as a question. But if we try to visualize the change that we want, in the incremental steps, not in this huge package, it makes it much easier for us to achieve, you know, what do I actually need to do today? worry about that knot. I've got all this, you know, I want to do all of this within a year, but you know, maybe what do I need to do today to be held

Jan 14:03

up? It's really a case of you break it all down into tiny, tiny chunks. That's it, you know, so, you know, don't be sort of thinking, right, okay, in a year's time, I want to lose 100 pounds in weight, something like that. I don't think that's way too big a goal to be looking at. What you want to be doing is saying every day, Well, today, I'm going to eat more vegetables. I'm going to forget that cake or whatever. And I'm going to keep doing it. And you know what, before you know what, you've actually lost that 100 pounds without really having to sacrifice too much in your life. That's the important thing. Yeah,

Terry 14:43

read there. I'm gonna I'm gonna remember that. Forget the cake. I'm gonna keep saying that's gonna be my mind. From now on. Forget the cake.

Jan 14:53

Well, you know one thing you know, it's very easy nowadays. You go into the supermarket and everything's there. And not only Is it there? But, you know, they're making it so cheap, you know, for all these, this junk food is just so drastically cheap, it's ridiculous. And you go and buy it, they're even thinking, and you know what? Well, let's reverse this try and say, Well, if I want a cake, then I'm gonna have to buy the flour, the eggs, the milk, I'm gonna have to find your recipe, and I'm gonna have to bake this, you know, think about that. Yeah. And then at least it's a bit of effort you're having to put in, rather than just reaching into the cupboard and eating.

Roy Barker 15:33

I don't think about it in those terms. But you're right, it's so easy for us to eat bad these days. because like you said, everything's ready made.

Terry 15:41

Yeah. All together, you don't have to, you don't have to use your time to do with the prep work.

Roy Barker 15:47

Yeah, or the drive throughs. You know, we were we were talking to, you know, another young man this morning. And that was kind of what he was saying that, you know, he plays in a band. And when he left, he had a long drive home. And he said, he always had to go by a particular restaurant with the drive thru. And it was very easy for him to pull in. And then it was kind of like, satisfying his boredom while he had this long drive. And he said, you know, eventually, he could see that, that started taking a toll on him.

Jan 16:16

And that was definitely a habit, because what he would have been doing is in a particular part of his journey, he would say, Oh, I'm just approaching this driving, which we will not name. That's just approaching this. So your mind then says, okay, right. That means you have to buy this, and we're going to have to eat this. And so the habit soon came into to action, whether he was wanting it or not, it was gonna happen. Yeah,

Roy Barker 16:44

yeah. In the intro, I taught I've begun to mention this more is that, you know, we started out this talking about changing some of our eating habits, and then like, trying to get consistent with our Yeah, be more consistent with the exercise and things that we did through the day. But we've really migrated to mindset because, again, you know, some things that you've mentioned, like having the big 100 pound goal in a year, it's daunting.

And if you think about that, it makes you want to go eat something, whereas you think about, I just need to get these steps in, you know, in sometimes maybe we take it minute by minute, if I got a couple minutes, I need to get some steps in it's better than eating. But the mindset portion of this very important, not only to get started, but then that sustainability as well.

Jan 17:34

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think actually talking about that, you really need a good, good reason why you want to lose the weight. That's the thing. Yeah. And it has to be an internal thing. You have to, you know, do this for yourself, you know, you there's no point in your husband and wife, or whatever, saying, Oh, you know, you're getting all fat, you've got to lose weight. That's not helping you. Because you're not you haven't bought into that idea. You've got to buy into it.

And you've got to list all the reasons why you want to lose the weight. I mean, for instance, I mean, I did lose 70 pounds, but I'm sure you're thinking well, I lost 70 pounds, because I want to be healthy. I've got two young grandkids, I want to be able to be at their weddings, I want to be able to dance, their weddings and all that. So health is absolutely crucial for me. So what you do is you find that if there are any sort of weak moments that you have, what you do is you just remind yourself of these flies, and that keeps you going.

Roy Barker 18:41

Now I will say Terry is very slender, and very nice figure. But I have not lived this long by being dumb and saying, Hey, honey, you've got to put on a few pounds. Maybe you need to hit the gym over there. Something like that. Yeah,

Terry 18:55

I say it. It's one thing, but I might have to whack you over the head find me very well,

Roy Barker 19:03

I am somewhere.

Jan 19:04

Interesting thing is, and this happened to Oh, this was a good 10 years ago or so that my husband said, john, it's this since when I was big. And he said, john, you know, why is it that you whatever goal you set yourself, you can achieve it. But you're still so heavy. And that actually set me on the road to thinking I'm gonna prove him wrong. So now this doesn't work with everybody, but it certainly worked with me. I thought I'll show him I will. I'm gonna go and lose this weight. You know?

Terry 19:39

Isn't that something? Oh, I love that. I mean, I you know, and I have not. I carried probably for about 1520 years I I carried a good amount of weight and about three years ago. I start I mean made myself go work at a farmers market? out, I wanted to be paid to go be fit and go do exactly, you know, I wouldn't get paid a lot, but I knew that something had to motivate me to do it. And I needed to do it. So I was able to lose at like 8590 pounds.

Roy Barker 20:18

Wow. Yeah. And she you know, every day she would, I don't know, you probably got a minimum of 12,000 steps. But you were, you know, bending over lift and stuff move into it. You know, it's just constant motion all day long. Which That's awesome. And you were you are getting paid to be fit?

Terry 20:37

Yes, me Yes, fit. And then I had a goal, I figured out a way to make it hat and I didn't think about I've just thought about I wanted to be fit, I wanted to lose a little weight. I didn't think about the overall picture, I just these little steps. And that's exactly what happened. Oh, it's just clicking. It did. Yep.

Jan 20:57

Yep. So you found the solution. That's the thing, don't be focusing on the problems. And I think a lot of people just focus on problems, what you want to do is come up with a solution. That's the idea. And you achieve that really well, without having too much of a stack base, and even got a few pennies at the end of the week as well.

Terry 21:18

A few, very few, but I got so that was the main thing.

Roy Barker 21:23

The Um, so starting out, everybody is different. And this is one thing that we talk about frequently is that, you know, if you're going to work with somebody, if they say, hey, I've got this great plan that's worked for 50 other people, that may be a little bit of a red flag for me, because I want somebody to ask questions to try to make, you know, like, I don't like to run, I don't mind walking the weights and all that, but I'm not much of a runner.

So if you came at me and said, Hey, the great solution for you is run 10 miles every day or something. I mean, I'm not make it for a day, but that that's gonna be it. So how do you start out? You know, if somebody was to ring you up and say, Hey, I'd really like to work with you. How do you start out with that?

Jan 22:08

Well, really, it's it's a case of obviously asking a lot of questions. I mean, obviously, you have to get to know the person first. Because you have to build up that rapport, where you know, that you will work together? Well, because remember, I'm basically taking responsibility for helping them to be healthier. Yeah. And they have also got quite a responsibility to do what I'm asking them to do. That's the thing. So the thing is, as you were saying, right, everybody is totally different. Everybody's got different goals. Everybody's got different requirements.

So it's really a case of right. What do you actually want to achieve? Yeah, let's see where you are. This is point A, let's see what you want to do at point B. And let's see what we can do to make this happen. Yeah. So then, yeah, as you say, if somebody says, There's no way I want to do any running or anything, so therefore, you obviously wouldn't get them to train for the marathon. That's it. Right? Whereas a lot of people would say, Oh, that's the only way to lose weight is to run a marathon and things like that, well, that's a load of nonsense, you know.

So you have to finely tune it to that particular person and their needs. Because Do you know, exercise if we can start thinking about this as more like play because obviously, as a kid, you were out playing all the time, and you enjoyed it, you were physically active, because you were playing, you did what you enjoy. So this is what you want to do with exercise, trying to think of it as more like play, and you're wanting to do what you want, not what you're being told to do

Roy Barker 23:47

right now. Yeah. And you can flip that switch by instead of the oh my gosh, it's time for me to go to the gym, I have to go again. We we should turn that around and say, You know what, I get to go I mean, because it's if you think about other people who are in worse physical shape, or may have even died from not being in good health, it's actually a privilege that you can actually go and so kind of flipping that switch was is exactly the right way to think about that.

Jan 24:17

Wow, that is brilliant. I've got your number now. Wow, I mean, that's it because you'll say Well, hold on. I can go to the gym because I can I physically can go to the gym. That's right.

Roy Barker 24:32

Yeah. When you get to be a certain age like myself, it's uh, you know, you look around a lot of people that haven't made it this far or that are in so much worse, worse health, that just can't they wish they could and then here I am perfectly healthy and think that it's a chore that I have to do so. But also talking about the, you know, selecting somebody to work with. It's good to have this trust because you're going to ask me to do things that I need to have this trust and a connection with you.

To be like, okay, she knows what she's doing and not be resistance and put up like, yeah, you know that fuss with you about, Hey, I just need to do what I'm asking I'm gonna get an outcome. And then also you have that cheerleader, the accountability and that you know, because there are going to be days that even the most active person is going to be like, I'm tired. I don't really feel like it. But that's where you can kind of be that the voice of reason. therapist, yeah,

Jan 25:31

yeah. But yes, you meet, you actually need that accountability. I mean, I have my I have a personal trainer. Now I only trained with him once a week. But you know, a lot of people say, you got a personal trainer, you are a personal trainer, you could just make out of your own workout programs to go along to the gym and all that. And I say, Well, I'm not necessarily wanting to go to the gym. That's a problem.

Yeah, right. But if I know, at half past two and a Monday afternoon, I'm seeing my personal trainer. Well, I think of myself as being a reliable person. So I don't want to let him down. I don't want to let me down. So therefore I go. And the thing is, once you're there, it's brilliant. And of course, obviously, he builds up my confidence and all the rest. And, you know, you'll say, Oh, well, I want you to look this certain way, you know, this week? And you'll say, you'll say to yourself, no, I don't know if I could do that. But he'll say, Oh, yes, you can. And before you know what, you have actually done what he reckons you can do. That's great.

Roy Barker 26:36

Yeah, no, that's a good point that, you know, even trainers have to have trainers, because it's like a, you know, a barber, a barber can't cut his own hair. And then, you know, with warriors, they say any lawyer that tries to represent himself has a fool for a client. So you know, it only makes good sense that you know, that we all need that help. And that encouragement no matter what position we're in. Exactly, yes, yes.

Terry 27:00

Yeah. And I don't like I mean, I, I have never had a trainer or coach or anything. Maybe that's what I'm, I need one. But I don't like to be told what to do. And there's a fine line there. Right? I don't they don't tell you. They encourage Yes,

Roy Barker 27:17

I strongly. Yeah, the nice thing about the trainer too, is I had one that actually came to the house. So you know, there was no escaping this guy. Because if I was on the phone talking with somebody, and he like did a little Knock, knock. If I wasn't on the door, immediately, he was like banging on the windows, like, I know, you're in there, you're not I'm not going away. But he really made sure that I got this. And that was the beauty of having him come to the house is I didn't have to make a decision to get a car and to drive somewhere.

And the other cool thing about it is, you know, kind of like you do It's like he wasn't just standing, we weren't going to a gym, and he was standing there counting reps on a machine working on. I mean, like he personally designed. We're, you know, kind of odd stuff for me to do you know, if we worked with the big one of those big old bouncy balls rolling on it, and they had some other things that he would bring in the house. And it just just wasn't routine. Yeah, yeah, not the same thing every day. But it was also like trying to work on building core, as well as extremities, but not just, you know, going in and saying, Okay, give me 10 you know, give me 10 on the arms and then one.

Jan 28:32

Yeah, that that's interesting. Because my, my personal trainers like that, he will always give me a variety of different things to do. And, you know, I remember when I started with, and this has been 18 months ago when I started working with him. And I said to him, are you going to tell me what we're actually going to do today? You said no. Good answer. I told you what we weren't gonna do, you would probably just walk out the door.

Roy Barker 29:02

Yeah, when I would hear my god drive up, I'd look out the window and see what he was getting out of his truck that day that we're gonna have to go through. But yeah, it's important because it's the again, we're looking for that consistency, you know, taking smaller steps. And that's the great thing about asking the questions, finding out where I am in this journey, you know, am I overweight? And have I been active because then you can design something to start me out slow.

And I think one one thing you talked about with some of your clients that are especially that are aging, some is one of your assessments is like how many times can you get up and down out of a chair, which is impressive. Yeah. Because the you know, no matter what we're all at this. We've all got something especially the older we get, we all have something that may be a little bit quirky about us that, you know, maybe bad hip, bad arm or whatever, but that allows that kind of personalization of what we're going to do.

Jan 30:00

Yeah, I think actually, although, you know, you're talking about sort of, you know, if I were dealing with older people, which I tend to do, but remember now, people in their 20s 30s can be extremely overweight. Yeah. And they might as well be in their 60s or 70s. Because of their lack of mobility. That's the thing. You know,

Roy Barker 30:22

are you seeing a lot of that? Oh, yes, yes. Okay. You know, now that you mentioned it, I think I did read something not long ago about that. They, they're kind of worried about this being an epidemic of the younger people being overweight and then having the diabetes as well.

Jan 30:40

Well, this is what they're saying. Because you think about it, if you have a whole load of young younger people who are totally overweight, who, who are going to be our policemen, or firemen. Yeah, all these jobs that need you need to be physically fit to do and it really is really worrying, you know, when you think on it, because we've got, and it's the same boat in the States or Britain or wherever you are, two thirds of the population is overweight or obese. Wow. And that only means we've only got a third of the population that are what would be classed as healthy enough to do physical dopes? Yeah, yeah, we

Terry 31:21

need those youngsters to stay fit and in shape, so they take care of us. I mean, we need to be fit, we're gonna be so healthy, we'll be looking at that. Right, we're gonna have to do it ourselves.

Roy Barker 31:36

A great time in life. For me, because I grew up in the age of, you know, you went outside and you had a rock and a stick. And that was how you entertained yourself. Today, you know, we rode bicycles, we played football by you know, just like pickup games in the neighborhood. But it was constant activity. We didn't have a video game. I think in the end, my later years maybe Pong came out but it you know, we had little things that slid up and down. But you know that I got pretty old after a while. But, you know, swimming, we always had places to go hunting, fishing. I mean, goodness, we were just it was constant activity.

And then, you know, that's one thing that really hurt me when I got to, you know, be in my 20s settle down, start having a family and a job then, you know, all that went away. And that was kind of when I started adding a little bit of weight. But you know, the good news is now I've kind of transitioned that we have all this technology at our hands and we can talk about that a little bit but unfortunate some of the other thing was the freedom to be on Rome. Our parents didn't really have to worry if we were coming home sometimes they more were worried that we make found our way home,

Terry 32:48

which is by darn by the time the streetlights Come on. Just get home. Yeah, but you know, now finally now. I

Jan 32:55

mean, you're talking about you know, how it was before I took my two I've got a grandchild, I'm sorry, two grandsons. One is age two, one is age six. Oh, and what I did was, and a lot of their time is spent in front of screens. That's it. But I thought one afternoon, I thought no, we're going to go out. And I'm going to show them just as I did when I was a girl, how to make bows and arrows. Yeah. So we literally went out.

And we chose the sticks. And I brought the twine, and I had my my pen knife thing and all that sort of thing. And we made bows and arrows. And I tell you, we were walking back. And every person that we came across, my grandson would say we've just made our own toys, and it didn't cost us anything.

Terry 33:46

Oh, that's awesome.

Jan 33:47

Yeah, that was so that's bringing the true value of what it was when we were kids, you know, because we had to make our own entertainment. You know, that was it?

Roy Barker 33:56

Yeah. And, you know, just like us. You know, we even rode our bikes to and from school, or we walked, you know, there was usually a bunch of us, but you know, like my kids, they weren't allowed, you know, things that changed enough by then that they weren't allowed to just do that by themselves. Now, if I had a day off, and I could ride over there with him, then somebody would come pick, pick us up, you know, pick up the bikes, but, you know, the world has just changed so much that that.

So it's just not an option for a lot of kids, single parents, I have to work a lottery, families working a lot just to survive. And so and then, you know, we've got the digital screens to entertain them, you know, at that age, so I guess it could, I guess it really could be a big problem.

Jan 34:41

Mind you, when you talk about the 50s and the 60s, we had what we still have television, and they were worried about that, remember?

Terry 34:49

Yeah, yeah. Well, and we were there remote controls to we were an old time Yeah.

Roy Barker 34:58

Yeah. Yeah. So now we've made it That's how we got fit. So now we've made a screen that travels with the right. Price, right? Yes, yes. Well, um, so, I guess, one, let's talk about that instance for a minute is that, you know, so what do you suggest for somebody that is way, way out of shape? You know, maybe overweight? And maybe he hasn't been that active?

I mean, kind of how do you start them off, where you can, you know, not run them off, because you got, I guess that's a challenge that you have is that you have to set something up, to help them out where they're bettering themselves, but not overload them where they just give up?

Jan 35:42

Yeah, that's it. Again, it's all about starting small, you know, you'd say, I mean, again, it depends on how old the person is what how much weight they're carrying, because a lot of people might find walking three or four minutes is more than they can handle, you know. So basically, what you're saying is, you know, just get up out of your chair, just walk around the house, Tibet for as much as you can, that's the thing. It's all about getting moving.

That's it. Now, there'll be a lot of people who are more than fit enough to actually go and have a good half hour walk, you know, but they choose to sit on a couch all the day, you know, but it's the case of just let's just see how you can do it. Even if it's 10 minutes spurts, just get up and then once you start this as a habit, you are going to feel the benefits, and therefore you're going to keep wanting to do it. That's the thing.

Roy Barker 36:38

Yeah. So what was it?

Terry 36:40

I'm sorry, I was just gonna say, What do you have? Do you have something that you say to them, that makes them more confident that they can achieve their goals, their, their small habits, their larger habit? What would you do? Again, it

Jan 36:57

depends on who the person is. But, uh, you know, again, individual, that's the thing, you know, you know, so that's, you know, again, I don't have a cookie cutter answer for that, because I know, we don't deal with cookies.

Roy Barker 37:15

I shouldn't be dealing with them either. But every now and then I do.

Jan 37:20

Yeah, really, it is. It's really a case of motivating, encouraging, trying to persuade, if you like, you know, talking about you know, you will, it's probably sounds really hard, but you really give it a try. Let's see, you know, you really will feel the benefits, you

Terry 37:37

know, you'll be surprised at what you can achieve, you know, yeah, exactly. When things get out of their reach. And then they start doing

Jan 37:45

again, we're talking about the mindset because somebody is closes their mind off right away and says, No, I cannot do this. You know, you have to sort of say, You know what? I bet you I bet you could, you could?

Roy Barker 37:58

Yeah, yeah. And yeah, and they have to really believe that or, you know, it's like pushing an elephant up a set of stairs, if they don't, because they've got, you know, I'll speak for me, I have to buy into the process that this is good for me. And this is what I want before. I can take anybody else's advice or any direction from that. But one thing I was going to ask you is like, Why do people come to you?

Or what do you think, is the most reason that people tell you? Is it because I don't look good? In my dress clothes, or because my clothes are tight? Because I walked up the flight of stairs and had to stop and huff and puff before I could walk up the next slide. What do you see that most people tell you why they come to you?

Jan 38:44

Well, certainly, everybody who comes to me is because they're overweight in some, some shape or form. But do you know what it's the main thing is because they lack of energy, they don't have the energy to do anything. Yeah. And the thing is more junk food you eat, the more energy is sapped out of your system. And it's funny, a lot of people think that the more rubbish but just the more you eat, the more energy you'll have. totally opposite. totally opposite. And a lot of people think the more I move, the less energy I'll have. Again, it's a total reverse.

Roy Barker 39:22

Yeah, because there are days when, you know, I start dragging, and if we will get out and just go for a little 1015 minute walk. It just really seems to perk me up. I come back just a lot more energized and ready to sit down and get after it.

Jan 39:36

Yeah, it's a lot of things are it's totally counterintuitive. You know, you think the more physically active I am, the more exhausted I would become, can be off in the desert, you know, totally different. Or the more I the more energy I'm gonna have no opposite.

Roy Barker 39:52

Yeah, and we talked a lot about the balanced approach. And I used to have a sign hanging over my desk for a lot of years that I had. Of course, you know, eat rot. But sleep is huge. And sleep is something that I found is the biggest catalyst for me to go totally off the reservation that you got to get that sleep. Because when I wake up feeling a little bit like that, then it's like, you know, you do what you say you try to go eat for that quick pick me up, which, to me, it'll help me for about 1015, maybe even 30 minutes, but then you get that crash, you know, an hour or two later, you start losing it.

Whereas, you know, getting the sleep. And the other thing is water, I don't drink water, and then breathe in deep. I'm a shallow breather. So those are things that you know, we tried to do too, because getting that oxygen in is refreshing. And you know, I've had actually had people comment on that. If you're doing something well, yeah, I'll be like, one of them. The worst one was we were at a, we call those a painting paint, you know, they have the painting instructor at the front of the room. And yeah, painting and I'm sitting there painting.

And this lady walked by the instructor after she got us going, she walked by I said, It's okay, if you take a breath. And that, you know, obviously she could tell from wherever she was that I wasn't breathing. But if I do I find that, you know, not only the stress full, but concentration, if I'm really concentrating, you know, so you just need to make yourself stop. There's all these little things, I think that help us, we just have to

Jan 41:32

1. And this is interesting, because you're talking about increasing your amount of sleep, talking about breathing, these are things that cost us nothing. But we have to be more aware of what we're doing. And we have to be looking after ourselves. That's the thing. I mean, a lot of people they live very, very stressful lives. And of course, the thing is that the less sleep you have, the more stressed you're going to be. And you know, it's funny, because people will say, Well, I'm just going to fight on regardless, I'm just going to keep working, I'm going to keep working even though I'm really tired. But your productivity levels just absolutely love.

Terry 42:08

Oh, wait that way I was going back.

Roy Barker 42:11

I wish I could attend just doesn't work. Was that gonna turn Terry's headphones off right before you just had me we've just had this conversation over the last a few days a week or so like, Oh, my gosh,

Terry 42:26

repeat, repeat, repeat, rewind. But

Roy Barker 42:30

it's very important, you know, to try to wrap all these things together, they just because they're so interdependent. And, you know, we talk, we have another show the for kind of the aging and caregivers. And this is something that we talk about on there a lot is that self care, because you can't help anybody else, if you aren't at the top of your game.

And then it's like, it's like emergency responders, you know, the fire department, when when they go in to a dangerous situation like a drug lab or shooting, you know, they're always told, well, we need to make sure it's safe. Because if you go into a bad situation, now we've got to come find somebody to help save you. And it's kind of the same way in our health if we have to have we can't look after other people in our life, if we have to have somebody looking out after us.

Jan 43:19

Yeah, yeah, I think this is the thing that people as you know, we do tend to look after other people before we look after ourselves. And we really have to, you know, just sort of get a grip and say, No, you have to start looking after yourself. It's you that's responsible, you know, responsible for your own health. So and once you know that you're going to be healthy, then you can help other people.

Roy Barker 43:47

Yeah, kind of like the thing in the, the airplane to you know, put your mask on first before you start helping everybody else. And I think it's, it's very true in this in this health arena as well. You know, we have to, and we just want to live our best life and we can't live our best life if we're not feeling the best. And then, you know, one thing we've talked about before as well is that, you know, I'm get to this point, I worry about what am I gonna be like in 1020 years?

Because I think if you go into older age, not as healthy as you could be, you really set yourself up for some things to go bad. You know, yeah. And I don't think anybody wants to be, you know, a burden to your family or to your loved one that somebody has to take care of you so that I think that's really something that over the last two, three years that has really sparked me to take

Jan 44:44

this thing because it's not only life expectancy, it's healthy life expectancy. A lot of people are spending 20 sorry, a fifth of their lives being unhealthy, you know, they might live To be some in the 80s or whatever, but if you're talking about a fifth of your entire life just being unhealthy, yeah, that's not helping anybody. Yeah.

Terry 45:10

Yeah. No. And I think the ultimate goal? Well, I don't know, I think everybody's ultimate goal is to help each other I think, yeah. Especially family, for sure. But as a community, so we can all be successful and lift each other.

Roy Barker 45:24

Yeah, we started talking. And one of our things we talked about a little bit is not outliving your health. And that's unfortunate. So many times we do that, you know, it could be we have a good mind, but our body doesn't work. And you know, you think about that, what, what kind of a sentence is that? To have a mind that's well working, but you can't you don't have a body to get up and do things or, you know, vice versa. A lot of times now, the, you know, we well,

Jan 45:52

you know, I, it was a lady I'm speaking to and this was so sad the story because she had the, you know, been both The couple have both worked and all the rest of it. And they had this dream about when they retired, you know, they would go and buy a house in this. I don't know where it was, but they wanted to buy a house in this particular place. And they had enough money and they bought the house. Yeah. And of course, all they had all these plans, what they were going to do in their retirement. But in the meantime, they had actually put on so much weight. While they were working that yes, they managed to buy the house, but they could not do any of the things that they had planned to do now.

Terry 46:35

Yeah, that's, that's amazing. I mean, I would hate hate to be in that situation, but you just don't, you know, you got to think you have, like you said earlier, you have to be more self aware of what's going on. So

Roy Barker 46:50

you can address it. Yeah, and we challenge people to start earlier, because when you're in your 20s, and 30s, maybe even 40s, you don't think about it a lot, you know, you're you can, you can eat worse, and it not affect you as much. But then, you know, it's this compounding effect that we've talked a little bit about that, you know, all these bad habits start adding up. And then when you get to be a little bit older, it's hard to break these habits and make a switch.

And sometimes, already, you know, like the diabetes and things, sometimes we've already became ill or you have a disease that we can't turn around or you know, it has negatively affected us in some other way that we can't recover from that. So, you know, get started early think about these decisions, because they're going to live with you the rest of your life. Exactly. Yeah.

Terry 47:39

And tomorrow minute. I mean, tomorrow may never come Don't put it off. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sound like a commercial.

Jan 47:47

Well, the thing is that so many things nowadays, you know, whether it's diabetes, or heart disease, or whatever, a lot of it is, it's within our control. Yeah, if we can look after ourselves, you know, it's not like COVID or something like that, which you really cannot control, you know. So it's really our own lifestyle that makes what the quality of our life the end of the day.

Roy Barker 48:11

Yeah, I think go to a doctor and get checked out. Because just like myself, I just happened to find out that I was diabetic, and I wasn't that bad off. able to catch it soon enough. But it was an accident. I didn't think you know, wasn't feeling sick. And, you know, we had another guest. It's been quite a while. JOHN, I can't think I can't Alaska Cove Alaska, he he had a really poor diet. And he actually passed out, you know, at work from a diabetic coma, I guess and was taken to the hospital. And so anyway, just

Terry 48:43

don't even know he I mean, he had no idea that he had diabetes.

Roy Barker 48:47

I think his blood sugar was what in the four or five hundreds and anyway, yeah, it was something that he was able to catch and turn around. And but again, if you go to the doctor, find this stuff out in free screenings, you know, we're going to talk about that. We went to a free screening with something, but there's all kinds of things that you can do to try to find out where you are. So you can get yourself on a better course, if necessary, you can get

Terry 49:14

hold of Jan and talk to her about figure it out. Yeah, she's very motivational. Yeah, I can get you going. Well, speaking

Roy Barker 49:23

of that, we're gonna wrap Jan, do you have anything else that you want to add before we get away?

Jan 49:29

No, I it's been a pleasure being on the program. It's been great. Well, thanks. I mean, I think really, I think people just have to remember that it's really our responsibility for our own health, you know, and, you know, it's just trying to think of what you're doing, be more aware of what you're doing, and think of what the future is going to be. Do you want to have a healthy future or not? Yeah, that's really it, you know, and really start looking at yourself.

Roy Barker 50:00

Yeah. Alright. Jan, well, thanks a lot. Do you have a Is there a habit or a tool, something that you use in your daily life that really adds a lot of value that you think,

Jan 50:13

okay, I mean, certainly I always start my day off in a positive note, alright. That's why they call me the positively pink personal trainer. So really, what you want to do is, and my advice is achieve something every single day, it doesn't matter what it is, you know, clearing out a desk or clearing out a kitchen drawer. It doesn't have to be anything big, or even just making a decision to say, you know what, I'm going to start looking after myself. And you're going to say to yourself, Well, let's think of the solutions on how I can do that. Yeah,

Roy Barker 50:51

I love that we need to be nice to ourselves, too. Because just thinking to be kind, because I'm the worst. If I've got 10 things on my to do list, if I get seven done, I'll drag around being upset about these three. So you know, if you get up and you make these accomplishments, even if they're small, celebrate them. It's something that you've done, and you need to be happy, and it's motivating. I think it'll motivate Oh, yeah. Next thing?

Terry 51:17

Yeah, like that.

Roy Barker 51:18

Yeah. All right, Jen. So tell everybody who do you like to work with? How can you help them? And of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you?

Jan 51:25

Well, I really I specialize in older women over the age of 50. Certainly, because that's because I am somebody over 50 that I have a rapport with these people. So that's the people I tend to tend to work with. They are certainly people who are overweight. Yeah. And they need to get fitter. That's the important thing. Yeah.

So really, probably the best, the best way to get ahold of me is if you go to my website, Jan Malloch.com. And you can see what I've got to offer and whatnot. And then obviously, you can contact me via email, or go on to Google and look up Jan Malloch. And you'll find my Facebook, my LinkedIn, my Twitter, my all my different connections. So connect with them as they are.

Roy Barker 52:07

Yeah. Okay, awesome. And that the spelling of that last name is m a l l o c h. Yeah, and we will include all that in the show notes, but just in case you're having them road and pull over and want to jot that down. Get over now

Terry 52:24

Don't cry.

Roy Barker 52:26

All right, well, thanks so much. We appreciate our listeners as well. Again, this is gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Im Roy. of course you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com We're on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify for not only one that she listened to please reach out we'd love to get it added make it easier for you to listen to us every week.

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Embrace The Intuitive Energy Healing Powers All Around Us with Peyton Goldberg

The intuitive healing energy that constantly flows around us is absolutely amazing. Breathing, really intentional breathing is also a powerful influence on our bodies, minds, emotions, and souls. The arts of Reiki and Yoga take advantage of many natural ancient healing sources of energy and breathing. The practices have been around many years and proved themselves over time.

About Peyton

Peyton Goldberg is a Reiki Master/Master Teacher, a Professional Member of the International Center for Reiki Training, a Texas State Licensed Massage Therapist and a 500+ hr registered yoga teacher.

Peyton works with the subtle human energy fields and pathways to aid her clients in their innate ability to heal on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual levels. In addition to her Reiki and intuitive energy work offerings, Peyton provides holistic bodywork and meridian-based therapies including massage, cupping, acupressure and Auriculotherapy. When she's not working one-on-one with clients, Peyton is teaching (and practicing) yoga locally at The Studio in Fort Worth.

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reiki, people, energy, work, feel, yoga, day, started, reiki energy, practice, peyton, breathing, bit, body, reiki master, intuitive, mind, hands, training, clients

SPEAKERS

Terry, Peyton, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:08

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. This is Roy,

Terry 00:11

this is Terry.

Roy Barker 00:12

We are the podcast that's chronicling our journey through wellness. And, you know, as we talk a little bit about when we first started, we were kind of focused on diet, not a diet, but more or less what we're eating, exercise and just total balance with a lot of things. But we know we've really moved into the mindset realm because we've I think we found that no matter what route you seem to want to go, if you don't get your mindset, right, it's not going to be sustainable, and you probably won't have much success, you know, in the long run. So anyway, you know, on Tuesdays, we have our guests professionals in the field and then on Thursday, we have our little catch up with what's going on with us and we've kind of had a diabetic or diabetes focused the last few weeks just trying to struggle with that. So we're just trying to put some information out there not only get me back on track, but to help others as well. So but today, we have an awesome guest with us and Carrie I'm gonna let you introduce Payton,

Terry 01:15

Peyton Goldberg. She works with the subtle human energy fields and pathways to aid her clients in their innate ability to heal on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual levels. In addition to her Reiki and intuitive energy work offerings, Peyton provides holistic bodywork and meridian based therapies including massage, cupping, acupressure, and ayurveda. feel you're gonna have to say that one. Therapy when she's not working one on one with clients payment is teaching and practicing yoga. locally at the studio in Fort Worth. She is a Reiki Master Master Teacher, a professional member of International Center for Reiki training, a Texas state licensed massage therapist and has 500 plus hours of registered yoga teacher teaching. Peyton, welcome to the show. We're happy to have you today. Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

Roy Barker 02:16

Yeah, we have a little bit of personal experience. Terry, I'll let you explain all.

Terry 02:21

I have known Peyton, she she and my daughter went to high school and graduated together. And they were they were two peas in a pod. And so I know her many ways. This, this is so cool to see where you have evolved to and how you got there. So let's talk a little bit about that. And how you found yourself in this position of training, Reiki and doing yoga and all that.

Peyton 02:58

Yeah, so it was kind of a roundabout path to get here. If you ask me 20 years ago, if I'd be doing this, I probably not believe you but me Are you about to say I'm sure you like yes. But how really all this came into my life. I mean, even as a child, I think I was always very interested in things that I deemed as magical. And you know, this may be the closest thing to magic we have in real life. And so, I was always interested in the far out and the esoteric and just, you know, the big questions of life, like why are we here? How does everything work and whatnot. And I think some of that curiosity had made me more open minded for the path that eventually came. But when I was in college, and just randomly out of nowhere, going into my sophomore year, I was super depressed, it came out of nowhere. just miserable kind of lost any will to live just very soon as suicidal, so anxious that I can barely leave my apartment. I was just really really miserable self medicating with drugs, alcohol, food, you name it. Just really truly my rock bottom I was prescribed a plethora of medications and kind of kind of went through the wringer with Western medicine and pharmaceutical culture. And just here's a pill for this. Here's a pill for that. And a symptom came with a pill. Here's another one and I was just a zombie for probably three years and just completely numb. My mom was super concerned and had I been closer to home. I went to school in Mississippi, she probably would have been a lot more concerned but that space probably didn't make it exactly as real as it was. But she was desperate looking for alternative ways to help me. She kind of stumbled upon upon Reiki energy medicine, vibrational medicine, law of attraction, all that kind of stuff and something clicked on. And I was able to just start utilizing these tools in my life then and it's just evolved from there. But I've been able to, you know, come off of all medications and get myself in a good place. Yeah, just a complete one at truly. And now I started offering it to other people, because if I could do it, anybody can,

Terry 05:23

you know, go ahead.

Roy Barker 05:25

No, I just said, that's, that's a great story. And I think that, you know, coming from a place of using it in the help that it gave you, then I think that even probably makes you a much better practitioner when you're trying to help other people.

Peyton 05:39

Yeah, I can really empathize. I've been there. I mean, I've felt horrible. And I know what it's like to feel that way. Yeah.

Terry 05:46

Yeah. And and have drugs thrown at you. I mean, I think so many people find themselves in that situation. And it's like, Okay, well, that one didn't work. Let me have another one. Well, that one doesn't work. Well, maybe you're you've got anxiety, maybe you know, all these other symptoms, from taking the medications come up. And it's just right. It's crazy. Totally.

Peyton 06:07

You know, not to say that medicine is not necessary in all cases, but there are just so many tools we have at our disposal to feel better without just masking symptoms. So to say.

Terry 06:20

Yeah, and, I mean, finding the root cause 100% and really going to help you become, you know, as close to 100% as you can possibly get. So true.

Roy Barker 06:33

No, and what I was going to be clear about here is that we we did not do the yoga or the other but we went through the

Terry 06:42

say at the Reiki Oh, no. I like when he says, Yeah, I want to hear it. Come on, Roy.

Roy Barker 06:50

Yo, yo, yo,

Peyton 06:51

said, how you say that? Okay, I hear people say it all different ways.

Roy Barker 06:56

She just laughs at me every time I have to say I love it. Like

Terry 07:00

he said the Ricky. I'm like,

07:03

I forgot about her. But Ricky so I guess if you don't mind?

Roy Barker 07:07

Can we just start kind of at the beginning to maybe. Cuz I mean, I'm I feel like I'm pretty progressive, but I've never heard of this before. And so maybe we could just kind of explain what the concept is to those that may not know what it is.

Peyton 07:25

Sure, absolutely. So Reiki is a light touch hands on energy healing technique originated in Japan. But a lot of people believe you know, this kind of laying on it while it did laying on hands energy work, you know, way predates any, or the Reiki system of healing, essentially. But basically, it works by getting the body into a parasympathetic state, which is the branch of our nervous system, which is our rest digest, where we can truly heal you know, the body is an incredible machine and given the right environment, we can heal ourselves. I truly believe that we are yet to tap into our full potential as humans and there's a lot we can do to heal on all levels, physical, mental, spiritual, and otherwise, basically, you know, we are all energetic beings, we are electric beings. And the energy is generated by the hands of the person attuned to Reiki and it gives off, I have articles of science behind it giving off the electric energy, electromagnetic energy, which a lot of Western medicine devices rely on now, for regenerating bones bringing organs up to healthy basically their their ideal healthy vibration, same idea with the hands of the energy healers. The hands create the vibration and through physical property or principles of resonance entrainment, it can bring the lower vibration or off energy up to an energy that is more primed for healing or the ideal vibration. So to say,

Terry 09:10

no, oh, go ahead.

Peyton 09:12

Oh, no, as I say, that's just my Reiki in a nutshell. But there's, there's a lot that will still learn a lot of people feel like, Oh, it's a placebo effect. But now we're starting to see more and more research that that's not the case, there is a measurable energy coming from the hands. And, you know, it's really neat. And I think we'll be seeing more and more of that as we move into the future.

Terry 09:36

So, so I know that you've had tons of training and everything, but also also has intuition has to do with it. I mean, do you feel like people are kind of chosen to do that to succeed at this energy? And

Peyton 09:53

yes, and no, I mean, intuition is definitely important when I'm working one on one with clients, but we're For everybody, even if you have no interest in working with clients or, you know, working one on one with people, I truly believe that this is a skill that everyone can't Well, they can for 100% learn it. And they should it's, you can use it. You know, when you're cooking, when you're reading, driving and traffic, calming anxiety. I mean, the list goes on and on and on, you can give it to your pets, your family yourself. Yeah, so if you I think being intuitive, and empathetic sure, that helps build rapport and, you know, can kind of feel what your client is feeling. And that's helpful. But outside of the practitioner level, it's for everybody, and everybody can be successful with it.

Terry 10:47

So can so can you walk us through what somebody would mean, if they came to you for a session? What just kind of a little bare bones of what's going on?

Peyton 10:59

Yeah, so every Reiki practitioner has their own different flair. And I think that's what's so cool about it. But typically, how a session would start with me is what have you come in and let you share with me what you want to share. If you some people come for a specific issue, you know, stress or physical ailment or an injury, we're trying to, you know, speed up the healing time on, but some people just come, you know, as we are energetic beings, and a lot of us are empathetic and spongy, you can feel when your energy is off, or when you're ungrounded. And just kind of, I call it an energetic tune up. So I'll check in and see what is going on what your goal is. And then after we chat a little bit, I'll get you on the table. It's fully closed. It's not a massage, a lot of people believe it or get confused and think it is massage. But it's not, it's just a gentle laying on of hands or hovering of hands, some gentle movements over the body. And it starts, I always like to start with three deep breaths, I'm a yoga teacher. So breath is important to me, helps get people in the zone, as long as there's no allergies, I like to use some essential oils, aromatically, just to kind of get the body into that state, and then starting at the head, eventually moving down to the feet. I'll start by scanning the body kind of feeling, feeling what I feel, essentially. And then I take an intuitive approach. So there are some Reiki practitioners who use the traditional hand sets, which you know, have been taught to anybody who studied Reiki but my Reiki Master, who taught me really encouraged us to use intuition and just kind of go, we're guided, so gentle, laying on of hands, and, and then I'll finish off at the feet, sometimes in Palo Santo, or instance, at the end. And then I like to use crystals and play with tuning forks. So there's a lot of things I incorporate just as, as guided basis. Go ahead.

Roy Barker 12:57

No, I'm just gonna say, you know, I'm gonna probably be a little vulnerable and share my experience, because it was fascinating to me, a couple, I mean, a lot of, you can kind of walk through it. But the first thing, while I love the incense and the music, and so we've started incorporating the music into our meditation time, which to me is very important. And I just, I don't know, there's something about the music that just really takes you away and lets you concentrate on nothing, you know, concentrate on yourself, your breathing, but I love that. So you started at my head, and you and my eyes were closed. So you can kind of guide me if I was wrong, but it's like you held an open palm over my forehead. Yep. And I will tell you the heat that came from that was not and I have to go back and let's let's kind of set the stage is that that Tuesday, I came on a Thursday night, the Tuesday prior to that I had a pretty rough day. Thursday, I had, you know, kind of like the Tuesday was the one two punch. And then Thursday was like the knockout. And I was just like, I mean, I was in such a place. And I'm like, I don't, you know, don't even really want to go, but I knew that I probably needed to go now more than ever. So I'll just say it was a bad couple of days. And anyway, the heat. I was just amazed at that. How I could feel it. I don't know. Could you feel it as much as I did?

Peyton 14:26

Oh, yeah. Reiki hands get really hot. A lot of people are surprised by that. But you know, heat is just a form of energy. And so sometimes it's hotter than others. Some parts of the body are hotter than others. So every time is a little bit different, but that is very normal. Yes.

Roy Barker 14:43

So then the other thing that was surprising is when you started working around me. I've had shoulder issues for you know, probably about the last 10 or 15 years. And, you know, some days hurts more than others. But it's funny because you went right to that show. holder, very first thing, which I just thought, you know, that was just a good example, I guess of the intuitiveness or however that you, you know, kind of work around that. Now, I don't know if that is that something that you could feel? Or were you just kind of led to go that direction?

Peyton 15:19

Sometimes it's both the information kind of just comes how it comes for a long time, I doubted that and we'd be like, I'm sure if it's just my mind. But time and time again, I have people tell me similar things to you that, Oh, well, you went to that knee and you know, that knees been bothering me or something like that. And yeah, so I don't really know how it comes through. Occasionally, I can feel it on my body. But most of the time, it's just like this. Like, what I consider a download of just knowing. And I think it's God telling me where to go personally. But everybody probably feels a little different. Who's a practitioner?

Roy Barker 15:57

Yeah. So the The other thing, I think, probably the biggest awakening from this to me was, you know, of course, I'd had this by a day. And at some point, I don't even remember at what point during this process, I mean, almost went into like, a catatonic state. I wasn't, I felt like you know, how you do when you're going to sleep. But you're still a little bit conscious of everything. But yet you're, you know, you're kind of having these weird dreams and weird thoughts. And so, you know, that's where I went to. And then it was like, all this energy rushed up from my legs in my stomach up into my chest. And it was like, my chest swelled up. And then, man, I remember it vividly. It was like, three words that kept coming to me were strength, wisdom, and patience, which is exactly what I needed at that point. But it was very, it was a kind of a surreal experience. When that all that started happening.

Peyton 17:01

Yeah, I remember you sharing about your experience. And it's always cool to hear about what comes up for people. What you described, I like to refer to as the Reiki coma, which, you know, maybe it's not the best, that's just what I call it, because that's what it feels like, even if you're having thoughts. The body is so relaxed. And yeah, it's just really interesting. And that's that parasympathetic shifts that that inner that this energy, this universal, lifeforce energy helps people get into and when you're in that state and kind of receptive, that's when those downloads of information that your higher self, I believe wants you to hear can be heard.

Roy Barker 17:42

Yeah. It's funny that the whole chest swelling, I took that to be like, confidence, like, you know, stand up, be strong, be firm. Just funny how it all work together.

Terry 17:55

I remember you came home and said, Oh, my God, I just felt like Superman. I just yeah. Yeah, yep. Right there.

Roy Barker 18:02

Yeah, exactly. And, you know, some of that, I think, is the strength part, too, you know, don't be the I took it like this, don't be a wilting flower is tough, but you got to stand up and be firm. And you know, you can still be empathetic and be nice, and be firm and stand up for yourself as well. And that's kind of where it took me through that. And then, but anyway, so that was all really awesome. And then I think the last thing that you talked about was intent. I can't remember which way it goes. If you were pulling energy down into my legs are pushing it up, but it was something about something about that.

Peyton 18:42

Yeah, I would have to go back and look at my notes from this session. But a lot of times, people either one way or the other, spend a lot more energy in the upper chakras. And if that's the case, and we pull some of the energy down and just ground them. Reiki can get you into that floaty state. So I always like to end with grounding. So if I had to bet I thought we were kind of pulling some of that energy down just kind of anchoring you back into the physical here and now space because it can be a little floaty. Yeah.

Terry 19:13

Do you remember which, Roy, do you remember which chakra he said that?

Roy Barker 19:19

Well, now that she mentioned it, I think that's what the deal was. I think I had everything up in my chest and stomach and I think she was pulling it down for the grounding but also something about the maybe the legs and traveling on a trip but just you know, the movement.

Peyton 19:35

I felt like I feel like I'm remembering something about your knees. Now granted, this was a little bit ago. So you know, memories not the best but I feel I definitely remember something with your legs. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, cuz

Terry 19:48

I remember when I remember when I came back, the throat chakra Of course. That's That's the one. explain about that. Yeah. So they're just the throat chakra shoppers in general, well, maybe just kind of the throat chakra, for sure. And then maybe just kind of a general, that's where you

Peyton 20:11

just like the highlight reel of what chakras are basically their energy centers of the body. Typically, when people reference them, they're talking about the seven major chakras that are aligned up from the base of the spine to the crown of the head. But there are also many other chakras, minor ones throughout the body and off the body in the auric. Field, the throat one in particular, it has a lot to do with boundaries, self expression, creativity, speaking our truth, speaking our true feelings and our emotions. So it's related to a lot of that kind of stuff. But you know, no, shocker is an island they are all interconnected. And yeah, so in the end, they ebb and flow. So if you have throat issues, that doesn't mean that the throats always gonna have stagnation or blockages. Energy is always moving. And same with same with us as energy beings. Right?

Terry 21:15

Oh, man. You know, I was going to ask you, have you opened this might digress a little bit. But at so can you recall, what was the strangest session that you've ever been involved in? Oh, gosh. I mean, just you in general, or with a client?

Peyton 21:36

Well, I've had some crazy energy work experiences me as the client and person on the table, which were pretty astounding, some people's intuitive skills are just incredible. I've a healer that I had gone to in the past. She's a very strong, medium, and psychic. And some of the things she could pick up on were incredible. This was right after my great grandmother died probably five or six years ago, and she was able to send her in the room with me. And that was pretty cool. I don't I mean, I guess I haven't had anything too weird happen. So I guess, you know, some people's experiences are weirder than others. But weird is subjective. And I just say that, for lack of a better word. They're all good. I mean, not weird in a bad way. But just you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I guess the level that I feel on my body when I'm working on certain people is interesting. Sometimes Sometimes I'll get so hot that like, my back is sweating, I get a sweat moustache, I can feel like the crown of my head just dripping. And usually That to me is indicative of this is some energy that we need to clear. And put that up. I mean, how do you take all of that from what you know from a session and not put it in, you do it on yourself. That's the beautiful thing about Reiki energy is it can do no harm. So there's tons of different forms of energy work. But energy or Reiki comes straight from God. So it's not my energy, I'm not channeling my own energy. And I'm just simply opening up and letting this energy flow through me into the person plants or thing I'm working on. And so No, I do not absorb anything. And I don't have to even really do much to you know, make sure that doesn't happen, of course, I mean, I wear some crystals on me. And I do give myself Reiki and I always ground myself and clear my energy after a session. But that's what sets Reiki apart from other styles of energy work, because it is not my energy, I am just a channel for it. That's, that's the beauty of Reiki, when people are working from their own energy, that's when things can get complicated and pick up things you don't want and vice versa. Have that exchange, you know, passing the practice practitioner stuff on to a client as well.

Roy Barker 24:08

Yeah, I was just interested. I mean, you kind of mentioned that you get a little bit hot and sweaty sometimes, but what are other feelings that you get, you know, when you're working on an end? Do you go into that? That Reiki coma as well? Or do you stay and that sounds kind of odd to be like that, I don't know if you can go into that.

Peyton 24:31

Yeah, I'm definitely in a very meditative state. So and the cool thing about giving Reiki is you get it while you give it so even times like you described me were like, I kind of don't want to go to the session. Even if I feel that way after I'm like, oh, man, I feel so much better. So I give his or I receive as I give. I feel oftentimes I feel tingling. I feel kind of buzzing pulsation, I always get this weird sensation in one of my bottom teeth. Like, it's really weird and I don't know what it means I have no I literally have no idea but sometimes when the Reiki is really flowing, I get this sensation in my second tooth over. And it's it's strange.

Terry 25:14

That's strange.

Peyton 25:15

Yeah, I know. I wish someone could tell me more about that. Because I'm not so sure. But um, that's, that's a weird thing I feel sometimes. And then I see I see things, I see colors. I see colors most often working on different parts of the body. And that's become kind of common for me, but heat tingles, pulsation, and then that to thing are some of my most common sensations.

Roy Barker 25:46

Do you? Do you keep your eyes open? Or do you close your eyes?

Peyton 25:50

I'm close, probably 90% of the time. When I'm transitioning to a new body part I opened my eyes that I'm less distracted and can stay in the zone better with my eyes, for sure.

Roy Barker 26:03

Because like me, you know, my first time and I think you have to the one thing I guess I would preface all of this by saying is you have to go with an open mind. Because for sure, I'm assuming that if all you're going to do is prove somebody wrong, you will be able to prove them wrong because you are, you know, found the person is in control with their mind. So you have in like myself, I went in with a very open mind. But when once I got on the table, I just close my eyes and really tried to focus on breathing. So I was kind of meditative state. Not only calming down from the day, from the day, but also put myself in a better place to, I guess help you help me.

Peyton 26:49

Right in I tell you I even people that are super, super skeptical after having a Reiki experience, like they get it afterward. Like it took my dad five years of begging him to try it like giving him giving him sessions for his birthday and Father's Day and Christmas and every single opportunity and he's very, like, type a logical very, like I need proof. But anyway, now he sees me almost every month for a Reiki session. So I granted most people that come and see me are pretty open minded. I don't if you're if you find me you you're probably a little more spiritual minded. But yeah, even people in my experience who have been rather skeptical, like once they feel it, they get it.

Roy Barker 27:44

So what do you feel like afterwards because when I came home, I was just totally drained. I had no energy. And it wasn't a bad thing. But it was like my mind. My mind had been cleared and reset. And then of course, I just felt that little draining feeling in my body as well.

Peyton 28:02

Right? People feel a number of different ways, kind of depending on what got cleared what needed to happen in the session. Some people feel like amped up and feel kind of riding high on the Reiki waves and then some people also feel really tired, lethargic, really thirsty energy word can be sneaky dehydrating. So it's always good to really rehydrate. I always feel pretty good. I mean, at the end of the day, if I have a bunch of Reiki sessions, I'll be tired for sure. But it gets me lifted. It feels. Yeah, I love working with it. Now massage, on the other hand makes me pretty tired. But

Terry 28:43

like that, I mean, I felt like I had just had a massage but not mean I didn't want to go to sleep. But I right. I felt very relaxed and very rested.

Peyton 28:54

Yes, you're just kind of in a very peaceful state. Most people are when they leave for sure. Yeah.

Roy Barker 29:01

The other thing for people that may not live worse, if they live in the Fort Worth Dallas area, they need to check anybody else out, they just need to come see you. Let's just say if somebody is living somewhere else, how how would you choose the right person? Because it's kind of I guess there's got to be some kind of connection as well. Correct?

Peyton 29:23

Yeah, I think that that's really important. For any like one on one connection, whether you're working with a doctor, chiropractor, whatever it is, you want to feel an energetic resonance with that person. So a lot of time, you know, hopefully you can get a referral from someone but if not, it may just be a little trial and trial and error going in meeting with them and it's always good to see if they'd be willing to like chat with you before the session just so you can get a feel. Because Yeah, I definitely think that's important.

Terry 29:57

I'm sorry, yeah, and uranium are they looking for Yeah, so

Peyton 30:01

I mean, there are so many different Reiki schools, lineages, traditions. So I would make sure that someone actually is certified because Reiki is not something you can learn out of a book or learn on YouTube. You can, you know, repeat the steps, but you're not getting plugged into that same true energy and you're falling more in the category of self energy work versus channeling that Reiki energy. So you want to have trained from a real Reiki Master Teacher, you want to have someone who has received the attunements. And how I explained the attunements. It's basically like, think of yourself as a radio. And sure, you can get white noise, you can get that static. But once you turn the dial and land on a station, that's when the good stuff comes through. So kind of the same with Reiki, when you go through your training, you are given a two minutes basically connecting you with Reiki energy for life. And once you're dialed in, you can channel that directly without any ego or you know, personal stuff getting in the mix, if that makes sense. Yeah, so those are things those are things I would look for the International Center of Reiki training website. ict.org, is where I found my Reiki Master back in the day, because I wanted something that was vetted, and I wanted to make sure I was learning from someone who knew what they what they were doing, for sure. But there's, there's that's not the only one. So I mean, just a little research due diligence, make sure they have credentials, and yeah, and then just your vibe, I mean, you want to make sure you can connect with somebody. So chat with them go see, um, you know,

Terry 31:54

yeah,

Roy Barker 31:55

I think Terry talked a little bit about this, but this more in depth. So even if there's somebody that says, I really am into I'm a, I guess I'm I enjoy getting the Reiki. And so now I want to be one I want to help others. But is there kind of like a, the intuitive part like some people just have it and then some people can work and work and work and never get dialed in? Or is it something that with practice, you can finally get yourself there?

Peyton 32:26

I think everybody is innately very, very intuitive, and connected with an inner knowing is just through all of our conditioning and you know, brainwashing through society. And you know, the education system. Don't get me started. But, you know, I think we've become out of touch with that. And I think that there's a lot of agendas that have, you know, separated us from this innate knowing connection with source connection with our higher selves. But I do believe everybody is intuitive. People just don't realize they are. But yeah, like everything it's a practice is just, the more you use Reiki, the more it gets, works on you and through you, the more your energy shifts, he I mean, you will, for me, it was just the most transformational thing to invite into my life. I from where I was, when I first did my first Reiki class, to where I am now I just don't even recognize that person. So I think you do. The more you connect with that energy, the more you you'll see changes for sure. So I do think intuition can be developed deeper, but it's always there if that makes sense. Yeah,

Roy Barker 33:37

yeah. You can kind of it's all its underlying. Use it for good. Yes. Yes, definitely.

Terry 33:45

Peyton How many? How many years? Have you been doing it? Um,

Peyton 33:50

so yeah, I've been doing working with people one on one since 2017. And then I've been doing it full time since last year. I always kind of just did it kind of had like a day job and did Reiki on the side. Along with teaching. I always taught yoga too. But yeah, so for four or five going on for five years now. Yeah. And then I started teaching teaching Reiki this last year. So that's a newer endeavor, but I knew from my first Reiki level one training that I took as a student, I knew that was something I wanted to do at some point because the world needs more Reiki practitioners.

Terry 34:36

Have you gone or have you gone to get training?

Peyton 34:40

So the woman I trained under my Reiki Master, her name is Karen Harrison, and she's based out of Missouri, Kansas City, and she travels around to some of the neighboring states. I think she does trainings in Texas, maybe Arkansas and a couple other ones and Anyway, she she was coming to Dallas and I found her and looked at her website and even just looking through someone's website, you can kind of tell if there is a resonance, you know, like, you know, anyways, I felt I felt good about her and I just took that leap. And I trained with her all the way through level one level two advanced Reiki training Reiki Master. Yep. So she I always caught her when she came through to Dallas.

Roy Barker 35:24

Is it a group training or individual one on one?

Peyton 35:27

Yeah, so you can catch them both ways. Some teachers offer one on ones. But most of time, it's in small groups. Usually the groups aren't anything crazy big. Because you know, as the teacher, you want to be able to give everybody good attention and answer all the questions. And when the group is too big, it's kind of hard to make it a special experience for everybody.

Terry 35:48

And how did how, how did lockdown affect you? Because, you know, it's a hands on thing. So how do it through? Through? Oh,

Peyton 35:57

yeah, well, you can do energy work distant, you know, energy transcends time and space. So when you look at quantum entanglement, you know, we are all interconnected on the most basic levels. So energy can get anywhere very quickly. And a lot of that through intention. So, distance is a thing. I never stopped. I could, I felt that it was really important to continue seeing people then more than ever, and I, I wasn't particularly afraid. I felt protected. I felt, I felt that it was part of my purpose to continue seeing people and helping them through this time. Because as you know, we all know, mentally, physically, emotionally, this was heavy in, in my mind, this was the most important time to keep up with yourself in those in those realms. Yeah, if we had, unless you have anything else, Terry, can we transition to yoga for just a minute?

Terry 36:58

Yeah, of course. Yeah. I love yoga.

Roy Barker 37:02

No, I just, you know, I think that, to me, I think all this is related. And I think yoga, but I'm assuming I got I'll put this as a question that it's a pretty good sister to the Reiki. Is that correct?

Peyton 37:15

Oh, yes. 100%. Um, I actually did my yoga training, because I wrote my first teacher training because I thought it would be a good tool to use with my Reiki clients, I wanted to be able to give them some physical movements and postures to help the flow of energy. Because Yoga is just an excellent tool, the mind and body are so intrinsically connected in, we have lost that connection. And there's so much wisdom from the body. And when we can reestablish and rewire to really feel again. Yeah, and yoga is one of the most successful ways to start that rewiring.

Roy Barker 37:59

The one thing that I've done it a little bit off and on over the years, but the one thing I kind of get out of it is the breathing. And I don't know that we know that. The layman understands how important breathing is to us. For you know, stress for a lot of things, you know, make, you know, when you get put in that position, you know, there's some but some people say like, step back, take three deep breaths. And then there's people like me that are very shallow breathers, typically, and I mean, to the point of other people have noticed, and you know, I've told this a few times, I used to be in a martial arts and, you know, I would have my Sensei, he, when he would be walking by, he'd be like, take a breath. It's alright, fall out here. And it's also happened in a painting class, you know, the lady was doing her thing. And I guess I was all I wasn't tense, but just concentrating and not breathing. And so anyway, after a couple instances like that, I hung on sign over my desk. And that was one thing I wrote on it was breathe. And people would always laugh and say, you got to tell yourself to breathe. No, but to deep those deep breaths that help us

Peyton 39:09

to breathe correctly. And that's the thing you know, probably I would say, 98% of people day today, do not breathe correctly, whether it's shallow or through the mouth, or whatever the problem may be. We're just swallowing air essentially. breath is so important, because breath regulates all the systems of the body. It's our major form of detoxification. Really, it is the key to everything when you can breathe properly. I personally believe very little disease can exist. Yeah, and pranayama or breath work is an ancient practice. You know, cultures, from the beginning of time have been practicing different breathing tricks, techniques, navy seals, practice it to stay calm. So there really is something to it, and yeah, it's been one of the best things for me personally to have the yoga practice because I was very asthmatic growing up, I had a chronic pneumonia. You were hospitalized for it, you know, more times than I can count on a hand. And ever since I really started practicing yoga, no issues with that anymore. No anxiety, or I mean occasionally, like with situational things, like the first day of doing something, whatever, a little jitter. But night and day, it just so much healing came from just learning to breathe better. And being mindful of it. I mean, we're not going to breathe perfect all the time that you catch it kind of like your sign. So that's, that's important.

Roy Barker 40:41

Yeah. And just a message to those that feel, you know, sometimes we see people on TV that do yoga, and they do the crazy stuff. And we're like, oh, my gosh, I could never do stuff. But you know, I think the message and I'll let you expound on it is that there are modifications to all movies. And so there is something for everybody in the yoga realm.

Peyton 41:05

True. And I mean, more than anything else, people people do associate, you know, the Instagram yoga aesthetic, like someone has a foot over here behind their head or whatever. And, you know, that's cool. It's, you know, mind body connection. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with doing handstands or anything. But truly Yoga is paying attention in breathing. And there's a whole I mean, true, like yoga is more of a practice of a lifestyle. You know, I can recommend several good books about the yamas and niyamas. And, yeah, it's really just adopting a lifestyle, all the kind of postures came later on, and that a lot of that has become very westernized. But true yoga, I always tell new students because it is intimidating coming to a yoga class. I was too. I was an at home Yogi for a long time. I was scared to go to a class. But if you were paying attention in trying your best to you know, just notice breathing, and breathe a little slower, a little more purposeful. You are doing amazing yoga. That's the most important thing to remember. Even if you can't get out of a chair or bend over. It doesn't matter who you you can still do amazing yoga.

Terry 42:19

Yeah. And I felt I mean, that's that's kind of meat. You were just speaking to me because I stayed away from it thinking that I couldn't do everything due to contortionist moves or whatever. And totally, you know, you can't just put something into a box and not go go there. And you've got to be curious. You have to be curious. You can do it. Anybody can do it. I said that you're gonna hold me to it. Yeah,

Peyton 42:43

I know I am. I'm gonna make you come. But that's the thing too. And you also just got to find a studio that really vibes with you. Not all studios are the same. And you'll find the one that resonates with you teaching style that resonates with you. And yeah, I think sometimes you just gotta gotta shop around and experience some, but I will say the studio it job, which is called the studio, it's here in Fort Worth, not far from kind of main South Side area, it's over on Jennings. We are all very mindful teachers and try to accommodate everyone. We offer modifications, we often tell people, you know, feel free to ignore us, we really are big advocates of you listening to your body and doing what serves you because at the end of the day, we all may be in the same ish shape, but it is a completely different feeling and experience. So you know, that's it. And we were all really big proponents of that.

Roy Barker 43:39

I think the other thing is that yoga people are using very chill and encouraging that you got to remember, you're not going to middle school gym where you're gonna be taunted or made fun of or, you know, get away or anything like that.

Terry 43:55

Yeah. Yeah, give you

Peyton 44:00

know, um, and I totally get that no, everybody, I it was my biggest fear going to studio that like, oh, people are gonna be watching me and I'm gonna be messing up. But as soon as you go to one class, you realize no one is paying attention to you. Everybody is in the zone on their mat. And that is one of my favorite things about going to the practice. It's just an hour for me, I can just tune out of my day, whatever kind of day I had drop into my body, my sensations, my breath, and not think about anything for an hour.

Roy Barker 44:32

Yeah. And then, I think kind of going hand in hand with this. And I know we're running a little bit long. But the meditation and again, there's things that we can do and I guess we started meditating in conjunction with this, but you know, you see the, the statues and the kind of caricature is on the cartoons about the people you know, they sit and hold their hands out like this. Which when I first started, you know, I was like, I'm not doing the stereotype, I'm just, you know, you're gonna soak it all in. But it's, it's strange because right around them. When I came to see you, I think it was a little after that I started doing that, because I actually felt like it was a way to receive, you know, good, the good energy is to bring that in and kind of like, I hate to say but like a, like an antenna where you can capture that.

Peyton 45:29

Totally, I mean, the different hand motions are called mudras. And they are a part of, you know, ancient yogic teachings. And that is exactly what they are. They're supposed to align you with different energies, whether it's something invigorating, something calming, you know, different elements, what have you. But yeah, I think the most important thing for people to remember with meditation is that you can't turn the mind off, the mind thinks like the heartbeats. The point is not to clear your mind. The point is to not follow those thoughts down the rabbit hole. So I had a teacher tell me once before that, even if you have to bring yourself back into the present moment, a million times, just do that compassionately. That is what it's about, it's not about, you know, or even just like, a minute of mindfulness sitting there can be more profound than 30 minutes, you know, it doesn't have to be this laboris thing that kind of is a pain in the ass to even want to take on, you know, yeah, many, many moments of mindfulness,

Roy Barker 46:32

I typically do about 10 minutes, which is easy. You know, I was having this discussion with a guy the other day. And he was just saying, like, I can't get my mind to stop. And I'm like, but that's the point is you're working on it. And I said, like me, there are days that I'm all over the place, and, but I stick with it. Because on average, I can finally work myself into, and I just, I've tried to focus on my breathing, you know, and that's also a time for me to, to have my gratitude to do all the things that I'm thankful for all the things that, you know, I think Terry read this somewhere about asking for things to come in our life, instead of instead of looking at your neighbor and say, Oh, they got a new car, why don't I have one? It's like, sir, you say what?

Terry 47:19

Praise? You praise them? Just, you know, Oh, I'm so thankful that they've gotten that maybe show me some of that. Please, may I have some of that, hey, there's so much abundance in this world, that there's enough for everybody.

Peyton 47:35

And a mindset of not thinking in terms of lack in thinking or in terms of gratitude is super powerful. So

Roy Barker 47:44

yeah, I'm right there with you. To kind of goes with you know, staying in our own lane, we, you know, kind of like we talked about the yoga. Other people really aren't paying attention to us in life, we need to stay in our own lane, do our own thing on our own race, however you wanna say it's,

Peyton 48:00

yeah, all we can do is work on ourselves. Unfortunately, we can't change people. So

Roy Barker 48:04

you know. Yeah. And there's a couple things that you know, those that, what is it those that care don't mind and those that mind, don't care, something, something like that. So, it's always good just to focus on ourselves what we can do. And, again, I it's a fine line, we can't criticize and be beat ourselves up. But you know, my position is that, even if I have a good day, or am a good, do good today, you can always do better, you know, and try to strive to just be something a little bit better every day, they'll small steps over time. Add a huge,

Peyton 48:40

totally just singing competition with yourself only.

Terry 48:43

Yeah.

Roy Barker 48:46

Well, well. Like I said, I know we're running late. So Terry, unless you've got anything else. We'll try to wrap this up real quick. Yeah, either one of y'all have anything else that you want to know.

Peyton 48:56

Thank you for inviting me onto your podcast. This

Terry 48:58

is nice to finally oh my gosh, it took like,

Roy Barker 49:03

yeah, so tell us dessert? Well, I mean, you've got a lot like Jason and the yoga and but is there something else that you may use every day or something that you do you feel adds a lot of value to your life. Um,

Peyton 49:19

maybe this came through all my practices, you know, the Reiki, the yoga, whatnot, but I just tried to practice radical self awareness. You know, we're human, at the end of the day, we're never going to be infallible creatures, we're never going to be perfect. But I think just learning to recognize those shadow parts of yourself as well as those light parts of yourself and you know, not judging them, not attaching to them. But just recognizing and becoming aware, is the most important tool that we can practice. And I think just noticing what you notice, I say that a lot in yoga, but yeah, I think that that's probably what I use the most every single day. Yeah, just paying attention, noticing without judgment and not being too hard on yourself giving yourself lots of compassion, we're never gonna be perfect. Why try? It's just a waste of time.

Terry 50:12

Designed here. So for sure, be kind

Peyton 50:14

to yourself, people are so mean to themselves, we're our worst.

Terry 50:18

You know, we're bad. If we can be horrible, you can count on me a beat and myself, you know? Definitely. But, you know, we're just, we're just humans.

Roy Barker 50:30

Well, I think, you know, again, if, if everybody would just open their mind up, and just try to take it all in, I think we would be probably be nicer to each other as well, instead of having this seems like a lot of pent up hostility is, you know, let's figure out something to take that away. We should be nice. Perform acts of kindness for other people random, you don't have to expect something back. But do it.

Terry 50:57

Don't get Yeah. Yeah.

Peyton 51:00

When we're nice to ourselves, it's easier to be nicer to other people and not project on them, when we can recognize the parts of ourselves that aren't so wonderful, you know, we can be more compassionate to when we experience those not so wonderful sides of other people. And I mean, that's a practice in and of itself. And I think that that's the most important practice, and it's hard. And, you know, every day is a little different. We all get triggered, but um, yeah, I definitely agree.

Roy Barker 51:25

All right, Peyton, thank you so much for taking time to be with us. I know you've got a lot going on. So tell us where they can reach out to you for the Yeah, so my or for the yoga?

Peyton 51:38

Yeah, so my website is www.oversoulfw.com. You can find me on instagram at oversoul.fw. And then the studio I teach at is called The Studio in Fort Worth, Texas. It's on Jennings. I teach Mondays, Wednesdays Thursdays and Fridays. And yeah, all of our teachers are awesome. So come see us. And yeah, if anyone is interested in Reiki trainings, my next one is this August, the 14th and the 21st for level one and two. So yeah, those are the best ways to get in touch.

Roy Barker 52:15

All right.

Terry 52:16

Well,

Roy Barker 52:16

y'all reach out I know Peyton can help you get on the right track with one of the many practices and it's worth it. Like I said, go in with an open mind. You'll be surprised what you'll get out of it. Yeah. All right. that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty Of course. I am your host, Roy. And you can find us at ww.feedingfatty.com. We're all on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. We're also on all the major social media platforms probably hang out on Instagram a little bit more than others. A video of this conversation won't go up on YouTube once the episode goes live. So if there's anything we can do to help anybody get you in the right place, please let us know. We'll be glad to do what we can. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health.

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Running To The Beat of His Own Drums and Pulling Them 100 Miles Behind Him with Bob Thomas

What started out as a joke ended up being a walk or charity. Can you even imagine walking 100 miles? Now visualize walking those 100 miles towing a drum kit on a trailer. This is exactly what professional drummer Bob Thomas set out to do.

About Bob

I'm Bob, a 23-year-old full-time drummer who also loves ultra-endurance. I'm an Ironman Wales finisher and have become obsessed with ultra running. I have come up with a challenge to combine music and running which is to run a 100-mile ultramarathon towing my drum kit, I will then set it up and play a gig with my band directly after the run.

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Running To The Beat of His Own Drums and Pulling Them 100 Miles Behind Him with Bob Thomas

Sun, 6/27 11:31AM • 47:59

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

drum kit, running, gig, drummer, people, training, bit, trailer, miles, started, eat, minutes, good, iron man, play, couple, marathon, hill, music, problem

SPEAKERS

Bob, Terry, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:10

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty This is Roy.

Terry 00:14

Terry.

Roy Barker 00:14

So we're podcasts that journaling or chronicling our journey through wellness. And no, we've begun to figure out at first we talked a lot about diet, not being on a diet, but just you know what we eat, consume, exercise, but we've made a, you know, we've also kind of shifted into that mindset realm that we have to, you know, be able to change our mindset to to make sustainable changes. And so on Tuesdays, we usually release an episode with the guest either a professional in the industry, or somebody telling us their story. And then on Thursdays, we release more of a personal episode. And we've been talking a lot about diabetes. That's one thing I struggle with, keep in mind under control. So anyway, I want to thank you for being a listener. And if you're new Welcome to the show. And we've got a great guest today. This has been exciting. We've been waiting a couple of weeks to get Bob on here. So Terry, I'll let you introduce Bob.

Terry 01:11

Bob Thomas is a 23 year old ultra runner and professional drummer from West Wales. He's been playing drums since the age of seven, and performing full time at 17. All over the UK. He started his fitness journey in early 2018, when he ran his first marathon and progressed to an Iron Man in 2019. After the lockdown hit in 2020, he saw it as an opportunity to push his limits further and is training to take on 100 miles while towing his drum kit behind him. Bob, thank you so much for joining us. Welcome to the show.

Bob 01:49

Pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me.

Roy Barker 01:51

Yeah, and you're quite the you're quite the contrast. Because typically, you know, we think of musicians and drummers, they they live kind of an ultimate lifestyle up on that. And then, you know, probably, I would say not the best, you know, they're surrounded by probably a lot of liquor, a lot of good food. And a lot of Yeah, so it's like, it's just, it's an interesting concept. So kind of tell us a little bit, you know, about what kind of music that you play first, you know, how you got into music into the band. And then tell us a little bit of you know, about your focus on fitness.

Bob 02:29

Yeah, it's funny you say about that. That's, that's a lot of the reason why I ended up getting into fitness is because I was like out most nights playing gigs, and then having to drive home drive horrendous miles and just eating the worst fast food all the time. And that's where the fitness really came from. But yeah, so I started from a really young age plan. And I learned through school, basically. And I used to get a 15 minute lesson once a week, and then sort of give me a book and say, right, go and go practice, come back. And that progressed up and and then just decided it was sort of what I wanted to do. So I went to bed. Basically, when I was 16. I left school, and did a little bit of work helping out my parents and sort of thought, right, okay, well, let's try and make something of music. And there's like the local city to me is Cardiff, which is about two hours away. And I sort of just went up there on the site, right, let's try and meet some musicians. So I sort of put my head around once this in venues and sort of try to be friendly with some guitarist and bass players and things and eventually just sort of gotten a couple of bands and started playing and then yeah, just just kept progressing, which which is good fun. And it got Yeah, yeah, very good to the point of playing multiple nights a week or so doing lots of teaching. You can see behind me that there's this kicks up that they should be one there. But I had a gig last night so that that was gone. He sat in my car at the moment. So yeah, it was great. And then just just lots of gigs all over the place and learn to read music. So I play for, like theater shows and things. So I didn't get booked for sort of like four to six weeks on, like small theaters or around the UK, where we do sort of like three to five days in a in a venue just multiple shows. But again, it's just it's lots of it's always it's always very intense in a very short amount of time. So usually like my Monday to Thursday is usually fairly quiet. But then it's sort of like Thursday night it's like right okay, well let's pack up the gear and get ready to go then Friday I'm off and it's Friday night gig Saturday to gigs, Sunday to gigs and then hope

Terry 04:47

to be tired. Well as a as a drummer, you don't have a choice. You have to be fit if you want to be successful as a drummer. So I'm sure

Bob 04:57

yeah, just just to get your drum kit from the cost The venue.

Roy Barker 05:02

And, you know, when when we go to concerts a lot, you know, like more smaller venues, especially outdoors and stuff. It's like, you know, you see the guitar guy, he puts his guitar, in his case, and, you know, he walks away. And the bass says the same thing. And, you know, there's this poor drummer back there. He's got this whole big old drum kit, you know, he's trying to move on and offline. So I know I'm always thinking the same thing. I just played the flute that actually

Terry 05:33

led to having stuff. You asked for it, you got it.

Roy Barker 05:36

So tell us about this challenge where you're gonna, you're gonna is it 100 kilometers, and you're gonna tow your drum kit behind you.

Bob 05:44

gnosis is 100 miles, 100 miles. Okay. I think that's about 180 kilometers.

Roy Barker 05:49

Okay. Okay.

Bob 05:51

That's a that's a best guess. But yeah, so it all it was a bit of a weird joke at the start. And because I live right on the west coast of Wales, and it's very rural, I live in political Pembrokeshire. And there's, there's like, there's more cows and people down here. So for me to go, like all my work, I have to basically go to the closest place I can do it is a city called swanzey, which is about sort of an hour and a half drive away, but more of it is done in Cardiff, which is about two hours just over. So I spend a lot of my time driving, but Cardiff is basically exactly 100 miles from my house. So that's where the majority of my gigs up. So when we hit lockdown, obviously, at the start, everyone thought it was going to be like two, three weeks. And I've done quite a bit of training then because about three or four months before that I've done my first Ironman, so relatively fit, close point. And I said to my mate, who's also a drummer, I said, I think I might train, loads of running really focused. And then when I when gigs, come back, I'll get someone I was thinking, like, I'll get my parents to take my drum get to the gig or something. And I'll run and, and then I'll do the gig and it's about 100 miles a bit like it'd be an ultramarathon, so it'd be great. And he sat there and listened to me say all that and he just went, yeah, but it doesn't really count unless you tow the drum kit. And my stupid brain went that's a brilliant idea. He's off the Christmas list now. Yeah. He's, uh, yeah, he is, is a good friend, but also a bad friend.

Terry 07:37

Well, you're actually gonna be calling I mean, you're actually gonna be telling it yourself. Your body. Yeah, yeah. So I, I am the horse to the car. Yeah,

Bob 07:47

it's a bit a bit mad. So it was kind of it was it was great. And it was like, I had no way I could actually do that. Like that would be, it'd be mental. So the first thing I do is start googling. Like, Has anyone done something like this? And there's been a few people who have like pulled cars from marathons and things like that, that looks pretty brutal. And I was like, Okay, well, no one's no one's really done this. So, so what I do, and then the the extra condition is that I that the challenge isn't finished when I end the run, because I have also hired my band to come to the end of the run and play a gig with me. So run 100 mile with the drum kit, then set it up, then play an hour's gig with them, and then set it down. And then and then I don't know, I'll probably just meet face down

Terry 08:36

in the grass leap, or at least two weeks after that. Yeah, I hope so.

Roy Barker 08:42

Are you going to push through and do like the 100? all at the same time? Are you going to like take a couple breaks in between?

Bob 08:49

Yes, the plan is to do it. Pretty much all as one. So I allowing myself 48 hours to do it. Wow. And that's gonna involve I'm, I've got a, I've got a crew of five guys coming along to help me and they're gonna have a couple of cars and beat leapfrogging and there's a couple of spots where they have to sit behind me with a hazard zone. Because some of the roads quite quick. So I'm yeah, the idea is I start at 8pm on Thursday, the 22nd of July. And the idea is to go all the way through that night. And then when I get to the morning, I'll probably have a bit of a break for breakfast. But when I say a break, I mean less than less than 30 minutes. Yeah. Ideally, if we can keep all the breaks under 20 minutes, that would be great. We're pretty much just going to like, like plot all the labels on the way and I'll just keep stopping and then there'll be other things I need to do. Like, I need to change shoes at some point because my feet will swell. Probably change clothes. I imagine I'll need a change of clothes for night running than I will day running. Because of the heat difference, because we're we're in summer here, and not the world's as the hottest country in the world, but it can get slightly warm. And when I say slightly, I mean, not not very, but enough. So yeah, I'll probably have to get changed and things like that. And then I talked to a few people who've done like, really setting challenges like this before. A friend of mine, she did 200 miles recently. And it took her about 51 hours. And she said on on day two, she had to stop and she slept for 15 minutes. And in Canada. So I look forward to my 15 minute nap on days.

Terry 10:42

Well, and how do you even start to figure out how to train for that? I mean, what's your what's your typical day as far as your training going?

Bob 10:50

Yeah, but yeah, that that's, that's a, that's a weird one. Because it started off with just increasing the miles running. Which came to a point where I was running sort of like, like eight or nine hours a day. And then it just just get I'm just trying to get as many miles as possible. And then it got to the point where I got the trailer. And that that was weird, because the difficult thing with trailers is very hilly around here. So one is heavy and getting it up the hill is awful. But then the other problem is getting it down the hill. ilmi. And it's, it's, it's quite scary. Because when I first did it, I was like, Oh, well, we I got a friend to help out. And he got a break on it. And I was like, yeah, that's a really good idea. So we got this break that was on a rope. And the idea was like a rubber rubber on the hand pulled the brake should be absolutely fine. Well, we didn't take into account is actually, when I get to a steep hill, I have to really pull the brake. I took the first hill that I went down, and I got to the end of it. And I looked at my hand and it was like completely blew off circulation with the rope. I'd like to rope across my hand. I was like that was one Hill. Yeah, so I run because I'm on my last like training block now. Which is which basically involves me every other day running as many miles as I can trailer. So I did a marathon with it on Wednesday, just gone. And that took about eight hours to do. Which was which was fun. And it's just lots of hills. And I'm training with like twice the amount of Hill. So I'm, I cover 80 feet of climbing per mile on my training runs. But when I do the actual run, I only cover 50 feet of climbing per mile. Okay, I'm training a little bit harder than what it will actually be. But I'm not training the same distance because I just want to recover. That's the that's the thing I found hardest is trying to get enough training in, but also recover afterwards. And then and nutrition and things like that it's really hard because I track calories. And it's funny because some days I need to track calories to make sure I don't eat too much. But then other days, I have to track calories to make sure eight is enough. Because I think on Wednesday I burned an extra like 7000 calories or something is like well I don't know how to eat that

Terry 13:42

much. It's many calories Do you need how many calories are trying to strive for

Bob 13:48

so so it's really weird. So when when I'm when I'm moving I can I can basically take on about 160 calories an hour without feeling unwell. Because it's quite a common thing because because when you run your body sends more blood to your muscles and your extremities and it takes it away from some of your normal so your digestive system doesn't work as efficiently. So if you take on too many calories, you can end up being sick, which is a bit of a problem. And it's not nice being sick when you're running. I have accidentally so I have to limit the amount but then afterwards like I sort of got this calorie deficit of like a few 1000 calories and I'm like well I could I could eat a bowl of ice cream and still have cash to spare

Terry 14:46

as trying to join in here.

Roy Barker 14:50

Man I wish I could wish I had that problem of having to try to eat and write that in before we get too far long I was gonna at your do it or isn't there Charity component involved in this as well.

Bob 15:03

Yes, there is. So yeah, so this was where the idea really sort of came to life is because he was like, right, it's a great idea. But like, what was the point in doing it? So yeah, I am, I decided to do it for cardiac risk in the young, which are a really good charity here. And they basically they they set up and they do screening and research into undiagnosed heart conditions, okay? Because it can be found in in young people between ages of 14 and 34. And they can have a heart condition that's completely undiagnosed, no symptoms whatsoever, and unfortunately, just suddenly dropped out. It can be really awful there was we've got a competition in in football over here going on with the euros at the moment. And there was a player, I think he's from Denmark. But he about I think it was about 20 minutes into the game just dropped, dropped on the field. And fortunately, he recovered. And they, they got into hospital, and he's fine. But that was a cardiac problem. And it's really strange, because it doesn't really matter how fit people seem to be. It can really affect them. Unfortunately, we lost my my older sister. And she was 16 at the time, but she played hot ball, hot ball hockey, and netball. That's the mix, apparently hot ball. So he actually played netball and hockey to a really high standard, and was always used to run track and things. And they are unfortunately, where she had a heart condition that we didn't know about no symptoms whatsoever. Gosh,

Roy Barker 16:42

that's terrible. So do you.

Terry 16:43

So do you because of that? Do you get screened annually? How does?

Bob 16:50

Yes, so so i i don't get screened annually. So I have I have been screened, and they they believe it's hereditary. And they've looked into cases in my family. And they believe it's only the women that are affected in my family interests. Other I've had a look into that. And and how I know that I don't specifically know, but it's all through the screening that they do. And they work a lot with schools over here. So they'll they'll go into schools, and they'll screen an entire year of school and figure out and they can they can give pacemakers. I know that there was a girl in a school near me. And she was screened. And they found that she had something and they they did an operation she had had a pacemaker button on the heart. And she had to I think she had to keep it for about two years. And then they got removed, and she was absolutely fine. And yeah,

Roy Barker 17:47

yeah, and we have seen that here too. You know, athletes football is our, you know, American football, and then you know, some in basketball to that. Yeah, younger kids that are you would think in perfect health, because they're so athletic. And then, you know, it's unfortunate, they have this underlying condition. So, you know, we're definitely, you know, express our sorrow for your family's loss, for sure. But I think it's really great that you're stepping up and doing this. And the reality is just so many people don't know about it. So the awareness is a good component as well.

Bob 18:22

Yeah, I think massively it and that's the things but when it's someone that of that age that's so young, it affects so many people around them, because, right, if there's some if it affects someone who's sort of under the age of 18, they've probably got brothers and sisters and effects their family and all their school friends. I know that my sister's friends. for them. It was horrendous, because they had a friend who was there there one day, and then the next school and they're like, hold on. Where's where Sarah, while actually not in school today? Yeah. And yeah, it's horrific.

Terry 18:55

And you were How old? were you when you lost your sister?

Bob 18:59

I was 11 at the time. Wow. Five years younger than Oh, well,

Roy Barker 19:05

we appreciate you sharing that with us. I know. That's a you know, it's very personal. But thanks for thanks for sharing, I think it makes a big difference to, you know, get that message out that it can be devastating. It is devastating to the families that happens to you. But then, like you said, At that age, it affects people around them. And then if they're young, it's like a lifelong thing that they have to deal with. So,

Terry 19:30

and the fact that they're so young, you know, you just don't know, at any age, what's going to happen, anything can creep up, but the fact that they're younger, and this happens, you know, doesn't mean it's not gonna

Roy Barker 19:43

end their screening. That's the other thing. I don't know how preventable but if people were more aware of it, get the screening probably could avoid. Avoid a lot of the unnecessary deaths as well.

Bob 19:55

Yeah, a lot. A lot of it can can be avoided through through things like pacemakers. and things like that. And if they if they do find them earlier, and I don't I don't even think they have to find super early, I think as long as it's found some, that's all they need, and then they can they can actively work against it.

Roy Barker 20:15

Well, so let's get back to so you, what made you make this decision to be healthy to be the healthy drummer? I mean, because like we said, it's very contrary, did you just, you know, just I guess, feeling bad, or you just saw the path that you're on, you know, doing eating the fast food on the way home from a bad I have to be going down?

Bob 20:40

Yeah, it was, um, it was a case of, so I'm I'm asthmatic. And I've always had like, like, fairly Bad, bad asthma, but it isn't, it's not terrible. I remember doing a couple of gigs where I had to carry the kit in, and sort of like carry half the kit, and then almost be having an asthma attack, taking it in and just being like, this is terrible. But on the scale of things, my asthma is not that you can have way worse asthma. I just remember thinking at this one gig, I think we have to carry it up a flight of stairs to get to the stage. And I carried about two pieces my drum kit up and it wasn't even the heaviest bit. I got to the top. I was sweating. And I was like hearing, like, I couldn't breathe. And I was like, I think this might be a problem. If I want to carry on doing this, and I can't keep up this lifestyle. Right. And so yeah, so the idea was like, right, okay, well, let's, let's start doing a little bit of running. So this was back in early 2018. It must have been awful February, started doing a little bit of running wasn't very good. didn't really enjoy it. But sort of kept going. And then I mentioned to my my girlfriend at the time, I was like, I think I might I might train for a marathon. I think it was just a really off the cuff sort of said it didn't really mean it. Yeah. And I think about 10 minutes later, she went, Oh, there's one in six weeks, I've signed you up.

Roy Barker 22:20

Yeah, that's the second time now you've got yourself in trouble you have built in a little better.

Bob 22:26

Yeah, I know. I should just keep my mouth shut. So. So I went and did that marathon and hated it. But what what I remember mainly from America is I ran the first 16 miles. And then basically fell off a cliff just felt horrendous walked had my head in the sand, like just did not want to be there at all. And then I got to the end, and then about 200 meters from the end, all the crowds go. And I was like sprinting, I was absolute for like full out as fast as I could run. I don't think I've ever run that fast before in my life. And finish the race and then fell around this again. But but it's saying in me then when I did that was like, hold on, like, an hour ago. I wanted to quit give up and I felt awful. And I thought I couldn't even run 10 seconds ago, I was sprinting full pelt, what, what's going on? And then I sort of realized that actually a lot of mental, right? So it was like, Okay, and then all my training just just sort of went straight off. After that marathon, there was nothing really to look forward to. And it was kind of like right back to back to work. And it started going back the other way again, and I was like, Oh no, this isn't good. I need to sign up for something. And my dad had started doing iron that where I realized sake of I thought we're a bit we're a bit just stupid. We just say we're going to do things and then end up doing them. So because of that, so that year my dad signed up to do an iron man. And he, he just like he just spoke to me one day, I think he spoke to me and my brother and he was like, I've signed this deal and I'm on a really like, Okay. She know what it is? And he was like, yeah, it's like a triathlon, we like, is a really hard track. He was like, yeah, it's fine. We're like dead, you can't even run. And he's like, yeah, we fine. He had when he signed up, he had an issue with his knee where he had injured it, like a couple years before and hadn't been able to run as well. And it was really struggling and but somehow he fixed it gotten through it and he's done like for now. So, so the I because my training was completely in a slump and I was like, right I need something to look forward to. I was like, Okay, well, I am man it is. So I decided to sign up and day one So then in 2019, I did an Iron Man, which is really good. And for 2019, for me, music wise was probably the year that we're it really took off quite quite well. So I was doing a lot more around the UK traveling a lot further. We were sort of breaking into, like north and south of England, which is much more populated areas than Wales. So we're doing a lot better. But then the journeys they're getting up to sort of we're traveling sort of eight hours, to places.

Roy Barker 25:33

So let me just say for the record back what you said that there is no easy Iron Man or triathalon. person as you are your red was like that question like, yeah, there is no, there is no Yeah, yeah, this is gonna be an easy one here.

Bob 25:51

Yes, yeah. It's a little bit different to the local and stamp London, the leisure centre. It's like 10 laps of the pole and a quick jog around the block. But yeah, yeah. So like, my, my work got massively increased. So I didn't really have much time to train. So I ended up sort of scraping through the Iron Man and completing, I sort of did it but I wasn't very happy with my time because I The training was not not wonderful. So I entered again, for 2020. And that's when I really started with it. And so I sort of, I had a couple of mates at the time. And I was like, right, I know, this makes one's a lot. So he's really good at that, I'm going to start swim with him, and my other mate runs a lot and start running with him. And I really sort of, like changed a lot of my focus to go fully into into the fitness and my, my idea was that if I could do Ironman in under 12 hours, I'd be really happy. So I was had, like, straight into that as much as I could. And then that's when lockdown happened. So that's when this sort of idea of like, right, well, now I've got a big opportunity. Like, at the time, I thought, right, I've got four to six weeks now where I can go mad training. And then but I've done just carried on forever and ever and ever. And and so that second I'm on I still haven't done. I'm Fingers crossed should be doing it this September. But But yeah, but that sort of leads us to where we are now. Because that's when that conversation happened about running with the drum kit. And then it was like, right, well, yeah, let's do that. And I, it all got invented. Because I was I thought it was a great idea. And I sort of looked into it a bit and figured out and thought, yeah, I think I can do this. So I made a video saying that I was going to do it and put it on Facebook. And that was the point where I could not go back because that video got about 5000 views in the day. Everyone I knew. And people had already people were donating money. And I hadn't even set up the donation page. I had people just sending me money. I raised like 200 pounds in like, a day. And I was like, Wait, hold on, I've got to do this. I was like there's no Undo button so that I'm well and truly in. So that it was a scramble to set up like a donation page. And that was it. Once I put that video out, it was like, Okay, I am I am fully committed. And then it was just trying to figure out a date and the idea. At the time, I was like, Okay, well, I definitely need to do it next year. So 2021 because I don't think if it was just running 100 miles, I said just running 100 miles is silly. But if Yeah, if I was only running 100 miles without turning the drum kit, I probably could have done it towards the end of last year. But we've turned the drunk yet. It was like right, no, that's that's probably I probably bitten off more than I can chew here. So I'm gonna make sure that this takes a long time until after dinner. So yeah, the idea was to do it in August this year. And then as things started lining up, we were looking at dates and night, the weekend of the 24th of July. This was like the perfect weekend. Right again, that book in and go for it. And then I had to figure out how to tow the trailer. And I had to get a trailer made and all of that and that was great fun and a bit mad cuz I'm phoning up companies who sell trailers and be like, do you have any that are built for running? Like, Oh, no, no,

Roy Barker 29:35

we don't really. It's not really a thing. Okay. Even if you you know, get one like, people run you know, when they have kids and stuff that's smaller. I mean, that's the other challenge is getting something big enough to hold the whole drum kit.

Bob 29:53

That was the thing. So that was I got offers from people of saying like, Oh, well I've got like a baby running thing. Um, I was like, Okay. Like, yeah, I was like it by any chance. Did you have triplets? really helpful? Unfortunately, they didn't. So yeah, I can, I can use it. But yeah, that's the problem because the drum kit is annoyingly shaped and really bulky. And even with packing it down to the smallest I can possibly get it, I still have to have it on like a flatbed trailer, which itself is really heavy and cumbersome and annoying. I haven't sworn at it.

Roy Barker 30:33

When you brought up a good point, I guess when we first started talking, I was thinking about you know, it's gonna be the challenge is getting up the hill, but I never actually thought about once you start down the hill that, you know, that trailer is gonna want to try to run over you if you don't have a pretty good braking system in place.

Bob 30:50

Yeah, the trailer is coming from my head on is

Terry 30:55

like a cartoon, you know, just a flat near right out. I mean, I think about Frankie, or one of our dogs dragging us down a hill that we have on the side of the house where we take him outside. And I mean, she does she is strong. And she pulls me down that I can't even oh my gosh, I can't even imagine that part of it. But I you know, I just it that is something that you posted on Facebook and accountability really can be such a factor. Yeah, peer pressure is the worst, isn't it really it is that in the mindset, and then all the support that you have from your, from your community, your friends, your family, all of that is, is awesome.

Bob 31:41

Yeah, that's being massive, because alongside everyone watching and donating, I also just got like, hundreds of messages from people being like, Oh, I can help with this. And I can do this. And I'm still getting them today. I got a message like I think yesterday from my mate Connor. And he was like, oh, God didn't want to do anything like filming or anything. Because like, I've got a camera and I can do this. And I'm like, Oh, yeah, those great. People are just so helpful, but it is amazing.

Roy Barker 32:06

So what how is the challenge? You know? And I think that's awesome that you put it out there because that's what they always say is, you know, if you have goals in your mind, it's one thing but once you speak them to somebody else that you know you become accountable. But the other part of this is that the difficulty even if you want to do this the difficulty of your situation of being around, you know, the things that aren't as healthy for you to consume. And then I'm sure your bandmates are like, Hey, why don't you come out, you know, come have a drink with us or I don't know what you know, y'all favorite junk food is but over here be like, Hey, we need to go get some nachos and beer after this gig. And, you know, how do you how do you handle that? And how supportive are they of you and your efforts? Not necessarily for the challenge but just for the daily being healthy.

Bob 33:00

I actually incredibly supportive because I I think a lot of it actually with the the eating and beer bad because we don't necessarily get the situation that often. Well, we all stay around and have like a beer after a gig. unfortunate because it's so much traveling. It's always like, Oh, I work but I've got a drive. So like and it's like you can't you never really get the situation where you can stay afterwards. But the problem was is mainly just actually myself and overcoming the big shiny by the side of the motorway. right for you are in an order and enough food to feed a family of thought.

Roy Barker 33:48

Like a magnet. Especially when and I'm the worst so I can attest to that is driving. I just feel like I always have to have something to eat or drink and it's like hard to go by the drive thru without popping in and getting something so I mean, it's a challenge. Yeah, it's just boring, isn't it? Yeah. So what have you have you done anything to make to help yourself to drive past it without making that exit?

Bob 34:16

To try and try take a different route? That's what Yeah, how ice cream machine doesn't work. Yeah, I mean, the one thing that's massively been is that I haven't actually been able to work because of COVID Yeah, so I've I've not been going to the gigs. A lot of my work has been I've been doing much more teaching and things like that, which is from home and over Skype, and things like this. So it's been lots of online so I've actually been making my own food. And when you're training a lot, the the food you eat and how you feel makes a massive difference, because I'm I'm sure you know when you go to McDonald's and you eat loads, and then you get up the next morning. You feel horrendous. Yeah. And but it's even worse when you do that. And then you've got a run 20 miles the next day. Because then you feel like doubly horrendous. So you quite quickly get into the headspace of like, Oh, actually, yeah, I need to sort of do that do this right. And I think I think even even before I said all the fitness stuff, I don't think it was necessarily my bandmates, or a bad influence. I think, especially the way we do things where we're not so much the rock and roll lifestyle musicians, we're very much that sort of quiet, go in and get the job done. Might have a Yeah, have a chat with people and then come home and sit with it, sit on your feet up and get get as early night as you can. So I haven't really had massive bad influences, which is quite good, other than my own sort of bad influence of just genuinely not being able to beat my cravings.

Terry 36:05

I think we all think about, you know, in the 60s and 70s, well, 60s 70s 80s, you know, just our music, our music, the rock and roll and all you know, we just think of that lifestyle, they're all they're all out there drinking out all hours, I have all these dates, dates, you know, all that stuff. So it's, it's, it's very refreshing to see that

Roy Barker 36:29

I could think of this group that I was listening to a song interviewers listened to one with the group. And they were kind of like, you know, it's kind of like their, their nine to five, just in a different time slot. But they were like, you know, they became big in popularity, and they were opening for some other bigger groups, and the other groups were like, Hey, come on, we're gonna go, you know, party and do this or like, and, you know, it's time for us to go home. And so they were that way as well. They just like, you know, we never really got into the life, we just, you know, we did our GIG and then we went home. And yeah, that everybody else.

Bob 37:03

I think some of it comes with, it depends how big the band gets. If you if you get a lot of money. And you're doing really well out of it, I think, yeah, there's it that lends itself to it as well. But sometimes it's like, like I've especially early on, I think that's probably where it's at. Because, early on, I was doing gigs where I would barely make any money by just doing lots and lots and lots of them. So you're sort of thinking you go like, Oh, yeah, well, I could have like a couple of beers afterwards with some of the crowd. But certainly, if you spend 20 pound on on beer afterwards, and then you take in your fuel, and then you eat and big McDonald's, suddenly, you spent your entire paycheck. Can you laugh? I don't have any money. I think yeah, I think I think when I first started, I probably felt like the first like two months, I was like, terrible, had no money. And then I was like, Oh, I can't get this gig because I can't put any fuel in my car. I should sort this out.

Terry 37:59

You learned quick. I mean, it takes some people a lifetime to figure that out.

Bob 38:04

Yeah, and, and also, just where I live sort of lends itself because I play it when I'm playing card, if I've got one band where three of the members live in Cardiff. So they they can like walk to the gig. So it typically takes them like 10 minutes to get there. So they they can have a drink of things and walk home. And it's really easy for them and a lot of their friends around there. Whereas for me, it's always that situation of like, right to if we finish up, sort of like 11 o'clock. We've then got 45 minutes to pack down and get out. We have a 15 minute chat, say goodbye. And then I get home and then I've got to drive. I still got two hour drive. So I don't get home till two in the morning still. So then if I stay around for drinks and food then it's like suddenly like I'm getting hungry. like four in the morning. Yeah. And yeah, so and especially if it's on a Sunday I want to I want to get get back to work to watch football.

Roy Barker 38:56

Yeah. So already on the on the actual running part. Have you just done all of this on your own? Or have you been working with the trainer to kind of help get you up to you know, even prior to the to the trailer pool thing?

Bob 39:12

were you working with somebody. So before the tradable i the only thing I was working with as I was working with a swimming coach because for me swimming is one of my strong suits. I swung from very early on from I think probably about age six, I think I started swimming and always quite enjoyed it. So I was working with a swimming coach quite a lot. But as far as running and cycling goes not not really a lot of there's a really good community down here because so I live in Pembrokeshire and as a political attendee here, and that is where one of the Ironmen takes place. So there is an Ironman in Tennessee, which is about 30 minutes from me. So there's a massive community of triathletes down here. So a lot of it is we all just sort of like keep night by In each of these training plans and talk to each other, so mainly everything I've learned is through that. And then for the run all of my training I've done myself and I have a good friend who's a physio. And I pretty much text him every other day like this hurts. Why should I do? He'll text me back and you'd be like, it's fine. It's meant to hurt. Just go

Terry 40:26

read some dirt and

Roy Barker 40:29

everything I was noticing. Looks like you have a 40 Niners hat and jacket though. Are you big American football fan?

Bob 40:35

Yeah, I'm a huge Forty Niners fan. And so when they do like the international games over here, I've got a season ticket. I'm sorry. I've seen many teams over here. And I watch every game live. Absolutely love it. Very good. Good.

Roy Barker 40:51

Well, we would be remiss if we didn't ask you a couple questions about who your favorite some of your favorite drummers are.

Bob 40:59

Yeah, of course. Yeah. So old all time favorite drummers Jeff Porcaro from so so because he's, he's insane. And he's played on so much stuff from like, like Steely Dan stuff. And yeah, he's he's based. Big fan of Tom from news. So he's a news from from Devon, which is not too far from here. And it's like, well, actually, as, as the crow flies, it's really close. It's like 4050 miles, but just over the water. So they're there by their massive modern UK band that are really good. And then I play in a tribute band for those. So I've had to really commit a lot of time to learning all of his parts and playing very accurately, so I have a massive appreciation for him. Yeah, he's amazing. And then I've got narrow people down, that's really hard. Yeah, there's a drummer called Danny Carey from the band tool. And they're just like, all over the place, really complex rhythms and things like that. They do horrible odd times images and stuff. And it's very complex. And, and redneck and a lot of it's like, it's the way the scrub music is. It's like spiraling, which is really, really, really weird. But it's this very sort of like, psychedelic. And the I love that sort of stuff.

Roy Barker 42:25

Yeah, remember when the guess when the multitrack or eight tracks or whatever came out? That's when everybody would be like, you know, all the sound in one speaker and then it would move and then if they were really good, they could just make it swirl around the whole car like that?

Bob 42:40

Yeah, yeah, they did nice. Like the the Queen thing on Bohemian Rhapsody where they found the vocal. Right, and then it's the middle. Yeah.

Roy Barker 42:48

Well, Bob, we appreciate you taking time out of your day to talk with us. It's an awesome story, I think it's a great cause that you're working toward, and we need to follow up. So we're going to get you on our calendar, we'll give you a day or two to you know, probably rest up from that, but maybe a little longer, maybe, and maybe an August weekend, they get you back on and you can give us a report of how it went. And of course, I'm sure that they're going to be video ographers they're taking the pictures and video. So please send us all that stuff. So we can not only post it, but you know, we really want to keep up with you and see how this goes. Yes, well, very, that's amazing. Thank you very much a bird

Terry 43:28

like oh my gosh, sending positive vibes to you will live vicariously through you.

Roy Barker 43:35

So what is a tool or a habit, something that you do every day, that really adds a lot of value to your life.

Bob 43:44

Or that is that is very good one I think from for me, it's it's probably sort of taking the taking time to do something, but I I really enjoy. So often this is usually very much around music. So for me, it's not just it's not just drums because I play a bit of guitar and piano. So every day I try to sort of dedicate a little bit of time, just even if it's like 10 minutes to just go and like write this, this, I'm just going to focus on this and just really enjoy it and not worry about anything else. And it's sort of just I guess it's kind of a bit of a meditation thing. But I find a lot, it helps with things like procrastination, because I find a lot of time when you're doing something like hard work or something. And you're just thinking like, oh my, I could be doing this other thing. And I want to be doing that. If just early on in the day early in the morning, before you go off to work, you just do something that you really enjoy. You sort of just get out of yourself a little bit so that you can go right out. I've done some I've really enjoyed today and now I'm going to go focus. Cool.

Roy Barker 44:50

Yeah, that's good advice. Yeah, we need to get out and and do that we need to sometimes we forget to stop and you know, have some enjoyment out of our day. So let's go Awesome. God, I just got to thinking we just our concerts just got opened back up here this year and we our first one that's coming to town that we're gonna see is a Clapton is coming. So we're excited about that. Oh, cool. Oh, when when's that?

Terry 45:17

It's September, mid September, and I've got a really good LA to

Bob 45:23

be really good. venue. Oh, that'd be cool. I was meant to see Joe Bonamassa recently. But I got cancelled unfortunate, I'm really hoping it's going to be put back on set.

Terry 45:36

I know, I'm so ready to do it just be in a live music format. I just do.

Roy Barker 45:44

And that's why you were you know, that's another reason that we were so interested in talking to you because music is a big part of both of our lives. And, you know, since I'm, you know, right up until the pandemic, you know, we probably went to, you know, concert every month or so, maybe not, you know, a lot of buyers are the old guys that you know, they

Terry 46:02

Al Green Yeah, the temptations,

Roy Barker 46:05

you know, we're trying to trying to see them before they all pass away. boys got the attributes that

Terry 46:15

we even had tickets to the Rolling Stones, and I've never seen them before. They were supposed to come a year ago, and maybe they still haven't announced anything unless you know something. Some inside scoop. We don't but

Bob 46:28

no, no, by no. Unfortunately, just being British doesn't mean you get out of shame. It would be such a great privilege if it was

Roy Barker 46:40

the other one that one of our last ones we went to were the I don't know if you've heard of the Stone Temple Pilots, Eric. Oh, yeah. Eric Kretz. Yep. Amazing drummer. If you haven't ever checked him out, check him out really good.

Bob 46:53

Yeah, well, yeah, I know a little bit of their stuff, but not not in depth. But yeah, I've

Roy Barker 46:57

heard some good stuff. All right. Well, we could talk music for the next couple hours, but we don't let you go. Thank you. Were so gracious for the time you've given us and like I said, really keep up. We want to. We want to see how even if you want to send us some training stuff as you're working through the week, some pictures of the trailer, and just anything you want to send us. And we'll be sure to get it out there for Yeah, brilliant. Well, thank you very much. Hey, you bet. All right, that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty. I'm your host Roy.

Terry 47:27

I'm Terry Bob. Thank you so much

Roy Barker 47:29

of course you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms. iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, if we're not on one that you listened to reach out we'd be glad to get it added. You can also find us on all the major social media platforms typically, probably Instagram is where we hang out a little bit more. A video of this interview will go up when the episode goes live. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health.

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Body Image Can Be Deceptive, Thin Doesn't Always Equate To Being Healthy With Sandy Rodriquez

In today's society, we equate thin with healthy and overweight with unhealthy. There is so much more to really knowing who is healthy, but social media and other advertisers continue to propagate this lie. We shouldn't allow other people to define our health and our happiness. Let your doctor determine your health and you your happiness.

About Sandy

Bilingual communications expert Sandy Rodriguez writes on topics ranging from finance to entertainment for different media outlets in both the U.S. and Mexico. She is the author of a book titled Choose to Prevail, which inspired an upcoming video interview series. Sandy is a former editorial coordinator for Mexican newspaper Reforma, one of the most influential publications in Latin America, and has translated tens of books from English to Spanish for major publishing houses. These include medical, self-help, and business books, novels, and titles focused on spirituality or personal growth by popular authors such as Louise Hay, Nick Vujicic, and Neale Donald Walsch. Multifaceted Sandy, who once took part in a prestigious fellowship program for international journalists at Seoul National University in South Korea, currently lives in Los Angeles, where she works as a certified court interpreter. She is a fitness enthusiast, burgeoning artist, and amateur winemaker.

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Body Image Can Be Deceptive, Thin Doesn't Always Equate To Being Healthy with Sandy Rodriquez

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

people, eat, feel, book, healthy, sandy, weight, shape, person, life, exercise, body, mentioning, day, thinking, age, overweight, gym, friends, point

SPEAKERS

Terry, Sandy, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:00

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. I'm your host, Roy.

Terry 00:03

I'm Terry.

Roy Barker 00:11

So we are a podcast that we are chronicling our journey through health. that encompasses a lot of things. It's our diet not being on a diet, but it's our diet of what we consume, as well as exercise mindset. Trying to center ourself and meditation, all of this combined really helps to make us a better us we think. And so we're working really hard to make some changes to try to get on a better plane. A lot of times we Chronicle you know what's going on in our life this week. And we also have professionals and guests that are experts in different areas that come on to try to help us with this and be a good reference and resource for you and today is no different. Terry, I'll let you introduce Sandy.

Terry 00:57

Sandy Rodriguez is a bilingual communications expert writing on topics ranging from finance to entertainment for different media outlets in both the US and Mexico. She is the author of a book titled choose to prevail, which inspired an upcoming videos interview series, which I just finished, by the way. And Sandy is a former editorial coordinator for the Mexican newspaper reforma, one of the most influential publications in Latin America and has translated 10s of books from English to Spanish for major publishing houses. multifaceted Sandy who wants to put in a prestigious fellowship program for international journalists, Sol Yun National University in South Korea currently lives in LA where she works as a certified court interpreter. She's a fitness enthusiast, burgeoning artists and amateur winemakers. Sandy, welcome to the show.

Sandy 01:55

Thank you so much for having me over tyrian. Enjoy, it's wonderful to be here with you as much like yourself, I'm very interested in staying healthy and making positive health changes in my life at

Roy Barker 02:07

all times. Yeah, and it's funny, because once we started down this road, I think, you know, at the beginning, we were focused on what we ate and exercise and but I think as we've gone through this journey, it's like, we've kind of shifted the mindset because you just really have to get your mind right, in order to make changes, sustainable changes, you know, we can change for a day or two or for a meal or two, but trying to make bigger, sustainable changes that will last the rest of your life. It's difficult, very difficult. And I'm not just going to tell you I've I've had to Terry has been reporting as she's reading your book, for the last couple days, she's like, Oh, my gosh, you should hear this easier what Sandy had to say in that book. So I haven't had a chance to look at it. But Terry said that it's awesome. So thank you for sharing that with us.

Sandy 02:59

Thank you so much for I am very happy that the charity has been liking the book. One of the things that I mentioned in the book, and I think might be interesting to your audience, is that we really cannot let our body image or our own body love be defined by other people. If anything, here's the thing, I've noticed that body shapes come into vogue, and they fall out of fashion much like clothing does. So know what your body type, what's your bone structure, what your overall complexion is, like, sooner or later, it will come into fashion. I for example, struggled a lot when I was a little girl and even a teenager because my body type was not popular at the time. I'm a person with a trim upper body, a small waist and curvy or lower body. And that was not popular at all. However, it's very funny to me that now that is the body type that a lot of people are striving for. So I guess it's just a matter of weeding it out. I think it's something that's that's actually pretty funny. I even read that Benjamin Franklin's body tight was popular during his lifespan. Who would have thought so it's really a matter of just waiting it out.

Terry 04:22

Right? Yeah. And I can totally relate because, you know, parish parish shape. I have always been pear shaped. Is that what you? Is that what you considered yourself as well? I think so. I believe so. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I mean, forever. And now holy cow and people are getting implants and you know all of that. I don't I don't understand.

Sandy 04:47

Let me tell you as an author, I know and an acquaintance of mine. She is a bodybuilder and over the last couple of years, she's made a small fortune by art. training people to specifically grow their glutes. Now, to me that's like, seriously, I mean, I spent all my childhood and my early teen years trying to do the exact opposite. I clearly remember reading in a women's magazine when I was, I don't know, maybe 12, that you should sit on a hardened wooden floor, you know, with your legs crossed and rock side to side for an hour or two a day while watching TV. And that should have flattened you're behind. And that was what people were striving for. Now. Crazy, right? So you never know what's going to be popular. And I was made to feel like I was fat back in the day because of having that body type. Looking back at pictures, and just remembering what I was eating, and my actual body weight. Of course, I was not fat, I was certainly not overweight, by any, you know, by any doctor's charge or anything of the sort. But my peers and even adults made me feel fat. Because of that I even remember a couple of incidents where my friends moms would actually, you know, give me a little talking to and say, No, no, no, you need to cut back on calories. Because when you grow up, you don't want to, to look fat in an attractive and that was quite damaging, personally, what kind of an adult approaches a young child to give their two cents about the child's appearance. And secondly, now looking back, I was never overweight, it was just a body type that people didn't, let's say, understand or appreciate back in the day.

Roy Barker 06:40

It's harder for women I know, you know, to ignore the great advice people give you but also to, you know, to be that body conscious. But you know, as long as you're healthy, you got good blood pressure, your sugars are good, you know, whatever the other markers that your physician says, you know, we should be okay with that. And, you know, we just, again, it's hard. It's hard for anybody, but you know, we just have to stay in our own lane, run our own race and say, Look, I am what I am. And what is it the old saying that the people, people that people that care don't mind, and people that mind, don't care, something like that. I don't remember how that goes. But basically, it's, you know, the people that are closest to us are going to understand, and they're not going to be rude. But the people that are rude, you know, we just have to nevermind them. And the other thing, it's kind of timely, that there was an old, it was a meme that was going around not long ago, of a pattern. And this was probably in the late 50s, early 60s. But the pattern for sewing was actually called chubby girl patterns. And you know, in this day and time, I just had to step back for a minute and say, Oh, my gosh, can you imagine that somebody was actually advertising their product as chubby girl products.

Sandy 08:01

Very funny. It's really interesting. Right now, body positivity, at least, let's say publicly, it's a it's a big deal. A lot of companies are choosing to feature, you know, models that are a little bit on the chubbier side. But here's the thing, I do feel that there's a bit of a downside to that, in that I feel that a lot of companies, it's almost like they're just paying lip service to what is trendy right now that which is a pipe positivity movement. But I do feel that it doesn't really serve people well to actually believe that the world will treat you exactly the same if you're, if you're clearly out of shape, because that's not the case. And it would be very disappointing to be tremendously out of shape and go out into the world and go to beaches and Golden's to social situations and go into dating, and go into job interviews and just assume that yes, the world is very positive now, and I will be getting these fabulous reactions. My weight is a non issue. That's not really the case. And I know that to be a fact, because I'm, well, I mean, it's not only something that I can see for myself, but I experienced it up to a certain degree. I've always been a person that has been very much weight conscious and finger conscious and I've even fallen into near anorexia at certain times in my life. But when I was pregnant, I decided to just set all of those concerns aside and just eat help healthfully. But to be honest, I went a little bit overboard. I didn't really eat healthfully, I went above and beyond. I mean, certainly I ate for two but not for two normal people, but for two people with a sweet tooth and with a penchant for grilled cheese sandwiches. So in reality I did put on a lot of weight. I would say that up My my little boy was born, I still had a lot left to ship. And I knew that it was going to be something temporary, because I'm a person that knows how to, you know, lose weight when it's needed. So I knew it was a temporary thing. But I would say that over the course of maybe a year, I was really very much overweight. And in fact, you can well pregnant, because I put on so much weight, I did not look like this beautiful, lovable, pregnant woman that everybody wants to hug and help out. In fact, I would say that I looked more like an overweight lady. And the reactions I got from people, let me tell you, they were not at all body positive at all. So it was a bit of a social experiment, and that I actually got to feel and experience what life might be like if that were your permanent situation. Let me tell you, there is no real body positivity going on, as far as I can tell. So I mean, it's all well and good that companies want to, you know, open their, their brands to to more consumers and maybe offer different sizes. But it's really, I think, a little bit of wishful thinking to actually believe that you can go into the world and experience life in exactly the same way and with exactly the same opportunities at any size. Yeah, that's what I feel.

Terry 11:24

Yeah. And I mean, it'd be great. It'd be a perfect world, if we could go and just be fake. People could see us from the inside out. That would just solve everything right there.

Roy Barker 11:39

Yeah. And I think the other part of that is that, I don't know why, but it's gotten worse over the last few years. But people feel the need to comment or to be mean,

Terry 11:49

they're trying to be helpful, but they're really not right.

Roy Barker 11:52

And some people are just not, I mean, just nasty anyway, but then, you know, we also I think we suffer from the silent prejudice, that even if somebody doesn't voice that, it's always, you know, it's in their head, or, you know, they think that they think, oh, that, you know, I don't want to hire that person, because they're overweight, or the body image, you know, whatever it may be, that's not what I want.

Terry 12:19

And the same route, you know, for the reverse, even for thin people, you know, you can't automatically assume that often, then and fit looking people are actually that they may, you know, just have a great metabolism, they may, you know, they've got their, oh, it's, it's somewhere in between there would be nice. Absolutely. In fact,

Sandy 12:40

I have something to mention about that, I get the feeling that health and appearance are really unrelated. There really is very little overlap, for example, as I was mentioning, at a certain point in time, and I do think that it was caused, mostly by comments on me being overweight, which I actually was not, when I was younger, I have fallen into very restrictive eating patterns, at certain points in my life, I would say near Emirates, I mean, it's not ever a tip, because I know what that is. And I would certainly not want to claim that I have been in a situation is dire as people that have undergone that. But I have been in situations where let's say over a period of a couple of years, I have had nothing but let's say let's say back in the early 90s, maybe only three slimfast shakes throughout the day. And that was the extent of my eating. So when I've done that, and when I've done that, I've coupled it with very, very extreme exercise routines. So that can be healthy. I mean, nobody would assume that that's healthy. But when I do that, I'm normally at my lowest weight. And normally when I'm at my lowest weight people come out of the woodwork, doctors, personal trainers, and everybody says, Oh, you look fantastic. You are the picture of health. Now I know I'm not the picture of how can I be the picture of though if I'm practically starving myself maybe even treating myself to what a diet coke now and then I mean, there's no way that that So, but I look quote unquote, very healthy. Now whenever I say okay, that's I mean enough with that let's let's try to actually get a little bit healthier. And I start you know, building in adding some more vegetables and fruits into the mix, which is normally something that many personal trainers suggest passing upon. Whenever I start adding, you know, more healthful foods, healthy proteins, healthy fats. Normally I'm kind of like at the weight that I am at now, which is a normal weight. However, when I'm at this weight, people normally say oh, you really let yourself go. So I mean, it's quite bizarre and people say oh, no, no, you need to take care of your health. I remember back when you look super healthy and I think Okay, that makes zero sense. So when I actually am healthy, people are saying that I look healthy. And then it's the other way around. That really makes no sense. And I think that's in line with what we see on social media and often in fitness magazines, all these Instagram influencers that are, you know, hashtag health and hashtag healthy life and hashtag in principle, and fitful and all of that, normally, what they're doing is they're only having diuretics for several days prior to their photo shoots. So obviously, their muscles look, very cut, they look very rich, they look fantastic, but there's just no way that they're healthy. And normally, they're posing with a smoothie, or they're posing with an apple. But those are not the things that they actually consume. Of course, that's not to say that that's the case with every single Instagram influencers, certainly, some people are naturally healthy, and they look healthy, or some people are naturally thin, or some people are naturally muscular. But that's not really the case. And I'm going to tell you something that you won't believe it'll blow your mind. Okay, you know how sometimes you see fitness magazines, and you see these people that you can tell that it's actually the same person, it's surely not very photoshopped, if at all. But you see how they go from, you know, flabby to Super fit. Okay, let me tell you, there's a technique that some companies used to get these impressive pictures, which is this, they go to a gym, and they find one of the fittest people, and they offer that person money to gain weight. So for right now, they keep up before picture, then they have that person gain weight, and then they snap a second picture, and then they just use them in the opposite way. So they use the one taken in the future as the before, and the one taken out as the after. So it's not really that somebody that was flabby got all ripped, somebody that got ripped, gained a little weight.

Terry 17:08

never would have thought of that mother

Sandy 17:11

raised me. Yeah, I know. It's very crafty, because we'll see, but pictures and they think, oh, it really is the same person, oh, this product must be like fantastic. And it's really not.

Roy Barker 17:22

So it's interesting. And we and then I think it's a good time to point out that, you know, when you go out into the world to hire trainers, die nutrition counselors need to make sure of their credentials, number one, but number two, if they tell you they've got a plan that they've helped 25 people with, you need to be thinking that, you know, everybody is not the same. And so really what you want is somebody to sit down with you and say, number one, what is your health you because you need to know, you know, the blood? The things I key on blood pressure, sugar, the glucose, you know, and I'm sure there's other things that a physician could point you into, but it's like, there are these markers in your life, what are those? And what do we need to do to make that healthier? Because you know, as you've said, you can, you can work on the body and you can make your body look one way, but that doesn't always translate into being healthy. And again, I think, you know, you pointed this out is that we tend to eat, equate those that Oh, that the thinner person, they must be healthy. And that is just certainly not the case. But just take care when we hire people to make sure that they have our best interest in mind, and that they take us as individuals to try to help us, number one, do what we want. But number two, look at our situation, where we are today for what it is.

Sandy 18:52

Definitely and also understand that a lot of claims made by personal trainers might not I mean, they do have an okay, here's the thing, exercise does not have necessarily a huge impact on body shape or type. It can certainly tone it can certainly tighten Titan, but it's not really linked to weight loss. That's like a separate thing. And many things that can be promised to you such as spot reducing, or dramatically changing your body type might not even be feasible for a number of reasons. For example, let's say that you have naturally very broad shoulders or very thick animals and those are your bugs. What can you do, there's nothing you can do, it's a bone, I mean, there's no reducing the size or the width or the length of a bone. So it's there are things that cannot really, really be changed. And that's okay. Exercise is still very important overall for a number of reasons health as you were mentioning, and even the social aspect I thought it was very interesting what you were mentioning toward the beginning of our conversation about mindset. And it's really very true. I have been working out for many years now. But I normally like to do that on my own, either at home or in a gym. But normally, on my own this to me exercise. Well, my favorite type of exercise is resistance, weight training. And I think that's very private, I think it's a very private thing. And it can also be a very intellectual exercise, in that you're trying to achieve a muscle mind connection in which you're focusing on what you're doing, you might even actually be taking notes as to this week, I was able to lift this amount. So it's something to me, that's a little bit personal. But in more recent years, especially after moving here to California, I did want to get involved in the more social aspects of working out. And for example, I saw that a lot of my friends were into running or jogging, or doing some kind of group fitness activity. And I wanted to join in what I felt like, how can I How can I do that? Well, I thought it was really, you know, it came down to mindset. I just signed up for different things I snapped started signing up for five keys for 10 case for stair climb challenge. And let me tell you, the reality is that I have never trained specifically for any of these events. But I just decided to talk to myself in a very positive way. Like, I'm sure I can do it. I've been working out even if it's not that specific type of exercise, but I've been working out for for many years, and I'm sure I'll do fine. And I actually did to find sometimes I think that we hesitate to join in fitness activities, because we think we won't be able to complete them or that they sound tremendously grueling. I mean, obviously, if you have any health concerns, you should check with a doctor. But if that's not really a concern, it's more a matter of, I really won't be able to do it, that's something you should just set aside. I do think that the way we speak to ourselves and to others has a lot of impact on our fitness and our health and even our weight. And I'm not even talking about this in a mystical way or in any kind of mystical shape or form. But for example, if I tell you, Roy and Terry, oh, you know, I'm a couch potato, I like hanging out at home snacking on potato chips. Whenever you go on a whitewater rafting trip, you won't invite me because you'll figure Oh, she won't enjoy it. Whenever you go on a hike or you go on a walk, you'll certainly not tell me to join it. If you come across information about a marathon or something, you won't send it over to me saying hey, you might want to join this because you wouldn't figure that I would be interested. However, even if I'm kind of lying at first, and I say, you know Roy, and Terry, I am so into fitness. I just love working out. I'm very outdoorsy. I just love that kind of thing. Whenever you come across information that you think I might like, you'll just send it over. And that will happen with my whole network of friends and acquaintances. And all of a sudden, just by virtue of saying, Oh, I'm very athletic. I just love this. I'm very interested in keeping in shape. I just love being healthy. I will be receiving information and invitations that will be actually helpful in leading me toward my goal.

Terry 23:42

Yeah, that's, I am one of those who I do not speak. I'm not very kind to myself. I mean, I just am not. And when I was reading about that in your book, that really, I went whitewater rafting about 1517 years ago. Never I'm not a fitness buff. I don't I think it's grew. You know, I just say that to myself. I think it's but I feel great. After I do it. It's just getting there. Yeah, that trip was awesome. I and I didn't get pitched out of the raft either. And that was my goal. But it was awesome. I never, I couldn't even imagine doing a 5k or a 10k. But after reading your book, I think I might be able to modify. Absolutely. In fact,

Sandy 24:33

you can walk it you can jog, if you can just complete it any way you like, and nobody's going to be upset about that. And it's very fun. You make friends. Super fun. Yeah,

Roy Barker 24:44

I think that's the important part is, you know, first off what you said is we need to give people the information and let them make the decision because, you know, basically if I say Oh, Sandy's a couch potato, she's over eating chips. She wouldn't want to go I'm making a decision for you. Instead of letting You make that decision. But then also the it's hard. But we have to get over that, that people that other people really even care what we're doing. I mean, I, when I think if you go, if you were able, if you just signed up for any kind of a run, that's a start, and I'm you know, I'm impressed number one. But if Who cares if you run halfway and walk halfway, you're still out there making progress. And you may not run the whole one the first time. But if you do 345, you may get where you run it all. And and then you know, we can talk about that too at the gym. People don't want to go to the gym, they don't want to go to group exercise, because they're overweight and all of this, but you know, what? People usually that are working out, they understand that maybe that's your starting point. And I think, I think they would be a lot kinder to you most of the time, you know, like the gym I go to, I'm overweight, but I never get looks or flak or anything, but I don't worry about it. I'm there for me, I try to stay in my lane and not worry. Well, number one, I guess I don't think anybody else even is going to give me the time of day. It's like they got their own stuff going on. So they're not worried about you know me. But anyway, just you just have to get out there. And another great example of that, I think, is yoga. And this is what I like about yoga is, well, the lady, I've got a DVD, she always says, Look, if you can't do this, here's a modification. And she always gives you something just to keep you moving.

Sandy 26:38

That's fantastic. And you're absolutely right, that most people are not paying that much attention to us. Absolutely. And certainly, I mean, there are Jensen, there are gyms, obviously you need to shop around and find one where you're where you're comfortable. And even. Here's the thing, a lot of people feel very self conscious while at the gym, because they feel like they look terrible. But that's partly because they are, you know, in very unflattering clothing. But I mean, these days, there are a lot of very flattering, very attractive workout clothes, in fact that leisure is big business, in the fashion industry. And I think if you feel that you look fine. I mean, regardless of body weight, body type, just knowing you look fine. Maybe in the case of women, maybe you can add a little mascara, little lip gloss, maybe a little self tan or something to make you feel more comfortable, as a guy, maybe a nice looking tailor t shirt, something that makes you feel more confident. That goes a long way. I think the reason we don't feel comfortable is because we feel we're not at our best. And that's always a little bit difficult.

Terry 27:45

I just want to cover I mean, you just want to cover it up. I I'm one of those who I used to wear big baggy shirts and sweats and you just cover everything up because I wasn't where I wanted to be. But I don't think I've ever been where I wanted to be. But you know, a few years ago, I shed some weight. And so I started wearing clothing that fit. You know, I forgot what that felt like, because I've just been trying to cover it up.

Sandy 28:11

Exactly. And wearing baggy clothes tends to be so counterproductive. Because it doesn't hide anything. It just makes you look all the more bulky. So it's really not a flattering look on on anyone really. But I do think that the fact that you decided to move away from that is an excellent sign. Because to me, it seems that it it just shows that you had a lot more confidence. And surely you discovered that that was far more flattering. Not only because it actually and objectively is more flattering, because it's just less, it adds less volume to your to your body. But also because it's a sign of feeling confident and a lot of the way people perceive you. And the way that you actually look on a physical level has to do with your confidence level. And if you were feeling more confident, it's very clear to me that you surely look far more attractive. on a physical level. It's

Terry 29:06

very interesting. Yeah, and I just got rid, I mean, I just stopped thinking about all the noise, the outside noise, you know, and not about my ego just it is what it is. And if you don't like it go, you know, here I am. Whatever you think is not my business who say that a lot?

Roy Barker 29:25

Well, it's a you know, it translates the mindset, and we talk about this in business, as well as our personal life is that a lot of times we tend to be so hard on ourselves that we need to give ourselves a break and say look, you know, basically like you said, it is what it is. I can't change this. In the next 10 minutes. Usually, it's going to take time, but if I take those baby steps, you know they all add up is kind of like walking during the day, you know, it'd be it's, sometimes I can't go out and do 5000 steps all at one time. But if I do, like this watch, it makes me do 250. It makes me do 250 every hour. So if I stick with that, at the end of the day, you know, before I go walk, and I'm starting out with 20 503,000 steps, so we have to be moving in that right direction. And there's never a better time to start than today.

Sandy 30:23

Absolutely, no, absolutely, that's the whole thing, once you get started, that's the way that's the way it goes. There's a saying in Spanish that my grandma used to say, which would loosely translate to, when it comes to eating or scratching a niche, the first thing to do is just start. And the same would apply to fitness, whenever you want to get fit, the first thing to do is just start and you'll find that, that you will keep on going in that direction. And I think that's also very important these days for men. Because I feel that in recent years, let's say standards of perfection holding forth have been a little bit more relaxed for women, at least to a certain point. And well, I mean, sometimes you see, magazine covers these days, when you have female celebrities or female models in there, let's say average person, wait, even Victoria's Secret has decided to do away with their Victoria's Secret angels campaign, there's no longer point to be any Victoria's Secret show, we've come to know it. However, when it comes to men, I think that Well, I mean, standards have been raised dramatically, I've seen that a lot of male actors these days, they are tremendously ripped, and they're expected to be either shirtless or full on naked in their movies. And it's just crazy. A lot of male actors have actually, you know, made a career out of that type of thing. And some have, let's say, maybe strengthened or, you know, like really solidified their career upon becoming very, very, very athletic looking. And even on a more, let's say, on a level that's outside of Bollywood, for example, a lot of male CEOs, instead of having their friends join them for drinks, they have their friends join them for rock climbing, or that kind of an activity. So I feel like it's, it's this very alpha male thing these days. And I think that's also something that, I mean, I'm glad that that standards are being a little bit more relaxed for females, but I'm a little concerned that guys might experience what women used to experience these days. And it's also important for teenage boys, you go on to teenage boys Instagrams these days, and it's a bunch of shirtless kids, you know, showing off their abs and their pecs and visma I think that's not super healthy. It can't be it's, it's something that really does a number on people's mindset when you cannot live up to that expectation.

Roy Barker 33:05

Yeah. Speaking of that, I'm not gonna mention his name. But there was a singer that's pretty popular now, that was doing an interview with one of the major networks, and it was a tape so they, you know, they had they showed the clip, and it went away. And so the, the interviewer just made the comment, like, I've known this guy for years and said, I haven't seen him with a shirt on in the last six years. So yeah, there's a lot to be said for, you know, I mean, it's just not me, even if I was at my, my optimal weight and body shape and all of that I probably wouldn't do an interview on a national network shirtless. So, you know, I always feel like that there's more to that most people show up no matter. You know, some of the bigger way calm action movie stars that are ripped and buffed, they usually show up with a shirt on. So there's a little bit to kind of what you're saying there. They you know, they've got this image and I feel like it's an extra draw.

Terry 34:05

Yeah, it's very strange that they it's totally turned the tide. Now they're all eye candy. You know, that's why.

Sandy 34:14

But there's another trend that I I can see that it could be, let's say unhealthy in a certain way. But I also kind of like it for another reason. This other trend that I'm mentioning is the fact that people okay, when I was a little girl, people that reached 30 were thought to be over the hill. Oh, they were middle aged. Oh, they were so old. In this day and age, you can be 6070, late 70s 80. And you're supposed and expected to look super hot, whether you're a man or a woman. Now, again, that's I kind of don't like it because it might be unrealistic for some, but I also kind of do like it because it's just, it's Just fantastic to not limit ourselves, I wouldn't want to say, well as the years Come, I'll have no choice but to just let myself go. And I'll just be this flabby old lady in a rocking chair. No, I don't think that that would be either necessary or expected or desired. And I see now that there are plenty of role models that show that you can look extraordinarily good. No matter what your age, like, for example, going to male option stars, you have like a Robert Downey Jr. Or even a Brad Pitt. They're in their late 60s now, or people like Jay low, mid 50s. I mean, they look great. And they will continue to look great. 10 years from now, 20 years from now. And that's something that again, yes, I mean, you cannot hold yourself up to Hollywood standards. But it's good that we do see role models, so that we don't automatically assume Okay, let's think of a seven year old, okay, I'm thinking of somebody in a rocking chair, you know, like all dried up or, you know, terrible. No, when you think somebody like 6065 70, now, it can be somebody very sexy, very physically appealing from a conventional point of view, it can be somebody very vibrant, somebody's very active. And, you know, that's something that I've liked about joining in races and these kinds of challenges, that you see people that are clearly, I don't know, not teenagers anymore, or definitely not in their 20s or 30s. And they look amazing, and more importantly, their athletic performance is excellent. So that's also very interesting to watch. Yeah,

Terry 36:40

I was gonna say Helen Mirren, we can't say talk about this without mentioning her because he, oh my gosh, her in the bikini of how many, like four years ago? Oh, how old she is. She's 70. Some, maybe early 70s. I don't even know. But she looks great. He says

Roy Barker 36:59

it's a it's a good observation. Because like you when I was growing up, and you know, if you think about the age, like 6065, people were, they were they were, they were inactive in the rocking chair, you know, sitting in front of the TV and not really taking part. I think that's a, I think that's been a good part of our evolution is that we don't, we don't put those age boundaries on us anymore. We're like, um, you know, I'm of this age, I can do whatever, I may not be as fast as the next guy. But who cares, I'm out there doing my thing. And then the more people we get to join in of those ages, then the better it is, it's like, then everybody feels welcoming to do it. And because it's, that's another part of this, that I don't think we talk about enough. But it's that, you know, decisions that we make, as a younger person, lead into how we age. And that's one thing that, you know, I've kind of had a wake up about lately, you know, I've passed, he just had a birthday, I had a birthday not too long ago, that was pretty tough. And so but you know, it makes you think about, okay, well, if I'm in poor shape, I got poor eating habits. I don't exercise enough. What's that going to lead to in 20 years from now. And you know, because we don't want to be a burden on our family on our kids. We all want to live a healthy, vibrant life, you know, right up until the end. So I think these are things that you've got to take into consideration. early in life, we all think that we're 30 and bulletproof. But unfortunately, if you're lucky enough to live long enough, those things will catch up with you.

Sandy 38:39

That's absolutely true. But something that should give people a little bit of, let's say, comfort, is that in many cases, you can actually be healthier, possibly fitter, and possibly even look better from a conventional standpoint, as you age rather than when you were younger. A lot of teenagers have terrible eating habits, a lot of very young people like to say they assume they're bulletproof. So they're just feeding themselves terrible things their skin might be suffering, the consequences. They might be. Well, there's another thing when you're very young, often your confidence level is not at its peak. So oftentimes, that also plays a part in you're not looking your best. A lot of young people don't actually go to the gym or workout much. But sometimes when people get a little older, let's say late 30s 40s 50s, late 50s, and so on, they kind of have a wake up call, and they say, okay, no, no, I need to turn things around. And they actually start taking action. And all of a sudden, they look and feel amazing, way better than when they were younger. And I think we can actually think about people in our own lives or celebrities that we don't want to think about our circle of friends that look way better now than they did 20 years ago, I mean, for sure. I mean, a lot of people even, for example, Robert Downey Jr, that I mentioned, right now he's an athletic man, he is known to be an action star in his 20s. He was like a, you know, a very pale kind of golf like person. I mean, so again, I think he looks better now as a 16 year old man than he did about 20. Or even in the case of myself, I know, I was healthier, fitter, and probably in my physical prime, probably around 40. And not around 20. That's for certain at 20. I mean, I was very fit, but I was not very healthy. And I was not, I did not have much muscle tone, because that was not a thing that was popular back then. But a 40 or so I was modeling swimsuits. So I mean, it's, it's interesting that that really, age does not really played a huge role in that regard.

Roy Barker 40:58

Yeah, and we're getting rid of some of our bad habits, like, you know, the smoking and drinking to access, I think society is like, you know, we're moving away. But the, you know, the new smoking now is sitting in a chair and setting for your job, or sitting in front of a TV or sitting in front of game console. I mean, there's a lot of reasons for it. So you know, I think it's just part of the message is also just get out and get moving, you have to move every day. And the great thing about this time of life, was the period that we're in now is that, that you have so many options, we've got the gym, where you can do the weights, you can do all kinds of cardio equipment, we've got the wall, yeah, you got virtual, we got the mirror thing that leads you on it, we've got the group's you know, they have that meat out in the park, that they do different movements and yoga, we can play videos on the TV that do yo and some other you know, cardio type stuff, core work. It's just, we've got so much at our disposal that I just would encourage everybody, just find something you like you don't have to do the same thing every day, you can mix it up, but at least start exploring something that you can do and continue to do through your life because it's not only your physical health, but it's also your brain health.

Sandy 42:27

Yes, and definitely select, like you were saying a type of exercise that you enjoy personally. And also, it's a very good idea to match your workout for the day, to your mood. For example, if you're feeling tremendously stressed out and frazzled, maybe something like yoga, or Pilates, or something that might be a little bit more relaxing, might work well, if you're feeling a dip in confidence, definitely, I would say weight training is very good because you see your achievement, or you feel your achievement. If you're feeling aggressive, because you need to get rid of extra aggression, maybe you're mad at something or frustrated with something, maybe a boxing workouts something around those lines, that would be very good. And if you're just bored, and you can't come to, you can't bring yourself to actually do anything, what I would do is I would find mystery or suspense audio book, and listen to or a podcast maybe about true crime or something that's very intriguing. And I would listen to it as I was doing my workout. And I would only exclusively continue listening next time I worked out. So then obviously if I'm left with a cliffhanger, I'm going to be looking forward to working out the following day for sure. Oh, that's

Terry 43:43

a great idea.

Roy Barker 43:44

Well, you know, like, for me, taking a little walk during the day we try to we don't we're not great about consistency. But you know, going for that walk in the morning, and especially at lunch or in the evening, it's tends to clear my head and be think I have a lot of clarity of thoughts, either thinking of new things, or maybe I'm working on the problem I'm trying to solve and I just can't figure out you know, how this is all fitting together. You just be surprised at how clear your mind becomes when you just get away from things and even just take a little walk.

Terry 44:20

Yeah, and outside. You know, just go outside for a minute. Just if you just need to go and stand just look, look up to the sky, close your eyes don't look into the sun, but you know, just looking at I did that a while ago a little while ago and that just brought a lot of clarity. Believe

Sandy 44:40

fantastic. I also give a little tip in the book. It may not be for everyone, but I think that it's it can be helpful. Sometimes if you need motivation motivation to embark on a fitness program. Sometimes what you can do is put a cart before the horse in other ways you go to To your calendar or your date book, and you schedule something in the future that will require you to be in peak physical shape. It could be a 5k, it could be a bikini shoot, it could be a meeting with your former classmates, it could be whatever you personally feel will motivate you, and you put it on your calendar. And then you do a little countdown so that you know how many days you have to go. And just looking at that number will, at least it does to me, it gets me going, definitely, if I know I'm three weeks away from you have a TV show or the meeting with classmates, or whatever I do, you know, I'm there at the gym at five in the morning. And I'm not, you know, eating anything that should not be eaten. So I think it works.

Roy Barker 45:50

That's good motivate, I was thinking when you first started talking, I was thinking you were gonna say, you know, like, go out and buy your dress to dress sizes too small. So you can try them because that's a that's a motivator for me is I've got a, you know, a couple shirts that are way too small at this point. But you know, you go in there and try them on and you can see your progress. And it kind of gives you a little extra boost to get, keep going.

Sandy 46:15

I love that that's a wonderful idea. And you know, I have seen that the opposite tends to happen. So don't do the opposite. When people buy things one size too large, you actually grow you expand to fill up that garment. So don't. So that's something that you should definitely not do.

Roy Barker 46:32

Yeah, and I don't know that this happens for everybody. But you know, part of the problem with buying those baggy clothes is not only tend to fill them, but you become more comfortable. Like I don't really have any motivation to change them. But, you know, like when I put a T shirt on, that's like pretty snug. It gives me a lot more motivation to like, hey, I need to really keep on this program to make some changes. So it's not so tight because I can't wear it on public.

Terry 46:59

Yeah, or being able to breathe. Better a little too tight.

Sandy 47:05

Yes. I mean, this might sound a little bit like too obsessive. But I have heard that there are studies that show that if you eat in front of a mirror, you tend to make more healthful choices. Of course, I wouldn't necessarily recommend eating in front of a mirror because that sounds a little bit too, too obsessive. But it's, I think it maybe we wouldn't go that far. But I do think that before you make an unhealthy food choice, not only thinking in terms of what will this do to my body on a visceral level, but what will this do to my mood? And how will I feel after eating this thing. I've had the experience that sometimes I'm very tempted by say, a pizza, and I eat a pizza and my maybe a whole pizza. And my experience is that after eating it, I feel sluggish. I feel like a carb coma, I'm not comfortable. I just feel like very unhealthy and very unhappy. It's depressing overall. So sometimes what I do in order to just not eat that, is to think, think back on how I felt the last time I actually think that and I just remember, you know, it's really not worth it. It's not even that tasty. So it's just a matter of remembering how we feel when we eat things that we shouldn't be eating.

Terry 48:27

Yeah, and I feel I mean, I do feel better after I eat something that's after I eat a salad. You know, I never used to be able to get excited about salads or vegetables. I I'm a I'm a sugar, person, sugar and salt. Give me Give me some chips and chocolate, I'm good. But I just I feel a lot better after I eat something that is healthy for me and not pouring off on all the salad sweet. And, you know, caloric laced salad dressings and all of that just a little oil and vinegar, a couple of crude John's or some sunflower seeds or whatever. Just, it makes me feel a lot better. After I do that.

Roy Barker 49:06

There was a star that said something about you know, even if you eat a candy bar or ice cream, it's like you get, you know, five minutes worth of pleasure eating it. But what does it take to make that go away? You know, the effort that you have to put in or, you know, the damage that it can do to certain people if you know they have certain conditions. So we always have to think about that. That's It's good. It's hard to do for me because I'm like, oh, I'll eat it and think about it later.

Terry 49:35

The immediate pleasure that it's gonna bring Yeah, and then all

Roy Barker 49:38

we need to start thinking about what it what it is and what it does before we eat it. That'd be great. Yeah. Well, Sandy, thank you so much for being with us today. We certainly do appreciate it before we get away. What is a tool or what is a habit? Something that you do daily that you feel adds a lot of value to your life

Sandy 49:59

when it comes To fitness, I think that's something that adds value is knowing that every day, I get fitter every day I get healthier, and that allows me to enjoy and relish the passage of time, rather than fearing the passage of time. So that's something that I would recommend that our listeners engage in something that is measurable. It could be endurance wise, it could be how much weight can I lift? It can be how long can I work out? It can be how, what distance can I run? It can it could even be how much weight can I lose without obsessing, of course, but something that is measurable, will make every passing day feel good? Not like Oh, another day pass? No, it's like, oh, it's a brand new day. It's fantastic. I'm doing better than before.

Terry 50:46

I love that you you give some advice, but you also back it up with examples. And I'm, I'm a visual person. So I you know, I can see it in my head, what you're talking about. And this is how you wrote wrote your book, I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was an easy read not mean for me just to follow because you didn't go off on tangents or anything. It was like, to the point straight to the point. And I and I enjoyed that. And I just wanted to make sure that you knew that. Thank you so much.

Roy Barker 51:19

Yeah, I think the that's the nice thing, like the the brand of watch. Switch watches not long ago. But that's what I like about it is it gives accuse you for that smaller step, that if I take the smaller steps through the day, at the end of the day, you know, I've got decent results already without really you know, having to go out and do things. So take it that negative and let's turn it into a positive find something that you can measure. You know, we can't change what we don't measure something that's always said as well. So good advice. Yes. Well, thank you so much again, Sandy, we appreciate it. Tell us a little bit about the book where people can find it. And then you know how people could reach out if they want to connect with you.

Sandy 52:05

Absolutely. The book is called "Choose to Prevail" by Sandy Rodriguez, I actually have here with me. And it's a book that's available pretty much on any online platform, for example, Amazon or Barnes and noble.com or target.com walmart.com many different places where it can be found, probably Amazon would be the easiest. And if they click here to connect while we're on Instagram, as at choose to prevail. There's also a Facebook group called "Choose to Prevail." And I'll be more than happy to welcome anybody that cares to join us there.

Terry 52:40

And it's about reframing challenges.

Sandy 52:43

Yes, not only in fitness, but in life in general how to overcome any issue that might be tripping us up, some of us struggle with things that are big, such as, for example, the death of a loved one. Some of us struggle with something small, for example, of physical insecurity, or dealing with a difficult person. And all of these things can be managed more easily, with a shift in mindset. And that's what the book is

Roy Barker 53:08

all about. Yeah. All right. Awesome. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty. Of course, I'm your host, Roy. I'm Terry, you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. If we're not on one that you listened to please reach out we'd be glad to add, add it to our list. And we're also on all the major social media platforms, so probably the most active on Instagram. So go check us out and check out the website for a lot of our past interviews. And go over there and you can watch and watch a video of this interview with Sandy as well as get the audio version for her share with your friends. Alright, until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your family.

Terry 53:57

Thank you

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Stuck In Your Life or Career? Could be Your Subconscious Sabotaging You with Dawna Campbell

We all want to feel valued, both worthy and appreciated. The subconscious works is that from the moment you were conceived till the day you exit this earth, it records every moment. So it records all of the events. And it records how you feel moment by moment to those events, and puts those feelings and emotions to the events. Then a template to create a reality.

About Dawna

Known as the Mind Whisperer, Dawna combines her past knowledge, wisdom, and experience to assist you in creating and restoring a life of happiness, prosperity, and love.

Dawna has over 25 years combined years of professional experience. As a former Financial Advisor, her book, Financially Fit, is a #1 Amazon International Best Seller bringing together the world of money and the energy body, and the souls essence.

She is a professional speaker sharing her techniques during interactive workshops and maintains an international private practice. Dawna has shared the stage with Lisa Nichols, Dr. Joe Vitale, Sharon Lechter, and David Meltzer.

Her personal Heart Centered Healing philosophy is to create a world that is a better place for all to live.

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Stuck In Your Life or Career? Could be Your Subconscious Sabotaging You with Dawna Campbell

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

eating, energy, breathing, feel, feeling, body, dairy, food, world, stress, people, changed, mindset, day, find, create, fed, pattern, diet, serotonin

SPEAKERS

Terry, Dawna, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:00

And we are the podcast of course we bring you our personal journey, my personal journey Terry support in trying to get healthy. You know, as I've been aging, I think the wellness factor is, you know, it's finally a realization I know I need to deal with. So we don't want to outlive our wellness. I don't want to be a burden to anybody for certain. So we are going through, you know, some changes in our diet, trying to exercise more, be more active and just be more mindful and thoughtful about what we're doing. We know that we're not alone. So that's main reason we started this podcast. So not only do we talk about our journey, but we also have guests and professionals from time to time. Today is no different. Terry, I'll let you introduce Dawna.

Terry 00:44

All right, Dawna Campbell is a professional speaker, international healer and bestseller author. She teaches trains and mentors heart centered business owners, how to align your inner balance to gain infinite prosperity in all areas of your life. As a former financial advisor Dawna's book financially fit is a number one Amazon international bestseller bringing together the world of money and the energy world of the soul's essence. She is also a contributing author to other best selling books, including one habit to have in a post COVID world and cracking the rich code with Tony Robbins and Jim Britt. Dawna shares her techniques that she has learned all around the world from yoga, yoga, yoga, healers, Zen Buddhist monks and a medicine woman while maintaining a private practice. This has earned Dawna the title of the mind whisperer for creating instantaneous results in the areas of health, wellness and relationships. Dawna has over 25 years of experience and has shared the stage with notables such as Lisa Nichols, Dr. Joe Vitale, share Lecter Lecter and Kevin Harrington. She has been featured on Roku TV, Yahoo Finance, Fox News, NBC and the Los Angeles Tribune. Her personal heart centered healing philosophy is to create a world that is a better place for everyone. Dawna, welcome to the show.

Dawna 02:14

Thank you. And thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here with you today.

Terry 02:19

Yeah, well, I am so excited to talk about this. I mean, I don't even know where to start, because I have so many questions in energy healing and financial advising on like that meshing of those worlds.

Dawna 02:38

Yes, and I, the former financial advisor, we would look at client's portfolios and talk about net worth, and how much their assets appreciated, and the value and if they had enough for their goals. And as I transitioned into the world of healing after my own journey, clients, I realized we're saying the exact same thing, I want to know that I felt worthy that I'm enough that I was valued and appreciated when I was little. And then one day a couple years ago, it clicked that it's the same words we're using. So it has the same vibrational frequency behind it. So if you didn't feel like you are enough, on the inside, you didn't have enough on the outside financially. And money by itself is just energy. And it doesn't do anything until you apply energy to it. And the energy that gets applied is how you feel about yourself on the inside. So when I started working with clients, whether it was in the area of health, for what was going on with them physically, or if it was in a relationship, whether it was marriage, or family, or even in the areas of wealth, whatever, we shifted and changed every single time their finances started improving, because we were changing the route of how they felt. So everything in their life became better.

Terry 04:05

Wow, interesting. That makes a lot of sense. I mean, you know, some of our guests that we've had, we've had functional medicine physicians, I mean, it's all about going back to the root of everything. Yes, it is.

Roy Barker 04:22

So what are what would be some of the main I guess some of the main areas that you see as that route and the reason I ask is because you know, I have trouble staying on a good eating a good balanced eating plan. And so you know, I've at points in time I've tried to think back, you know, of any trauma or something that was undealt with or, you know, the negative energy. I feel like for the most part, you know, until I have a podcast equipment malfunction, I'm usually I'm usually pretty, pretty positive. I have to admit that I have thrown a shoe every now and then, you know, for stuff. But, you know, so I just, you know, I think about me personally. And always, I don't mind using myself as an excuse or as the subject because, you know, I want to, I want to try to find the root of this poor eating or, you know, just kind of fallen off because like, we'll do good for two, three days, we've done good for months at a time, but it is like, you know, the minute something goes wrong, it's like, everything goes wrong, and it's just you're not back on track. So or for me, anyway, yeah.

Dawna 05:36

Right. So the way the subconscious works is that from the moment you were conceived till the day you exit this earth, it records every moment. So it records all of the events. And it records how you feel moment by moment to those events, and puts those feelings and emotions to the events. And then from that it starts giving you a template to create a reality from because it's like the coding or the system. And that becomes automated. Now, when we understand and take a look at what is at the root of it. What we want to do is see how you feel in this moment when things go wrong. And then all at once you're eating more food, and you did great for like three months. But now it's like this, because there's an energy there, which is an emotion or a feeling. So we start there in the consciousness. And then we find going back by asking questions, where it first started in the subconscious where that energy was, and where it got locked in your body. Now, it may not be a traumatic event. And it may not even be an event that's associated to what you were doing, because we're following the feeling and the emotion to unlock it out of the body to stop causing harm. And then we invite in the emotion and feelings that we want to have health, goodness, kindness, it might be prosperity, it might just be feeling better, it might just be happiness, and we invite those energies in to take the place of what we're taking out. And this my job is why I'm called the mind whisper is to help you find what was hidden to you and change that frequency. So is the subconscious creates a new pattern moving forward?

Roy Barker 07:30

Interesting. Okay. And you said that sometimes it's not a traumatic event, it's just a is it? Is it still tied to an event? Or is it just kind of like maybe changes in life or something not like physical changes, but you know, like, as you progress through age, things just change

Terry 07:51

the same feeling goes with,

Dawna 07:54

right? So say somebody was working on their finances. And they wanted to know and understand why they weren't getting more. They were wanting to create more, but it just didn't happen. And I'll use myself as an example. And I remember when I was sitting there going, Okay, I need to go from this level of my business to this next level. But I'm not getting it. I'm not there. How come? How does this feel? Well, I'm frustrating, of course, well, where do I feel the frustration I have in my body. And I felt it kind of in my heart, but also in my stomach. And when I traced it back, I went, when did I feel that before and I instantly recall the time that I was shopping at the store with my mom, I asked for an item. And I got told no, and all the reasons why we couldn't afford this, you know, $2 item. And, and I was made to feel less than and not worthy in that moment, because I asked for something. And that was wrong to ask for it. So my subconscious brain associated feeling less than in that moment that was unrelated, and created that pattern that I couldn't ask for something that I wanted, because I was always less than, and I was made to feel ashamed for it. And when I changed that, I changed it to Well, I want to have happiness. So I wanted to experience that happiness. And what I discovered was, I was worthy whether I had the item on the outside or not, and that I was always enough and that something on the outside didn't validate me or who I was and when that changed the next level of business. Okay, because we changed the frequency on the subconscious side. So the event still happened, how I felt about the event was completely different and That changed everything else in my world.

Terry 10:03

Wow, I felt that I felt that feeling that you were talking about I mean, just with being told no. And the reasons why. And I mean, I have felt that and I can't even put my finger on it. That's bizarre. I've never had it explained. So well, you know, because I'm not I'm like on a quest to find out about energy and what's going on with me and different things like and ROI as as well, you know, just different things. As far as like the eating habits, as well, and just being healthy all together, because, you know, he said, he says, I'm his support, but he's my support as well, it's not, it's about me being healthy. Also, you know, we just, we both, we both want it.

Dawna 10:54

Absolutely. And I will tell you, one of the biggest places where most of the locked energy is at is in the stomach, in the guts. And there's a couple of reasons for that. The first reason is that when you were conceived, you're were connected to your mom, by an umbilical cord. So she fed you nutritionally in that. So that was the start of our eating patterns. But she also fed you emotionally with every thought feeling, and emotion she had, that also went straight into your stomach. So that's why it's called the second Ray, because you were fed all of those things energetically. And that went into your cells as your cells multiplied to create you. And then you were connected by your father through DNA. So whatever he went through that portion of the DNA that you have, if his also the same thing, so that's where the whole eating pattern really does start was when we're being formed in the womb. So some of the work we get to go back to that time, not necessarily, if you know things about what happened when your mom was pregnant with you, that's great, but how things might have felt and how we can clear out some of that energy that's not yours, that started your pattern when you were first born.

Roy Barker 12:13

It's funny that you say that, well, we've learned a lot about the stomach that it you know, a lot of, I guess a lot of things start there, a lot of the, with the stress, stress has the effect on it, but so like when I'm eating good, and but my, you know, my triggers tend to be late at night. But it's funny, because like, Okay, before we go to bed, I'll feel hungry, and I want something, you know, I just want it, I don't need it. But I get this empty feeling kind of in my stomach and in my chest. And it's weird, because we've talked about this, like, it's almost like that I have to be full to feel, I guess that safe and comfort or whatever, where you can go lay down and sleep. I don't know how, how any of that related, but sounds like there may be something to to that same, you know, to that feeling that I get relating back to this.

Dawna 13:11

So what we would do is explore that feeling of emptiness, and then identify when it really first started and what was going on in your life around that. And whatever those events are, we would take a look at that. And then we would find out what it was that you needed. Because we can put in what was needed at that time to release the emptiness. And if it was empty, you need to be filled with something right. So we can do that. Because physics says there's no time or space. So when we make those changes, then you go to bed feeling full, satisfied whole and complete without the emptiness. You're not craving the food.

Terry 13:52

Wow.

Roy Barker 13:53

Yeah, that's awesome. And yeah, I probably need to do it. Come on. So, you know, let's let's just talk about energies in themself. You know, we, we have talked some about it we, you know, I think Terry actually had talked to someone I guess it was, did your sister recommend or something? Yeah, the energies. But, you know, it's an interesting concept. Because the older I get, the more I feel like, you know, the universe is does have an effect on us and the energies that we put out, you know, sometimes we receive that back, it's the energy of weaken, we get to make the decision. If this is going to be a failed day or not, typically, you know, if we believe it is then it will come true. So can you talk a little bit about all of those energies and how they kind of relate?

Dawna 14:53

Yes, um, how we feel creates the next moment and the next moment and the next moment after that. So if you're in the energy of stress or worry or anger, then you're going to keep repeating those moments. And if you're eating at that time of stress, worry, anger excetera, those are the emotional components, you're feeding yourself. And then it's going to break down your entire digestive system. I know this because I got to experience it firsthand for myself for over two years, and I can talk about that. But if we're in the state of the happiness, the joy, the peace, the balance, then what happens is, our body is more relaxed, it becomes healthier. And if we're eating in that state, we're able to properly digest our food, instead of on the run in the car, driving around in that state. And how you get up in the morning is probably one of the most important things that you can do. Let me get a clean piece of paper here. Very first thoughts you have when you wake up are incredibly important. Now I'm one that likes to stay in bed as long as possible. Before I get up and run around and get ready for the day, but I always make sure I have plenty of time. But I used to get up out of the bed going, Oh gosh, I'm so tired. And I just want to stay in bed and I want to sleep in. And I changed my mindset, doing some of the work that I do. But I learned about a week and a half ago, that March 31 in Japan numerology is like the luckiest day of the year. Now, when I found out I found out on March 30. So I went, well, tomorrow's March 31. It's going to be the luckiest day of the year. So I got up on March 31. Going, it's the luckiest day of the year, I need to celebrate something. So I started celebrating all of my small little wins, self validation, and all of that, and I had a really great day. And I went, Oh, that works really well. It's April 1, it's the luckiest day ever. So now every morning since then I wake up, and I start thinking, Oh, it is the luckiest day ever. What am I going to celebrate? How am I going to celebrate? And what happens is immediately my mood is lifted up. I'm instantly happy. I get up, I go on about my day. And then I'm like, early to everything. And then all of these amazing things fall into place. What happened to my diet by doing this? Guess who's now drinking wheatgrass juice? Who does a pumpkin seed protein mix? And started eating salad at lunch? Oh, wow. Never would I ever do that. Because I have a hard time digesting salad after my own digestion issues. But now I've been eating salad every day. And I'm like, Hmm, this is starting to work. Just by thinking that it's the luckiest day ever.

Roy Barker 17:58

See, and I wake up in my day starts with Can somebody get this dog off. I have cats, they just got an 80 pound foot pillow down there that you know you like pinned in, you can't even get up. Now. That's interesting. Because, you know, we've talked a lot on this show, too, about that mindset, and that it's and I give my priest as much credit for this as possible, because he told me once that our minds are like grinders, and we get to choose what we grind. If we're grinding negative stuff all day, it's just gonna continue where if we grind positive stuff, it will just continue to multiply. And the other thing I think, too, it's not only the because things are gonna happen to us outside of our control, but I think it is, it's related to how we handle it, you know, if I'm already if I'm already having a spell, and something new comes on top of it's like, you know, you just to your breaking point. Whereas, you know, like dogs barking in the background. But whereas, you know, if things are going good and you're happy in that mindset, it just seemed like you're able to handle things a little bit better.

Dawna 19:15

And mindset is only a part of it. Because the 10% we are consciously aware of the other 90% is hidden in the subconscious and is continually playing kind of like background noise, but we don't hear it. We don't know. But it's out there and it is other people might pick up on it. But we ourselves don't hear it and we're like a radio tower. It's always being broadcasted out. So we don't always know all of that we're sending out. It's kind of like when you're getting ready to go to like a sales meeting, and you're walking down the hallway and you know, if it's going to be a really good sales meeting, and everyone's gonna be congratulated, or nobody made their sales numbers and you're kind of all in trouble. You feel that loss Before you start walking down the hallway to the meeting, all right, well, that's exactly how it works in our energy field. And what you're feeling is, is all the subconscious thoughts, energies and emotions leaving the person's body. And so mindset, yes, to be consciously aware of how we're going to start our day. But there's that 90%. That's that tape loop that's always playing in the background.

Roy Barker 20:23

Interesting. So, if we're always putting that out, let's talk for a minute about the old, saying, it's the We Are the average of the five people that we surround ourselves, you know, do we soak up that neg negative or positive energy from somebody that we are around in that subconscious?

Dawna 20:47

Because what happens is, is you are in a shared energy field with them. And if you hang out with five people, and they are not of the same mindset, as you are there, always a lot of anger or chaos or drama around it, you start absorbing that that goes in your energy field. And then pretty soon you have anger, drama and chaos in your life. And you're like, how did I get here. And if you were around five people that were of a different vibrational frequency, a different mindset, a different feeling, then that's going to raise you and elevate you, as well. And one of the Buddhist monks, I think it was one of the Dalai Lama's said, the very most important thing that you can do is to be mindful of the company that you've keep. And that's when we have friends, we vibrate here, and then pretty soon some leave, and then new ones come in, but they feel different than the old ones. And then you are no longer talking to the old friends, because you're talking to the new friends. And it's just because of how energy attracts vibrationally through the law of magnetism. Wow.

Roy Barker 21:53

Okay. Yeah. What No, it is, I mean, and you just, you just feel better. And, you know, you can tell those people that, you know, we call them, you know, the energy suckers, but it's like, you know, you can be all pumped up, and then there's people you can get around, and when you leave, you just feel like a wilted flower, like they just suck.

Terry 22:16

have nothing left,

Dawna 22:18

you're depleted, you have to go to sleep for the next four hours. Yes.

Roy Barker 22:22

So how does, you know some things that we always talk about too, is our exercise patterns, our sleep patterns? How does all of that play into this as well?

Dawna 22:34

It does, because how you digest your food will affect your sleep patterns. Now, in order for us to sleep, we have to have the proper mix of melatonin which is produced in the pineal gland in our brain. In order to have them bright melatonin, we have to have the right amount of serotonin to produce the right amount of melatonin. So this is just a continual cycle. Most of the serotonin is produced in the digestive system. So if you are not eating the correct foods to produce serotonin, you're going to get depleted. And every time we use our electronics, whether it's our phone, video games, zoom all of it, we get a little surge of serotonin flashing through our brain, and if it doesn't replace through the digestive tract and what we are eating, then we become depleted if we get too depleted in serotonin, we become depressed. But if you have the right mix of serotonin, then Melatonin is properly synthesize, and you have a balanced sleeping pattern. So the sleeping is out of balance, or you can't sleep or you're constantly waking up, it could be your diet.

Roy Barker 23:48

You know, we've, I don't think it's too early in the process to say that we, we've been thinking about the cutting down on our meat protein, and we have kind of been looking, I guess, the last week or so we've been doing pretty much plant base. And because, and we've been doing the, I guess the intermittent fasting for this reason, we've been, you know, again, told a lot of times that our body spends about 80% of its energy digesting our food. So if we eat all day long, it's constantly doing that and I was just st talented this morning that I just wake up feeling so much better. And the other thing we're doing, we're quitting eaten, you know, like at six or seven, so I don't get to have my 10 o'clock, you know, Taco Bell snack or pizza or whatever, you know, whatever we can find laying around so I'm sure that has something to do with it. But the other odd thing is I have an arm that I have some inflammation in some of the tendons and I said you know eating good. The inflammation it's like it just disappeared overnight. I mean, like magic,

Terry 25:05

like two days, or

Dawna 25:07

I don't that's Yes, because the diet plays such an important role. And we don't think about it. By eating more of a plant based diet, you're eating food that is created by lights. And light energy is what we need in our body, for our soul for our spirits. Interesting. You can still eat meat, be mindful about the meat. And I say that because it also depends on your blood type, which I learned, oh, when I lived in the ashram, which is a spiritual living community, it was vegetarian. And, and actually almost 100% vegan by the time I was there, and I was a particular blood type, I'm Oh, positive. So about six months of being completely vegetarian, I started craving red meat. And I didn't know why. And I thought it was because of the iron content. But I found out that there's an amino acid in red meats that Oh, positive, or Oh, blood type people need it. And that it wasn't wrong for me to eat meat if I was craving it, because it said my body needed something from it. So occasionally, I would eat meat. I remember asking energetically once, what was the best diet for me? And I heard fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds, sometimes meat. So I went to go do that. I thought it was gonna starve. Because what was not on there was dairy, or Great. Well, it's a slow process and to do it, and moderation, including moderation.

Roy Barker 26:42

Yeah. And that's kind of the plan we've adopted is it's not, you know, we don't have any conviction against me, or anything that we're saying never ever again, but I think it's more of that controlled, and, you know, maybe trying to have a nice piece of fish if you just really crave something, but

Terry 27:01

and trying to cut things out, you know, some I mean, just trying to clean our refrigerator out from all the dairy and the meats. And I mean, all of that stuff, there is so much so we made the decision. And then, you know, spent most of our time trying to clean out the fridge. But I think we're there I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

Roy Barker 27:19

Oh, no, no, no, I was just gonna say the the other part of that is the dairy and so is how dairy relates. We had a guest on and the episode hasn't aired yet. But when I started researching some of his work, it was very interesting to find that mammals are the only are humans are the only mammal to drink another mammals milk. And, you know, if they said that

Terry 27:45

thought about it like,

Roy Barker 27:46

Yeah, but they said it had. They said, Really? To be honest, if you aren't lactose intolerant, you're probably the the exception not the rule that we should all you know, after some form of infancy, we should all get that way. So I guess, what are the how does that affect our our energies?

Dawna 28:12

With a Jheri, depending on the type of dairy, dairy does cause inflammation in the body. And now our milk today is so different than what it was 20 or 30 years ago. And how it's processed in children is even different. They're doing things now not only with the additives and the hormones, but they're adding sugar, to milk to sweeten it to have children and other people drink it because it tastes sweeter. That sugar causes inflammation, and they're adding it in there. So we don't always know what's in the the milk, or the products. There's food coloring in cheese, cheese is not naturally orange, the food coloring has heavy metals in it that's needed, which is the binding agent to make the food coloring stick like aluminum. So you don't know that there that's in the food calorie that's in the cheese that we're consuming. And so all of these things will put those toxins into the body. And with you really want to make a big change to your diet, the number one thing that you can do is to take out food coloring. And if you look at every thing that has food coloring in it, you will have a very clean diet. Every cracker, every processed food has some form of food coloring in it. And cheese has food coloring in it if it's not white, and there are some brands that have a natural food coloring called a nano and that's okay. It's a natural color and kind of like what Hannah would be but for food, but it's not the other coloring that we would have been like American Jeez, yeah.

Roy Barker 30:03

Yeah. And that that was the hardest thing to get. I'm sorry. I didn't mean taco week. I was just gonna say that that was probably one of the hardest things for us to do was to actually take some leftover cheese and put it in the trash because I mean, that's my Yeah, we're cheese, that's my go to snack, there's not a meal that we don't have that doesn't have cheese all on it. But also, I think not only for the dairy qualities, but tends to the what we found be all very high in salt, which you know, but I will say that is my favorite thing. My favorite tomato paste tomato sauce is you can take taste it when they have put a lot of sugar in

Dawna 30:53

ketchup, as a lot of sugar in it.

Roy Barker 30:57

So what are some recommendations that, you know, I know that if if somebody's got a problem, they really need to sit down to have a session with you. So you can kind of work back and find this, you know, where, where their energies may be affecting them. But are the subconscious may be affecting their energies. But what are some things that we can do, you know, maybe just Top of Mind three or four things that we can try to start practicing every day, that should really help us not only in the health and wellness, but our overall life.

Dawna 31:33

A couple of things, the first thing that you can do is when you are eating, make sure you're eating out of happiness and joy, and not out of stress or worry. And if you're going to feel or be rushed, while you're eating, it might be better not to eat more blue, some protein drinks, to be able to do that for less amount of time, instead of eating, when you are eating, put down the fork in between bites. And don't be on your electronics at the same time. Yes, we have those away, and just sit and eat because when the body's in that state, you're going to digest your food a little bit more properly. So there's some things like that, that you can do automatically. One of the things I love doing is a breathing exercise. Now I don't do this when I'm eating, but it helps shift the energy inside. So we need to feel depressed or angry or anxious or worried or in those stressful states, what we want to do is release that out of the body. Now when we breathe out, we breathe out co2, which is carbon dioxide, which is all of the toxins our body no longer needs. And when we breathe in, we're breathing in oxygen and all the things our body does need. So what we do in this breathing exercises you breathe in, but you're going to breathe in happiness or joy, it might be calmness and stillness could be serenity, kindness, and you're going to breathe out the stress, the worry, the anxiety, the depression, and I do this, I set the timer on my phone for about two or three minutes, and I close my eyes. I breathe in happiness, my read out bitterness. And I will sit there and do that over and over with the same words. And then the next day or the next time I do it, I might choose different words, whatever it is that I'm feeling. And that's going to change your body physiologically. And when that happens, it's going to put you in a calmer state, you'll become more focused, you'll have a lot more clarity, and you might not be hungry. And if you think you're hungry, or you need to fill yourself up with something, drink a glass of water, especially if you're angry, or you're getting frustrated, drink a glass of water, you could just be dehydrated. And that water will flush through the body. making those shifts and changes as well just like the breathing will do. And you will it'll go back into that calmer state. And then you can take a look at what's going on.

Roy Barker 34:07

Yeah, and talking about the breathing. You know, that's something that I've really recognized about myself is holding breath and stress not ness. And it doesn't have to be like a bad stress. It could just be intense. I've noticed it like, you know, when I really get into a spreadsheet and things are rolling and doing this. It's like, you know, I have to actually say take a breath. I used to have a sign over my desk that said breathe and people would laugh and say you have to remind yourself to breathe and be like, Yeah, sometimes that but even when I'm breathing, I think I'm a very shallow breather. So I think there's a lot of there's a lot of truth to that we need to really take in those big deep breaths to help our body and you know, if you look at yoga and some other things that you know, we can control a lot of different things with that breathing I think and that's why they really They work on not only the body movements, but that breathing technique as well.

Dawna 35:05

Absolutely. And the thing to also remember is that even if you stop breathing out of stress, your skin is still breathing. But because you have so much stress running through the body, when that air comes in through the skin, it will have more of a stressful state to it, even if you're holding your breath, versus being in the calmer, more relaxed state. And if you stop breathing, like in meditation, which does happen sometimes for people, the air that's coming in comes in through peace and balance, and stillness instead of stress that way. So it also depends on that emotional state to how the air comes into you. Okay,

Roy Barker 35:50

well, awesome. Well, we appreciate you taking time out of your day to be with us. And, you know, I think that you've mentioned a few things, but one of our closing questions is always, you know, what is what's something, the one practice you feel adds the most value to your day, it could be an app of habit, just anything that really, that you use quite often

Dawna 36:13

that I take a two minute break, doing one of those little mindful exercises every three hours. So when they're I have a break in between things, I stop, I leave the room. And I go sit and do something just to re adjust and recenter myself, doing like the breathing exercise, sometimes I just focus visually on something. Because every time you do that, it clears the mind allows you to have more focus and gives you more clarity. And then when you come back and you start working again, your work, it's just done. And it's it's completed and you're in a better elevated mood, and the stress and the frustration, even just sitting in a chair for a period of time, leaves the body. And that's that would be my number one go to and I do that throughout the day about every three hours. Okay,

Roy Barker 37:07

awesome. That's, that's good.

Terry 37:09

Really good advice I was gonna ask you about. So you're available for sessions online? Can you tell us what, what you offer on your website?

Dawna 37:22

Yep, absolutely. If you go to Dawnacampbell.com. And that's dawnacampbell.com. There's a section on there that says sessions. And when you pull that up, I do offer a complimentary 1530 minute type session connection reading with me if you want to know more information or how the process might work for you. And then from there, we would determine what type of session or session packages you might need based on the complexity of what it is that you're working on and what you want to shift and change. And then from there, we just schedule and if we do packages, you have priority scheduling. So I personally schedule you on my calendar. And we work through step by step sequentially over however many weeks each session average is about an hour. All right,

Roy Barker 38:11

that's awesome. Well, y'all reach out to Dawna and you have such an impressive list that we're going to get you to recite, I know that you've got your book, your book sitting next to you there. And then I know that you've written some chapters for some other books. And anyway, you've got a lot going on. So tell us all about where we can find some of your writings out.

Dawna 38:35

Okay, so some of them are on my website at DawnaCampbell.com. But if you go to social media, most everything is posted on my business Facebook page. So that's Dawna Campbell 811. You can also find me on Instagram, LinkedIn, YouTube, and Twitter, and everything gets cross posted there as well. So anything that I have recorded anything that is there, it's any show that I've been on, it's all in those feeds. Okay,

Terry 39:05

and financially fit is your book that you've got yes

Roy Barker 39:08

1. Yes. All right. Well, awesome. Well, Dawna, we appreciate all the great information y'all reach out. See if she can help you with your subconscious and your energies. I know. You know, we feel better just talking to you for this little little amount.

Terry 39:26

Breathing a little deeper. Yeah, exactly.

Roy Barker 39:29

All right. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Of course, I am Roy. I'm Terry. You can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We are also on all the major social media platforms. And a video of this interview will go up on YouTube when the episode goes live. So be sure and check that out. If we're we're also on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify for not only one that you use, please reach out we'd be glad to get that added. So until next time, take care yourself

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Time To Rethink Fish Oil Capsules, The Truth About Omega 3 & 6 Processing with Delia McCabe

We had a great conversation with Delia about a lot of subjects, nutrition, fats, oils. One of the biggest pieces of information she gave us was the truth on fish oil. Fish oil has to be processed at very high temperatures, to be able to get the heavy metals, PCBs, and all the other toxins. Omega 6 and omega 3 oils that do not like light, heat and oxygen.

About Delia

Delia McCabe (PhD) shifted her research focus from clinical psychology to nutritional neuroscience upon discovering nutrition's critical role in mental wellbeing while completing her Masters. Delia's research into female stress has been published in a number of peer-reviewed journals, she is a regular featured expert in the media and her two internationally available books are available in four languages. Using her background in psychology, combined with evidence-based nutritional neuroscience and neurological perspectives, Delia supports behavior change and stress resiliency within corporates, and for individuals who want to optimize their brain health, via online courses, workshops and tailored events internationally. Find out more at www.lby.life

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Time To Rethink Fish Oil Capsules, The Truth About Omega 3 & 6 Processing with Delia McCabe

Sun, 6/20 8:15PM • 1:01:43

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

brain, fats, people, eat, omega, fish oil, delia, oils, body, diet, functioning, habit, optimally, essential fats, feel, feeding, good, bit, alzheimer, day

SPEAKERS

Delia, Terry, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:05

Hello and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. I'm Roy I'm Terry so we are the podcast chronicling our journey through wellness, which includes diet not eating not being on a diet as much as just our the food consumption portion as well as exercise mindset. It's a we're really looking at a holistic approach. And as we've gotten deeper into this, you know, we've added things to our repertoire, such as meditation and journaling, journaling and the other thing, the one that starts with the are Oh Reiki, right,

Terry 00:43

like the way he says it though?

Roy Barker 00:47

No, I can't. Anyway, he

Terry 00:48

says Reiki

Roy Barker 00:50

but in, you know, intermittently, we do have a guest professionals in the field to come on and that's what we have the day and Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce Delia.

Terry 01:00

Yes. Welcome to Delia McCabe. She is a PhD who shifted her research focus, from clinical psychology to nutritional neuroscience upon discovering nutritions critical role in mental well being while completing her master's. Delia's research into female stress has been published in a number of peer reviewed journals. She is a regular featured expert in the media and her two and her internationally available books are available in four languages. using her background in psychology, combined with evidence based new nutritional neuroscience and neurological perspectives. Delia supports behavior change and stress resiliency within corporates and for individuals who want to optimize their brain health via online courses, workshops and tailored events internationally. Delia, thank you so much for coming onto the show. We've been looking forward to this for a long time.

Delia 02:01

Thank you, Terry. And thank you, Roy. So have I really been looking forward to this,

Roy Barker 02:06

I'm gonna merge to the right here. Probably regret this because we could talk for hours about personal stuff. But this is a this is an interesting story. And this is one of the this is one of the great things that keeps us podcasting is because as a lot, as a lot of you know, we have, we have had some internet issues, and we really haven't taped much over the last six weeks, but right before the crash, you know, deal you came on and we talked to her and you know, getting things ready. And we even tried to come on and do the show, I think then it was just, we just didn't have the bandwidth to do that. And so anyway, we just like, Alright, we'll talk to you when we get this fixed. In the meantime, she sends us an email says, Hey, what do you know, my husband's gonna be in Austin. And coming up to Dallas for a side trip. Maybe we can get together. So anyway, we got together with him. We had an awesome time. Did a little countdown thing down in the stockyards. Got some good barbecue, walked around for a little bit and

Terry 03:05

made him get a long horn balloon. Yeah,

Roy Barker 03:07

we had to get like a balloon hat tied up. But anyway,

Terry 03:10

Miko is great.

Roy Barker 03:11

I think the point is that just you know, how lucky are we to be able to meet awesome guests from all around the world and who thought that you know, somebody that we talked to in Australia, you would have a husband in in Texas that we could go out and hang out with her.

Terry 03:28

That was so fun. Now we got to get her.

Roy Barker 03:30

Yeah. Now that's our next step. Anyway, I digress. But I thought, you know, that's such an awesome story to tell that, you know, we don't interject that enough. I don't think that you know, what great people that we meet from all around the world, it's just it's

Terry 03:45

them face to face? Well, yeah, sort of indirectly.

Delia 03:49

I think it's, it's really funny, because I've met you, you know, as you said, the internet issues and so we never got the podcast really done. But I haven't really met you in person. And they My husband is really making areas and wonderful and that's only because technology has allowed us to do this. And then of course, some limited travel now.

Roy Barker 04:09

Right? Exactly, exactly. Like, we want to digress. I know we could be off on that for like I said for hours. And anyway, we want to get to talking about nutrition and let y'all kind of had a roadmap already lined out. I'm not gonna jump in. I'll let Terry let y'all lead into that.

Terry 04:27

Okay, um, where would you like to start? You want to talk about improving Well, on your on lighter, brighter you your website? You have an informative blog. Should we touch a little bit on that improving cognitive function? You want to go there a little bit first?

Delia 04:50

I think let me just explain how I got into nutritional neuroscience. That would be good. I think a lot of people go off and x psychologist, you know, what were you doing? So It was interesting for me because I was innopolis is dating me because it was more than 25 years ago, I was busy finishing my Master's in psych. And I was working with a group of really smart school kids who were really doing poorly at school. And my experimental group, these are the kids who were smart and doing poorly. I was doing an intervention with them, because I was curious about the psychological variables that led to the underachievement. And I was looking at what I could do and say, to help these children be focused and concentrate and study and make their parents and teachers breathe a sigh of relief. And I had a questionnaire that I gave to both the experimental group and the control group who were the smart kids doing well. And I had a little bit of extra space on the questionnaire. And you know, fate is a very funny thing and destiny. Because in that space, I asked them a question. I said, What is your favorite food? And the answer was really astonishing. Because every single one of the children in the experimental group loved some form of junk food. And the children in my control group were the opposite. You know, they were interested in Sunday lunch, or you know, roast roast chicken, and maybe veggies and salads and so on. They didn't focus on junk food. And it's very seldom in research that you come across such a clear distinction. No. So I was really stuck, because I couldn't really write that up into my thesis, because it wasn't part of what I was looking at. I was looking at psychological variables, not, you know, nutritional physiological variable. So I wrote my thesis, I've made a short mention of that. And then thought, Well, I'm going to take a break now and examine this whole nutrition and the brain story, because I was just about to have my daughter. And I thought, I'll take a bit of a break and check it out. And as I say, destiny and fate are weird things. Because after I dived into the subject, which 25 years ago was not a big subject. And there were only a few researchers around the world examining this, I realized that I didn't want to be a talking therapist anymore. I didn't want to look at ways to get people to change their lives when their brain wasn't functioning optimally. Because the bottom line is really very clear that thinking and behavior change. And everything that we do between our ears, happens across this huge network that's made up of cells, and chemicals, and membranes and molecules, all of which rely on lifestyle choices, primarily nutrition, to keep it all going. So for now, I need to really check this out and see how it works. So I thought to myself, well, it'll take me a couple of months. And I'll understand what this is all about. And, you know, 25 plus years later, you're right, I'm still learning. But I think what my mission is, is to explain to people like when their brain is functioning really well, because it's well fed, it's a whole lot easier to live a good life, because you make better decisions. When our brain is functioning optimally, you know, you're in a better mood, you think more clearly, you can be more creative, you have more energy naturally. And obviously, your brain ages really well, which is what we all want. So that that is my mission to explain to people, but the challenge has been, you know, I'm basically teaching prevention, and most people want cure. And the challenge with the brain is that it is functioning and trying to work optimally in sub optimum conditions for 95% of the population. And it does all these fancy and clever workarounds. So that we only realize that the brain has degraded 20 to 25 years after the degradation starts, oh, wow, most of the brain sophistication. So I'm really in a difficult spot, because I'm teaching prevention, and most people want to cure. But yeah, so that that's basically the foundation of where I started and why I didn't want to be a talking therapist anymore. For me, it was, I felt like it actually wasn't being honest, because I wanted people to first nourish their brains optimally before they could actually start looking at behavior change.

Terry 09:18

And that makes it makes a lot of sense. And, but because people want to just throw pills, they just want something to eat, they want medication, whatever to fix something but if they look at it in a more holistic manner, and and if they start now, it's never too late to start, right and then they can

Roy Barker 09:40

stop. That's what I was just sitting here thinking now our boat might have sailed. So

Delia 09:47

I think the most wonderful thing about the brain is that it is very receptive to when you start giving it what it needs. And we definitely now know that even people that have got Alzheimer's if they follow a very strict protocol can reverse some of the damage. So there are researchers out there who are investigating that at the forefront. But it is so much better to practice prevention. And the sooner we do it, the better because you know, when's the best time to start? Well, yesterday would have been better, but today is just as good is just as good. Well,

Roy Barker 10:19

that's the problem is that, you know, I'll speak for me that part of my problem is, you know, when you're young, and maybe some things are not right, your your body adjust, and it's not a big deal, it doesn't drag you down, like it does in your old age. So we tend to think, you know, we're bulletproof for, I'll get that under control tomorrow, you know, I've got another day. And, you know, even I'm sure people that smoke a lot and drink a lot. It's like, you know, I feel pretty good today, I can, you know, smoke for a little bit longer, and then I promise I'll quit or drinking. And the reality is that, no, we need to take these practices from childhood, because I think it's something that you've mentioned, of course, but I think this too, is that nourishment is so important to the education of our children. And not only eating correctly, but in the sad thing is, in some cases, eating at all. And you know, that kind of the pandemic shaunda really bright light on that is that a lot of our school districts had to continuing to serve meals, because that was where a lot of children, that's the only meal that they had. So I know that's a whole different subject. But you know, the reality is, it's never really too early to get into this. And as parents, we should always be, you know, a lot more conscious about our children and what they eat, because of the learning ability at that time, but also habits and then that, you know, we carry these bad habits into our age to our older age.

Terry 11:49

And Delia knows because she bred some very smart children married a very smart man and very smart kids.

Delia 12:00

Well, I think that's a funny way of saying it, but I think it's kind of like, fate was on the side as well, because as I discovered all these things, I started implementing them. And so my children definitely benefited from that, because research suggests very clearly that your child will reach their genetic potential, the intellectual genetic potential, if the brain is optimally fit, if it's not optimally fit, then I can't reach that intellectual potential, which is a very sobering thought and for parents that really care about their children, you know, you want your child to maximize their capacity to be fulfilled. And one of the ways we do that is by making sure our brain functions well, so, Roy, your comment about habits, of course, if you start out, you know, when you're young, and you learn all these good habits about feeding your brain and your body really well, then you don't have to break bad habits later on. Right, the breaking of the bad habits, that becomes really challenging, because there's also some research to suggest that children's taste buds develop in the first seven years of life. Wow. So if that's the case, then to change those taste buds. When children are older, then seven becomes so much more challenging. So it's really good to catch them when they young to just get them to embrace the kinds of foods that support them across a lifetime.

Roy Barker 13:20

Yeah, so let's talk about that for a minute about feeding our brains. The I guess, intuitively, we just know, preservatives, fast foods, I guess, sometimes high carbs, high sugars, things like that are not good. But let's talk about what is good. I mean, what what really nourishes our brain and what feeds it to help us to maximize that.

Terry 13:46

It's a great question, right? Yeah, sorry, Terry. I said in a nutshell, excuse me.

Delia 13:52

It's an important question. And it's obviously the answer is huge. So I'm going to break it down into a few important things. And the first one is the fats and oils that we consume. Now, this was a big surprise to me. But when I discovered that 60% of the dry weight of the brain is made up of fat, I was really quite fascinated by that. Because that meant to me that I had to find out a lot about fats and oils. Because of that 60% between 20 and 25% needs to come from a fat that our body cannot make. That means it's got to come from our diet. And even if a nutrient has to come from our diet, it is called an essential nutrient. It means the body can't make it. So these are essential fatty acids, we talking about omega six and omega three and we'll unpack them in a moment. The other two categories of fats are saturated fats, and mono unsaturated fats, and the body can make saturated fats and mono unsaturated fats would use where The whole low fat diet catastrophe came in. Because when food was devoid of any fat, but had a lot of carbs in it, and a lot of refined carbs, for example, refined sugar, what happened was that too much of that actually gets converted into saturated fat in the body. So scientists didn't realize that when they put the low fat diet into place, everyone, but oh, well, that's fine, we can eat carbs until the cows come home. But guess what? excess carbs are stored as fat. So that's how the body makes saturated fat and also mono unsaturated fat. But omega six and omega three are completely different, we have to get them from our diet. And unfortunately, 95% of the population is deficient in these fats. And that's a huge problem. Because without these fats in the brain, specifically, the brain can't function optimally. Now, the question that most people ask me at this point, so I'll preempt both of you. The question is, why are these facts so important? And the reason they're so important is because of the critical role they play in the cell membrane in the neuronal membrane. So we'll talk about the brain year, but you just need to keep in mind, excuse the pun, that these fats do exactly the same kind of job in the rest of the body as well. It's just that in the brain, the functioning is even more important, because of the sophistication and sensitivity of to how the neurons communicate with each other. So if you can imagine a cell membrane, that cell membrane needs to be extremely flexible and malleable, to be able to communicate optimally with its neighbor, and to be able to send the electrical impulse, the electro chemical impulse that neurons communicate with to the next neuron really quickly and really efficiently. If the cell membrane is made up of lots of saturated fats, then it's less flexible, it's less malleable, it's less able to respond very quickly. And so the message doesn't get to the next neuron and the next one, and the next one as efficiently. So those omega three and omega six fats are very, very specific in the molecular structure, that molecular structure will determine how efficiently the neuronal membranes will function. And from that everything else stems. Because it's not just the neurons that need that correct mix of fats. It's also the actual organelles inside the cells, like the mitochondria. And everything else that lives inside the cells, he also needs a layer of fat to be able to keep it intact. So those essential fats are critical for brain function. When we speak about what they do in the body, they do an enormous amount of things in the body as well. immunity, metabolism, blood pressure, growth and development, the list goes on and on. And interestingly, you know, when when I love the name of your podcast, I think it is the funniest and most unique and, and cute name. You know, when we speak about weight loss, without these essential effects, we have two problems. These fats help the genes that switch on fat burning to be switched on. And they talk to the genes that organize fat storage, and turn them off. So if you think about those two things, those essential fats, make sure that your metabolism kicks up and works really efficiently and that you don't store fat as efficiently. So when people start consuming these correct fats, they suddenly have more energy. Number one, because they mitochondria is now functioning optimally, their metabolism is working faster, it deals with cravings, because your cravings are reduced when you've got these the right amount of these fats. And also you don't store fat as efficiently. So the function of these fats are came upon them. And they function in the body kind of by accident, because I was looking at the functioning in the brain. And I thought, Wow, we need these in our brain. And then I realized when I looked at more and more of the research, we need them every way. It's just that they lack in the brain is very, very noticeable when people look at brain function and brain development, but really, we need them everywhere. And as I said 95% of the population is deficient in these fats and oils. So that's a huge challenge because most of the fats that are available to us, you know, in those golden aisles at the supermarkets, most of those facts are unfortunately omega six fats, which are good if they're not processed, but the ones in the golden isles are pro syst harshly. And when those oils are processed, they are unfortunately filled with trans fats and other damaging fats. So you're getting the Omega six you need, but you're also getting damaged fats. And then you're not getting the omega three that you need to go with the Omega six, because the ratio between these two essential fats is critically important, we need more of the omega three than the Omega six, because the omega three is more involved in our metabolically active organs like our brain, our heart, our adrenal glands, and our reproductive organs. And omega six has other roles to play. But because of its molecular structure, it's not as active in those other metabolically active organs. So just to go back for a moment, what most people have in their diets today is lots and lots of omega six, because that is used for fried food. It's used, you know, for salad dressings, it's used for making, you know, biscuits and cakes, because that's what people have gotten used to using. And people have not enough omega three. So it's a complex conversation when I give a lecture on fats and all the tests over three hours. So I'm giving you the Cliff's notes here, you know, just the the base summary, but it's extremely important for people to understand that these essential effects are critical for us to thrive. So what are some sorry,

Terry 21:27

what are some examples of omega three?

Delia 21:33

theory, there's some great examples of omega three, flax seeds are high in omega three as our chia seeds. And green leafy vegetables are also high in omega three. And these are the plant forms of omega three, when most people speak about omega three, they speak about fish oil. And fish oil contains d, h, a and EPA, which if you can think about it this way, they are derivatives of the plant based forms. So the body gets the plant based forms and then converts them into DHS and EPA. Or if you eat cold water, fish, or use solar fish oil tablets, you get the DOJ and the EPA directly. But it is not a good choice to do that. Because that fish oil has to be processed at very, very high temperatures, to be able to get the heavy metals, the PCBs, all the other toxins that the fish now contain out of them. And the best and the cheapest way to get those toxins out of the fish oil is to heat that all up to a very high temperature. But this is the sticky part with omega six and omega three oils that do not like light, heat and oxygen. So the minute they exposed to the to those elements, they start degrading. And then they will have things like trans fats and polymerized fats and sacklers fats inside them. So when people swallow fish oil, they're not aware of the fact that although the fish oil manufacturer will say on the bottle, triple refined, and the user will think that's great, nothing bad in it, they don't realize that sneakily unfortunately, those products now contain other damaged compounds, because of the harsh processing. So that's a little bit complicated for people to get their head around. But the bottom line is this, if you consume enough of the plant based forms of omega three and omega six, which I'll say where they found in a moment, if you can consume enough of those plant based forms, and you have enough vitamin C, B, three B six, zinc and magnesium in your diet, then the body naturally knows how much of that plant based form to convert into the DHS and the EPA, it will do it automatically. It's been doing it since the beginning of time. And it can still do that. But visual manufacturers tell people Oh no, it can't do that. It only does it add between 2% and 5%. But that's actually the percentage that the body wants to make. In in each go if I can put it that way, because then it's fresh, and it uses it where it needs to use it. If any body that's listening, and maybe either of you had ever gone into hospital, what I now ask people is are you on any supplements, or any of them maybe fish oil, and if that's the case, it's a problem, because if people are on fish oil, they can bleed out, because it makes your blood so thin because I've got too much THC and epi in them. But if you have plant forms, then your body knows how much to make and how much you know is required. So that's quite a long answer. I'm sorry.

Roy Barker 24:58

No, no that just um Because we probably over supplement and I know I take, you know quite a bit of fish oil every day. So I'm just going to, after we get through, run over to the cabinet and throw that in the trash and be done with it, wow. But

Terry 25:11

we also, I mean, if we do smoothies and we try to we try to do more of them, we do add flaxseed and chia and spinach, or kale.

Roy Barker 25:21

And I think to reinforce your message, I don't want to jump ahead of you. But this just gets back to the fact that we just talked about wanting to take a pill to cure thing. So yeah, we want to take a pill to cure all of our deficiencies in our poor eating habits. And so instead, let's get back to the basics and eat a good well rounded diet. And, you know, the other thing I think that really helps us is choosing a, an app to track this stuff for you. And I'll let you comment on this. But you know, there's an app that you can put all this in, that'll tell you the macronutrients and the one that we use actually has at the bottom, there's like four or five different combinations, the omega three and omega six just happens to be one and it's got a little dial, they'll tell you too much three too much snakes, you know, and it tries to put you right in the middle.

Delia 26:16

I think Yeah, there were a few things just to mention there, Roy, I think we do actually need to supplement three and omega six we do. And I discovered the supplement that I recommend to people and that we've been using for 25 years 25 years ago. So it's a supplement that combines the plant forms of omega three and omega six in the right ratio that's in the favor of two to one favor of omega three. But it's actually processed in a factory that Michael actually went and had a look at, that makes sure that light heat and oxygen don't damage the oils. So it's, in other words, it's made with health in mind, not profit in mind, right. And it's a fantastic product and are recommended to people you know, when I stand in front of an audience or I do a workshop, I actually get them to taste this product. So I do believe in supplementation, but evidence based supplementation. And because I know how to read labels, I know what's a good product and what isn't, and also how it's made, specifically the fats and oils. So that is definitely important. As far as an app goes, if people find that an app supports them, in terms of the micronutrients and macronutrients and how much they're consuming, then I think it's a wonderful tool to use. But if you don't have time, and you're not bothered to do that, when you eat a plant based diet, which I know we'll touch on in a little while, again, Roy, when we eat mostly a plant based diet, you know, what is our q? r Q is how we feel, if we satisfied after a meal, if we have enough energy, you know, to get through a day, and we feel sharp and clear. If our weight is the way that we wanted to be. And if the way we eating is sustainable, then that's a way to know that you're getting all your macronutrients and your macronutrients, so an app can help you to get to that place. But maybe it isn't the thing to rely on forever. Yeah. Because the way we feel physically and mentally should be the best guide to how well we are feeding ourselves and moving and meditating and supporting ourselves in other ways. I think, you know, technology can definitely support us. But I think relying on technology, because I know somebody, for example, who's got this little thing that she puts on her arm. And it will tell her when her body battery is running low. So she'll wake up in the morning. And she also obviously didn't sleep well, because my body battery isn't isn't well, and I'll say to bed, how do you feel like you slept? How do you feel, this person can no longer distinguish between how she really feels, and what her little device is telling her. So I just warn people, you know, that's just the psychology of technology, that it can sometimes override our own common sense. And that's something that we need to guard against. I mean, just for example, in winter, we want to eat more comforting foods, that would seem to be more fattening. But then when summer comes, we dropped those foods and we may drop a kilo or two, and that's perfectly fine as well. So I think we just need to keep the balance there between you know, is technology serving us or how do we actually feel because I think ultimately that's the thing that really matters the most?

Roy Barker 29:31

Yeah. So back to the omega threes and sick that the plant based supplement you were talking about is that easy to find. Is that something that or do we have to look hard for it or how could we acquire them? What is it

Delia 29:45

it's not hard to find at all you'll find that in any home health food store or any sprouts store. I hope I'm using that name correctly. I think there is a sprouts in America and it will be in the refrigerated section so it will be in the fridge It will be kept cold, it's in a dark box, it's in a dark bottle. And it's nitrogen flushed, which means that nitrogen is put into the bottle before the oil is put into it. So there's no oxidation that happens to that product at all. And it's a product that I'm very happy to recommend. And I'll give you the details. So you can put them in the show notes.

Roy Barker 30:20

Yeah, Yeah, that'd be great. Okay, yeah, cuz we're in because, you know, we need to, if this fish oil is probably not suiting us, but may actually be, you know, damaging to us, we need to quit doing that. We'll switch over to this so good. Anyway, sorry. Before we move too far from this, too, I want to talk about the fats, the low fat, because, you know, my career has mostly been dealing with the elderly in some manner. And so, you know, we had Alzheimer's has gone off the scale, I think we read the other day, 6 million Americans are suffering from some form. And there was a study, it was one. One person, it's not a study, one person tried this, they, they they ended up doing some longitudinal studies that I haven't really heard results. It hasn't been that long, though, since this happened. But anyway, so there's a test for Alzheimer's, it's the clock test, basically, you draw a circle on a piece of paper, the person you are testing puts is supposed to number one through 12, around the outer parts. And typically, what you will see with Alzheimer's patients is the numbers will be either backwards or they'll be crazy. This one person that we're talking about in Florida, have his numbers are all down around the six, everything was just all piled down there. So his wife, I don't know, I don't remember the backstory. But somehow she started feeding him one, tape mill spoonful of coconut oil three times a day. Now you have to be careful because it's hot klore. But you know, he had other issues. So they did it. And within about six weeks, he was able to get pretty dang close with this clock face. And so anyway, made me think, was this low fat craze that we had in the 70s. And in the 80s, some root cause of what we're seeing now, and I've read some research and, and it feels like that it was, you know, nobody can be totally conclusive. But I think that they felt evidentiary wise that there's a pretty good linkage between that and I can, I don't want to take up a lot of time talking about that. But I feel like it's important because it gets back to this thing. decisions that we make today can catch up with us in 20 3040 years in ways that we really never thought possible.

Delia 32:52

Absolutely. Right. And it's a very good point. And I'm glad you brought this up. Because the truth of the matter is a Brian that is the product of the rock cons effect, will end up becoming unable to function optimally. So the low fat diet was put into place by researchers who didn't understand the complexity of fats and oils in the diet, which is the most complex aspect of nutrition, we can speak to the fact that the coconut oil helped, because obviously, his brain was not incapable of using carbohydrates as a source of energy, which is the brain's natural and preferred source of energy. But if the neurons become incapable of using that form of energy, the body can actually convert saturated fat from, for example, coconut oil into something called ketones, which the brain can use as a source of energy. So this is something that researchers are getting more involved in to find out if that actually works for the brain that is not functioning well like a dementia brain. And they're finding that it is the case, it seems to be the tendency, but it's only when the brain becomes incapable of using carbohydrates that that seems to be useful or otherwise, if the whole body goes into keto Genesis, then the brain is forced to use ketones as a form of energy, whether that's sustainable or not. There is no evidence to support that, whether it's good for the body long term, some danger points there as well. So yes, helpful when the brain is already degraded, not as a lifetime sustainable option.

Roy Barker 34:27

Okay. Yeah, look, I don't want to derail you if you are kind of, you know, going in order, but that kind of transitions nicely into, you know, the keto and keto genix and then Leo and yeah, and then also, you know, plant based, it's like, there's so much stuff swirling out there. And, you know, I'll just keep it brief, but give you my story. You know, a few years ago, I did the I didn't really do strict keto. I just tried to really fight to keep my carbs. About 40 a day 40 to 60 was the range that, you know, my doctor had told me to stay in. And, you know, I had pretty good luck with it. But then after a while, and I never really got into the, the ketogenesis part. But after a while I heard, you know, bad things that, that so much protein can be hard on you. And the other thing I think it was worth mentioning is that you, it's not like a protein fest just eat all you want, because you have to watch your limits, because from what I've heard, the body is smart enough, after a while, if it doesn't have the carbs, that it will start turning proteins into glucose or you know, something like that, then that makes it hard on your organs as well. So again, we just get back to, you know, all the stuff that's out there, we are doing more plant based, which means for us, we can still eat meat, we just limit that meat and try to you know, make sure we're getting proteins from our beans and things like that. And, you know, then we heard a story about us being omnivores, you know, like, the carnivores have sharp teeth, and a shorter or longer digestive system. True plant based animals have different teeth, and either the longer shorter, so we are truly from what I've heard, you know, we're truly somewhere in the middle. But again, it's there's so much information on the keto. There's information on both sides. So help us help help us sort that sort all this stuff out.

Delia 36:47

It's a really interesting thing. Because the longer that I've been in this field, the more I see, you know, all these different dietary protocols come out and people swear, this is the one for me, and this is the one for me. So I'm always curious, firstly, about the kind of personality that looks at this Doc, because Okay, this one is going to work. So we can unpack that a little bit later, maybe. But the bottom line is this, the only evidence based diet that has been examined in enough detail and depth to show its long term sustainable efficacy, in terms of health, physical and mental is the Mediterranean diet. That's the only diet that has been studied. Now that's a diet that is very much plant based. And then with meat on top of it. Okay, so that's the first thing to keep in mind. The second thing to keep in mind with all these different approaches, and for example, we can take keto and paleo as the examples. They are cutting out major food groups. So what some people have done, they've tweaked them to make them a little bit better in some ways. But let's take paleo first, for example. You know, the Paleo people will tell you that we used to live on meat in the olden days when we ran across the savanna and killed animals with glee and reckless abandon. The truth of the matter is that that's not the case. We actually used to hunt animals in small groups, not all the time, because hunting animals was hard work. And it also was dangerous. If someone got hurt, they didn't quickly have a penicillin injection to give them and say, Hey, make you right now. So hunting, wasn't this, this glorified wonderful activity that was continuously engaged in, we did eat meat, which is why we've evolved to need b 12, and iron and zinc, which comes from animal products. But we did not live on them continuously. Maybe some groups of people did, but then they were deficient in many nutrients that we that they weren't consuming at that point in time. So you know, the Paleo people will cherry pick research to support their view, but it doesn't. It isn't supported long term with solid robust evidence. The second thing about a ketogenic diet, once again, the focus is on fat, a lot of its saturated fat, unless it's tweaked, it doesn't contain essential fats. And you know, we've just discussed how essential essential fats are because we have to get them from our diet, our body can't make them. So that's the first thing about the ketogenic diet. The second thing about the ketogenic diet is that it does put extra stress on the body's organs. And that is just because it's not a natural way for us to eat. Whenever we eat in a way that isn't natural. There will be some kind of fallout from a physiological perspective, because the body has to not adjust itself. Things like gluconeogenesis ketogenesis, all these things have to be adjusted. So now the body has to work differently. So under certain circumstances, the ketogenic diet is useful for type two diabetes and for cognitive decline. Those are the two top of mind But for the rest of the population, if you can't lose weight following mostly a Mediterranean style diet, then you're going to be compromising your body in some way. And also brain function. Because the Mediterranean diet, as I said, is also been studied in relation to mental health. And it's very robust that that kind of diet really support mental well being. So that's just those two diets. Another one that a lot of people are now trying and and people are talking a lot about is intermittent fasting. Now, intermittent fasting is interesting, because there's more of a focus on when not to eat, versus what to eat. Once again, you know, throwing the baby away with the bathwater in a sense, because if your focus is entirely on when not to eat, and you're eating, whatever, in the time that you can eat, we're still not going to be getting the nutrients that you need. So some people have tweaked that diet. And I suppose in a sense, I'm one of those people because ask are eating at seven o'clock at night latest, and then I'll only eat at seven o'clock the next morning or a little later. So that gives me a good 12 hours of not eating. And that is probably normal. Considering the way we evolved, some people want to stretch that to 14 or 15 hours, I said, that's fine. However, you also have to be considering what you eating. And if you're very stressed, it can actually add more stress to your life. Because when your body registers that it's hungry, it's actually your brain registering, you actually increase cortisol. And we don't want to be doing that because cortisol does a lot of negative things in the body and brain. So I'll always suggest to people, if they're looking at doing intermittent fasting, do it, do it overnight for the 12 hours, because that gives your gut a wonderful break, which it needs from constantly working. But try not to stretch it much longer than that if you're experiencing chronic stress.

Terry 41:55

So that's a little summary of the main diets and the pitfalls. And that's what I mean, we did intermittent fasting, where we would eat at 12pm, we wouldn't eat in the morning, we would eat at 12pm 7pm. And then we wouldn't eat again until 12pm the next day. So 12 and seven.

Roy Barker 42:16

The thing about that though, is it breakfast is, you know, one of my meals that I really like and the other thing that we started kind of tweaking that was doing, you know, like a smoothie in the morning and you know, with the kale or spinach and then protein powder and the flax seed and you know, it's a healthy one, but I just feel like I need something in the morning.

Delia 42:41

Well, you're not unusual because it is basically a fast that your body has been under all night, you know, and for most people blood glucose dips in the morning. And when your blood glucose dips, it sends a saw a signal, you know, your brain says Hold on a second food is required, you know, you have been without food for a long time, you need to get blood glucose up. So that feeling partly habit, but very much based on the physiology that you experience when you get up in the morning. So what are you doing now? How have you How have you adjusted that? Are you having your smoothie and then eating at 12?

Roy Barker 43:16

Yes, yeah, typically, that's it's been a lot. It's been a rough couple of weeks.

Terry 43:22

And see, always have these two and really don't look, I think,

Roy Barker 43:28

right now I was just gonna say that, you know that I think what I would like to do is have that smoothie in the morning, you know, eat at 12 eat at five, six or seven and then not eat again to the next morning because, again, it's my I think it's my one of my downfalls is not only the food I eat, but wanting to eat at nine or 10 o'clock at night, you know, and then go to bed. And yeah, eat bad stuff at nine or 10 at night.

Delia 43:53

No, they there are a few things just just to comment on that. The first thing is that a lot of people want to snack in the evening, and that becomes a habit. And so you have to work on not not doing that. However, when your blood glucose is more stable and you have enough of the essential effects your cravings will reduce, because they've done some research and I know only wrote in research, but it's very optimistic in relation to if we can translate it. When rats are the product of essential fats, they need more sweet foods in their diet, they crave more sweet foods, but when they've got enough essential fatty acids they don't so that's the one thing to keep in mind. So that may shift when you start consuming the right essential fatty because you won't have the your blood glucose will be more stable firstly and your cravings will be reduced. The second thing that you mentioned you know laughingly about don't ask what we're doing now. I think one of the things that happens to people and I see it and it disturbs me is because you know they start a particular way of eating and then they want to stick to that all the time. And when they don't they get distressed and they go back to the way they used to eat. And I always encourage people to Don't, don't do that. Just look at how far you've come. And you know, you might have a day or a week or 10 days where things just go pear shaped, we all know that love can do that to us, the longer we live, the more we are aware of that. And we just have to have some compassion and some kindness, you know, so I'm not eating the way I'm really wanting to eat, but I'm getting back to it. And these are all the things that I've already included that are different and better. And pat on the back for me. I see a lot of people that that really are too hard on themselves. And yeah, so that's just a thought, Yeah. Can

Terry 45:39

you just kind of want to throw up your hands and say, Okay, well, I'm, I haven't eaten how I wanted to for a week, two weeks, whatever. And then it's like, I can't do it, I can sustain it.

Roy Barker 45:51

And it's funny, like, I used to have a lot of willpower, but seemed like, older age, I don't know if it's because you you just the way that you've survived, and it's like I deserve it, or it's a reward. But it's like, man, I used to have a lot of willpower to stay away from that stuff. And now I mean, not so much it doesn't even take bamboo shoots under the finger. Now before I start, like a I must I have that candy bar.

Delia 46:18

It's a, it's a really good point, right, because I think one of the reasons people snack at night is because of something called decision fatigue. And decision fatigue is something that happens in the brain as the day progresses. So you know, you mentioned willpower, there's actually quite a lot of interesting research about willpower and decision fatigue. So it's like when you wake up in the morning, you've got a lot of willpower. So I always suggest to people, if you want to start a new habit started in the morning, because your brain is still fresh. as the day progresses, your brain loses energy, and becomes less capable of making decisions that serve you. So for example, the prefrontal cortex is like the CEO of the brain, and it's the one in charge. But it runs out of energy very much earlier in the day, then the rest of the brain because he doesn't have any automatic workarounds. And this is the inhibitory part of the brain. This is a brain that will say, Roy, don't open that cupboard, because what's in there isn't good for you. But by eight o'clock at night, it's offline, it's not functioning. So then the brain does something interesting. It does one of two things. In fact, it does a knee jerk activity or behavior. So that's just habitual, just does it because it's a habit. So that's probably what's happening to you. The other thing it does, it does nothing. It just stops. And that happens in certain circumstances where cognitive capacity is required, but not in situations where your habit is being, you know, fulfilled. So that's something to keep in mind you calling it willpower, but it's actually something to do with the brain running out of energy. Because this is not just the most sophisticated part of the brain, the PFC, it's also the most energy demanding part of the brain, so it runs out of energy earlier in the day. So you need to, there are a few things you can do, you can actually get rid of everything that's in that cupboard that's bad. and replace it with some things that still taste really yummy with the right mouthfeel. So there must have fat in them, they must have some sweetness in them, and they must have a bit of protein in them. Because if you can fall for full bet, your mouthfeel is still satisfied, but you know, psychologically, you're not eating the bad stuff anymore. And then slowly over time, you can wean yourself from even net, but having the bad cupboard at 9pm at night is not a good

Roy Barker 48:43

now, it's definitely not I know him took a little break there

Terry 49:00

too much for our lightning.

Roy Barker 49:04

I think it's our we're okay, I'm holding that word. Okay, cuz I can still see you. We're gonna just talk, talk amongst ourselves for just to give you a chance to come back. There, she went off, maybe she'll come back. Well, that's good to know. So we need to, we're gonna, when we get offline, we're gonna sit down and restructure, and we're gonna

Terry 49:24

clean out the pantry. Well,

Roy Barker 49:26

I'm not sure about that. But we need to look at some things that we do and maybe try to rearrange again, something that's no easier. We need to really check these. This omega three and omega six. Oh

Terry 49:39

my gosh, I wanted rid of definitely want to get that. Oh, there she is. Something happened.

Roy Barker 49:46

Yeah, that's okay. We were just talking amongst ourselves. And there you are. Well, so just one more thing. We're running away long. I know. Appreciate your time. You've just

Terry 49:58

sat in line again. Yeah. We'll do this in

Roy Barker 50:00

section but just like for somebody like myself, I guess, you know, with type two diabetic and with my with it being harder of late harder to control or get it to where I need it to be maybe better to make just a little bit of a shift to the keto for a while in order to get that down and then start transitioning back to more of the Mediterranean diet, would that be a sensible plan,

Delia 50:27

I think the first thing that I would do is just suggest you get the right essential fatty acids. So make sure you get the product and you start using that every day. If you feel a little bit nauseas in the beginning, just cut back a little bit because the liver still needs to incorporate all those fat molecules to be able to help it function optimally. So you can chat to me about that and I'll support you through that phase. Okay, the second thing to keep in mind is just cut back on the starches. So I know that starches are very satisfying, and they give us good mouthfeel. But just cut back on the starches a little bit, especially the watch starches. So don't have rice don't have white potatoes, but rather have some mullite or have some keen Wah and have sweet potatoes. And then make up the bulk of your food with things like broccoli, things like cauliflower, green leaves, lots of lovely dressings, nuts and seeds. In that way, you'll be getting much more of a of the effects with your diet. And when you do have meat, have it with lots of greens as well. If you have some eggs, have it with lots of greens. Try and focus more on that if you go towards the ketogenic, then what happens is you're going to get many more saturated fats. And the more saturated fats you eat, the more essential fats you've got to eat. So let's just focus on the essential facts for the next couple of weeks. If you do that, you'll find your your cravings will definitely go down your blood glucose will become more stable. Okay, there are a few things that may happen, you may suddenly feel that you've actually got some more energy. So don't take the oil at night. rather take it you know, with your smoothie and for lunch. And then you may just feel like you actually want to exercise a little bit more. And you're you thinking a little bit more clearly. I also say to people that they just need to keep in mind that those fats work from the inside out. So you will, your brain, your heart, you know your digestive system, your liver, your lungs, all of those organs, your adrenal glands, reproductive organs are going to get those essential fat first, and they're going to work their way out to your to your skin. So when your skin starts feeling smooth, and it starts feeling well lubricated and moist, and you don't need anything to keep your skin moist, then you know you've got those fats throughout your whole body. But that can happen in 18 months to three years. So we're not let's not jump ahead. It's a process that you know, just just think about, we've got all these trillions and trillions of cells, all of those little membranes need to now be become full of these good fats.

Roy Barker 53:08

Okay, awesome. And that I don't want to get Michael in trouble. But you know, when we when we were showing him around town, we have to say that we we said, Look, you need to try some desserts. And he he actually said, that's fine. You need to live it up right now. Because when you talk to Delia, when she gets over here, especially if things are going to be changing for you a whole lot. So

Terry 53:33

he said You and I were going to be

Delia 53:38

a look and he mustn't act like he's deprived. I'll make the best chocolate ice cream. Oh, oh my god, salted peanut butter. Ah, good into it. And I'm making mean chocolate mousse as well. And he's not a deprived person in any way, shape, or form. But I've just learned to tweak it. So Terry, I'm going to be very excited to get into the kitchen and we can do stuff together.

Terry 54:01

I am so there. I'm there already.

Roy Barker 54:05

Well, Delia, we appreciate your time. I know we've ran way long, but it's just such a good conversation. And it's just so many good facts that you know, trying to get all this sorted out with all the information that's out there. You know, like you said, people, you can find research to support just about anything, but you got to take back the whole body of research. They can chew Yeah, you got to take everything so it's good to get to know we're gonna go get this the omegas tomorrow, and we'll get on that and see. Cuz I would definitely love to be thinking clear and love to have more energy, that's for sure. make me happy.

Delia 54:44

It's waiting for you trust me, it will come.

Roy Barker 54:46

Okay. All right. Well, before we go do a couple things. For me. First off, what is a habit or a tool that you use every day? Something that you feel adds a lot of value to your life. Either personal or professional?

Delia 55:03

That's a really good question. I can think. I think there's certain things that I do every day that have become habits, okay. One of them is that I never look at my email or social media before I had my breakfast. Okay. So for me, you know, with Marco being, you know, in Austin now, say good morning to him, because it's his afternoon. Yeah. And then I'll send him a screenshot of how chilly it is. Yeah. And then he'll send me a screenshot of how chilly it is there. But, but generally speaking, I don't actually look at MMA, I don't look at any email, nothing. So I don't get my brain busy thinking about other stuff. The other thing that I do is I go for a walk at four o'clock every day, most days. It's about a 45 minute walk, I get my blood nasally up. And I don't listen to podcasts or anything else. I just walk and had like a silent meditation. That's something that I'll also do. So those are two things. And I think some of the things that are now do have become habits, but I don't think of them as habits anymore. So I can't really think of, of anything else that I do. Um, that's a good question.

Roy Barker 56:16

Well, we're good habit collectors anyway, but then, you know, also, we just like to put things out there that may resonate with people, and I'm going to try that because, you know, I'll usually listen to music Well, if it's me and Terry, we talk if it's just me, I usually have music or podcast go and so I think that may be something I could tweak for myself is to just use that for some meditation and you know, just listen to nature and take, give my brain a break, you know, that would

Terry 56:45

do your meditation there. And and we have to wrangle the dogs. Apparently, they're they're wanting to get in on this one.

Delia 56:53

Actually, I posted on my Instagram today about that thing about silence and the brain. But my mum's just mentioned to me water, that's something else that I'll make a habit of having every single day. Sometimes what I do when I've got work to do, and I've got a specific project that I'm busy with, I'll set my timer, not my phone time, because my phone is going off on set an old old fashioned Tomic to 15 minutes, and I'll work solidly for 15 minutes, and then for 10 minutes, I'll take a break, then I'll come back, and I'll set it for another 15 minutes. And that's how I get through projects that really need focus and concentration. So that's another habit.

Roy Barker 57:29

Yeah, I like that. I've heard that before. That way you can set that block out. It's not like you're saying, Hey, I'm never gonna answer my cell phone or my emails, but you've got a certain 10 minute window to do that. And that way you can focus on other stuff. Yeah, I do like that. Yes. All right, well, we'll go check out the blog, because they, you know that the other thing about losing the noise, is that's where our creative spot is, when we just can not have to be thinking about problems solving problems or things, we can just throw an Agia be with ourselves for a few minutes.

Delia 58:04

Absolutely, that's, that's part of the time that the prefrontal cortex can actually access all of our knowledge and our skills to come up with creative solutions. We're giving it a break, we're not giving it information that is going to sort through it then goes internally to find that creativity, which is fantastic point. Excellent.

Roy Barker 58:25

All right. Well, good enough, Terry do you have so I

Delia 58:26

was gonna I just wanted to make sure that we mentioned the names of your books, you want to go ahead and do that, that feed your brain? Yes. The first book is called feed your brain seven steps to a lighter, brighter you. And it does have some recipes in it. But it's basically the science of feeding your brain. So when people really want to know how it works, that's the book that they buy. My second book takes that science into my kitchen. And that's called feed your brain the cookbook. So that's the book that's got the decadent chocolate ice cream and source and the desserts. And you know, I use oils responsibly in that book without heating them. And I teach people how to do that. So those are the two books. Thanks for asking Terry.

Roy Barker 59:14

Yeah, you bet. So tell people how they can reach out and you know, how if how they could work with Who do you work with? What can you do to help them and of course, how they can reach out and get a hold of you.

Delia 59:28

People can find me at my blog, which is triple w.lby.life, which stands for lighter brighter you.life. They can find me on Instagram under the same name, and on Facebook, under the same name and on LinkedIn as Dr. Delia McCabe. They can also go to my blog and go and opt in to my newsletter that I send out every month or so about all sorts of different interesting things that are come across from a cognitive and nutritional perspective. And that way they can stay in communication with me. And I'm always giving little gifts like my favorite recipes and a little video about how to manage stress. So they get a lot of fun fun stuff when they subscribe.

Roy Barker 1:00:10

Okay, awesome. We'll go check that out. I want to be a subscriber. Yeah, we

Terry 1:00:13

didn't even get to touch on stress. I was so interested to talk about that, too. But well, yeah, we haven't spoken about that next time.

Roy Barker 1:00:20

We're holding that back for episode number two. That's right. We're gonna we're gonna get her to promise to come back and talk to us again. That way we could talk about female stress. I think that was the one that Southern was interesting, too. So thank you so much. Y'all go check Dr. Delia, you're out and see what she has to say sign up for the blog. It's a lot of great information. And we appreciate it very much. Got some things we're going to work on this week, already talked about while you were gone. We talked about we're gonna get together after this call, get our planning down and get on a good place. All right.

Delia 1:00:56

Thank you so much for the invite. I really appreciate that.

Terry 1:01:01

Saying so much.

Roy Barker 1:01:03

So that's gonna do it for us. Again, I'm your host growing and carry and you can find us at www.feeding fatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify, all the major social media platforms probably spend more time on Instagram than any so please reach out if you're professional in this area. If you have a good story to tell, reach out. We'd love to hear it and get you on a future episode. The there will be a video of this interview that goes up when it goes live as well. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health.

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Visualize Your Journey Through Life, It's The Key To Success with Halle Eavelyn

One of the hardest things I ever see is the ability to be present. We wanted to take that magic pill and be I'm thin. And we're done. It just it does not work like that. The reason is that it isn't the destination in the first place. It's a journey. The reason you stay present in every moment is that you're not trying to get anywhere, you're just are and are is the destination.

About Halle

I was an atheist until I went to Egypt the first time, and then, literally, my life changed in one breath. And that's the truth – we are all one breath away from enlightenment; the question is: Which breath?

So I knew if I could get you to a place of letting go, of releasing the resistance and the tight hold you have on the controls of your life (that thing that our egos tell us is the only thing keeping us sane), you could get on the path of your own best journey in your business and your life.

When I first started using the tools I had been taught on my own "seeker's quest," I began to be guided in that work, too. It's like your soul talks to my soul and tells me what to say that gives you the most transformation. For a long time, I didn't fully trust that guidance, because (perhaps like you) I'm so logical, and I want to be able to SEE it to believe it, but it's become second nature to me now, so I no longer question how, I am just fully in gratitude that I hear the answers you need to shift. However we work together, I'm looking forward to sharing the next part of your journey with you.

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Visualize Your Journey Through Life, It's The Key To Success with Halle Eavelyn

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

people, energy, feel, terry, life, intention, hands, roy, long, podcast, talk, moved, accomplish, book, empowered, thought, love, eat, set, body

SPEAKERS

Halle, Terry, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:23

Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy, this is Terry. And so we are podcast we are journaling my progress, sometimes progress sometimes regress through this wellness in. No when we talk about wellness, we talk about a lot of things its diet not being on a diet, but what we eat our exercise our mindset, sleeping, I mean it's everything water intake, all of these things combined. And so even though we are chronicling my journey, Terry is my trusty sidekick and helper.

Terry 01:00

And a little bit about me to see.

Roy Barker 01:05

We also do have professionals that come from time to time to help us with these things to show us, give us some good feedback heads up, you know, give us some new things to think about and today is no different. Terry, I'll let you introduce,

Terry 01:17

we have been looking forward to this one with Holly Evelyn. She is a transformational coach, a speaker and a writer who helps people break out of their old patterns so they can live their best lives. And Holly, I'm gonna let you go more into detail. I'd rather hear you discuss your background and, and all of that, and welcome so much to the show.

Halle 01:39

Thank you, thank you so much. I have just so enjoyed the little bit that I've gotten to know you both. And I think that your your journey into your own, you know, deeper versions of yourselves and like bigger versions of yourselves not physically, but emotionally and and mentally is, is so admirable. I think there's a lot of people who are waking up now to the idea of, you know, it's time to look for something more than just, you know, let me get married, get a great job, have kids grow old and die. Not that there's anything wrong with that. However it is it can be bigger, and you guys are on that arc. And I really loved that. And I just wanted to mention that right up front.

Roy Barker 02:22

Well, thank you. Yeah, it's, it's it's exciting. I mean, you know, I'm an old dog trying to learn some new tricks. It's it's kind of a fun journey. Some things work, some things stick. But, you know, we're finding a lot of great things.

Terry 02:35

Yeah. And even though I mean, some people start out, trying to work on the physical aspect. And man, it goes so much deeper than that. It's just all this inner work. And then you're like, Oh, my gosh, I don't want to know that about myself. I don't want to know everything you find out. It's all nuts. But let's say it's

Halle 02:56

okay. Well, I was gonna say it's really what you're saying is is correct what it's like, while you're in what I call like, in the swim, right? So when you're in that, that primordial soup of I don't want to look at these ugly places in myself. And I'm not talking about like, you know, I don't like my thighs. I'm talking about like, the ugly places like in our internal experience, you can feel like crap as you're going through it. You know, I was on with a client earlier today. And she was saying to me, like, I know it's growth. But it really is just annoying my energy. And I totally get that. It's like, it's no fun when you're in the swim. However, when you get to the other side of it, you know, and I'll tell at least one personal story that I can think of that will we'll talk about that specifically. But when you're on the other side of it, it's like, Oh, thank goodness, I did that. Oh, I'm so grateful that I went through that and Oh, the me that I am now is so much better, and so much braver and so much more capable of handling all that comes my way on a daily basis. And and then that makes a big difference too.

Roy Barker 04:03

And I think it's good to reminder about that about handling things and changing. It doesn't happen overnight, as much as we wish that it would that, you know it's a progress. And I think you said like look into the future that if I keep this mindful practice, it gets better day in day, every day that I practice it, it just gets better and being present

Terry 04:23

is so important. Just being able to feel it and be there in the moment.

Halle 04:31

Yeah, and let's talk about that for a second, Terry, because in my experience, that's one of the hardest things I ever see with clients is their ability to be present. So first of all, did you know that goldfish is have attention spans longer than we do? goldfish his attention span is nine seconds and hours over the last, you know, 20 years or whatever. No surprise has shortened from 12 seconds to eight and the internet attention span Like how long you can focus on something on the internet without distraction is 3.8 seconds. So we're like, you know, you're we said earlier, like, we wanted to take that magic pill and like, Oh, I'm thin now lovely. And we're done. And seen. And it's just it does not work like that it does not work like that we say that it does. We hope that it does we want it to, but it doesn't work like that. And the reason is that it isn't the destination in the first place. It's a journey. And the reason you stay present in every moment is that you're not trying to get anywhere, you're just you just R and R is the destination. And that's really weird for people. Right?

Roy Barker 05:43

It's tough because we are so focused on the finish line. And I think you know, and this applies to our health, wellness business, just life in general is that we could be so focused on the finish line that we miss all the great stuff in between. And then we get to the finish line and we feel very unsatisfied. I think because we missed all the stuff in between and it's it's kind of a hollow victory a lot of times.

Halle 06:10

Okay, so my story about that is a little sad. I was standing at or sitting in a room filled with my entire family, my extended family, and my aunt and uncle who are no longer with us, we're standing on the Dyess being lauded for their 50th anniversary. And my aunt Shirley said, I look around this room. And I think Where did 50 years ago, I have these moments. I mean, they had plenty of money, they crossed the you know, the the Atlantic on the QE to multiple times, they lived in this stunning place in Corona Del Mar, like overlooking which some of the most expensive real estate in the United States overlooking the ocean, they raised three children they had like everyone that was in the room with me, my whole family was like, you know, like, mostly because of them. And my aunt was now the matriarch of the family. And yet, she's saying I can only remember a few of those moments. And in fact, a few years later, she ended up maybe 10 years later, she developed dementia. And by the time she died, she could only speak in what we called Word salad, which was complete gibberish that had like cadences, that new sound that sounded familiar. And I remember at that age, just really looking at her and listening to her and it hit me like a ton of bricks, I will not live my life like that. I do not want to look back over 50 years. So I'm going to give your listeners a good tool. So we didn't even talk about all of this, but I'm a transformational coach. Right. My job is to help people transform their lives and not just transform their lives. But you know, when you stop worrying about food, clothing and shelter, you can start thinking about art. It's what I call the Renaissance theory. And so when you're busy saying how do I feed my family? or will there be enough this you can't focus on creating masterpieces I believe that that's why the Renaissance is so beautiful, because the the the work has come down to us as as so a beautiful and enduring and magnificent is that the artists didn't have to worry about where their money was coming from it was fully funded by people who had more money than they knew what to do with. Okay, so how does that translate into our lives, when you get the stuff out of the way that is the worry, the doubt the fear, the uncertainty, the the the victimization of yourself the stories that you tell of your, you know, the failures that you've had. And when you stop all of that, and you move into the present moment, all of that goes away. Because in this present moment, right now, right now, all our needs are met, right? And now, and now. And now and it's our job moment to moment to be in that present. So a good tool for this when you're just like crazy, crazy busy, and you're like oh my gosh, I can't like nothing's going right, what can I do? Pause and just take set the intention of being centered, and what is being centered. It's grounding yourself with your feet firmly on the floor. It's aligning your spine and long column with your neck and your head right over the top of your spine. It's moving your posture, even if you're still sitting so that your feet are firmly on the floor. And so that you're you're sitting erect and then you take three deep breaths and it will help if you breathe into your belly. A lot of people breathe into their chest and that's very shallow breathing. And I call this the breath of life because it when you move it down into your belly when your belly expands on the inhale and then releases Exhale, it changes, it floods your body with oxygen. And I believe that it literally can add years to your life to do this. So if you take those three deep belly breaths and set the intention that you are centered, and call your energy back from anywhere that it was before this now moment, you can spool it up using like thinking of it as like you're, you know, rolling it up like a ball of yarn, or my girlfriend likes to say, she wants to slurp it up like a strand of spaghetti. It doesn't matter what you do, it's just a momentary thing, where you're not thinking about the meeting you had that morning, or the fact that you have to pick your kid up in an hour or whatever, you're just bringing everything back to center. And when you do that it takes it took longer to describe it than it would to take to do it, believe me, it's really it's it takes exactly as long as those three deep breaths, and then you'll find, you're now present. And another way of getting present that's really easy is go from the outside to the inside. So you want to look like at the coffee cup that's in front of you, or the desk that's in front of you, or the cell phone that's sitting there. And you want to just notice without any judgement all of the things around you, and then begin to turn your attention inside, check in with your body. How does your stomach feel? How is your breathing? Does any do any parts feel out of alignment? Can you get them back into alignment, and then you'll be able to turn further within if you would like but going from that outside in is another way to help be present. And a third way is to literally stop and smell the flowers focus on one thing, a totally mundane moment, like how does that rose smell? or What does that book cover look like? Or whatever it is that is like right there in your face in that moment that can help you to stay present and four or five or six of those moments every day. You will not be like my aunt standing there going where did the last 50 years ago, you'll feel all 50 of them one moment at a time.

Terry 12:17

Oh, that's great. Because I mean, I already feel that I already feel like where did all of that go? You know, we're just kind of getting Wait, I'm just getting up there. Roy always says, Yeah, she's not aging. I'm the one that's age. But now I already feel that, you know, we've we've got older parents that we're trying to you know, in that caretaking mode, not not living with them, but trying to get all the logistics down and all the family dynamics and all ever everybody's dealing with that that in a different way, you know? And we Yeah, I don't even know where was going with that. But you know, no, it's

Halle 12:58

okay. My mother in law moved in, and my mother in law moved in in February, she's Cuban. And it's a really weird, you know, it's like this, these two. I mean, I'm, I'm Lucy right and in, in in I Love Lucy and my Cuban family is like, you know, the Ricky ricardos Desi Arnaz. And I'm just like, I mean, and I live in Miami now. And it's like, I feel like this, you know, fish out of water. But when my mother in law moved in, there's other responsibilities that come in, you know, we're never going to be able to take a fast walk ever again. Well, you know, until she passes, and by that time, I'll probably be slow. I know. So it's like you're you, you know, we have to spend an extra, like, if we tell her to be ready at noon, we really have to tell her to be ready at quarter till, because she will have rushed around to get ready earlier in the day. But now she's sitting and taking her time. And if you say to her, you know it's time to go, then there's the 15 minutes of the things that she forgot to do and now needs to take care of just like you have to kind of adjust for all of that stuff. And it can feel I know I've a lot of clients who are caretakers for elderly people. And it can feel like such a slog, and such a stressor. And my mother in law, by the way is the easiest human being in the world to have living with us. She's an amazing housemate. But but there are differences. There are nuances. You're not you know, you can't walk around naked anymore. You know, there's there's just situations that are a little bit different. And for people who are taking care of elderly parents, or also you know, if they're taking care of, of disabled children, it's the same thing. It's like an ongoing thing, where you're always the caregiver, and who is going to take care of you. And a lot of people gain a lot of weight during that time, because they're eating emotionally because it's the only solace that they have under those circumstances.

Roy Barker 14:57

Yeah, the other thing I think, you know, kind of back a little bit in the conversation that we spend so much of our right this moment worrying about something in the future something in the past. And, you know, I, I will say that the science is pretty clear on the fact that our brains as complicated as awesome as they are, we can, you know, really deal with one thought at a time. And you know, when you're out to eat, if you're with somebody, you can either have a conversation and be focused with them, or you can be on your phone, but you can't be on your phone and be paying attention, or you get fragmented pieces. And so I think that's the other thing is that, you know, I feel like that's what makes our time go is that we're so future focused on, you know, I've got that report due next week. This is coming up. And another trick that I've kind of picked up over the years. Luckily, I learned this a long time ago, but it's just jot stuff down, because I don't have to be trying to retain it. And in the business world, there's a lot of people that you know, don't write list write list, and I think we have to do what helps us but always just don't feel like I have the worry and the stress, if I just get it down on paper, I can always go back and look at it instead of you know, instead of constantly playing it through your head, I got this at three, I got that if I got this tomorrow, write it down, you don't have to think about it again, just look at your paper.

Halle 16:26

Yeah, so I have three different sets of things, I have my calendar, which will keep my meetings and stuff. But I also have a if you saw my desk right now you would laugh, I have this crazy set of post it notes just like out in the middle like covering my desk. And those post it notes, keep Top of Mind stuff that I need to do like now. And every couple days, I'm like sorting through the post it notes and I'll throw away the ones that are done. And then I do I have like, I have a whole set of notes on my phone. And I love keeping notes on my phone because I can talk into it. And that, you know, and all of these things, the value of them is what brings you peace of mind. So for example, let's say that the post it notes, which kind of make my desk look messy, was my desk in my office, so I can do whatever I want. But let's just say that, that I had been raised to keep a really clean desk and to keep you know, and you know, and that I believed that an unclean desk was the sign of an unclean mind. Right, that was my story that I told myself, then the very system that I've got that would work, I would be telling myself that I would be feeling guilty every single time or wrong making myself wrong every single time by my very system. So the question isn't what system do you have? It's how do you feel? You know, a lot of people are like, we're, you know, they're like, a lot of people are into procrastination, right? They're, they're like, they'll put everything off. And I accomplish a Okay, a crazy amount. I really do. Like every two weeks, I'm with my accountability partner. And the list that we send back and forth of everything we've done the previous two weeks looks like what wouldn't take a normal person two months, how does that happen? It happens because I love it. And I love doing it. But that acknowledgment that very acknowledgement by having an accountability partner, by choosing to list out all the things that I've done over the last two weeks, that is a reward in itself. And then I have this great system that I love, I call it the cycle of success, I'm going to share it with all your peeps right now, because this is good for all of this stuff. And it will actually kill procrastination. The system is you take your big old to do list because what you're talking about ROI is like it reminds me of that scene in Harry Potter where like Dumbledore takes the wand and he touches it to his forehead and the thoughts come out and go into the pensive. So that's what we're doing. We're taking the thoughts out, we're like sticking them in the iPhone, right? That's our magical technology. So when you do that, you end up with this list that's like this, and then that makes you feel like crap every day. You know, everybody I know who wants to accomplish a lot has a never ending to do list. So what do you do to fix that you create what I call the empowered to do list and the empowered to do list is exactly three items long. And the rules are, you have to be able to accomplish all of the items in a single day. So the tasks have to be broken down into small enough increments that they're like your wet your list might your to do list might say redo my website, which you're empowered to do list would say contact the graphic designer to have the logo redone for example, because that's something that's a phone call, you could do that in one day. And then the second rule is that it can only have three things on it at a time. And the third rule is that at least two of them have to do what I call move the business needle. means return on my phone calls, check all my emails and, you know, write up an idea that I had, none of those are moving your business forward in that moment, right? So it's not the mundane stuff. It's just like the stuff that you intend to do, because we tend to have way too much going on at the same time. And then we feel like we never get anything accomplished. So you check your three items off on the empowered to do list, which you can do in one day, because they're set up that the tasks are small enough, how do we eat the elephant one bite at a time. So we have elephant bites on our empower to do list and then at the bottom of the empowered to do list is one last item reward. And now you can take whatever it is you were doing to procrastinate. check Facebook, for a half an hour binge watch two episodes of the show that I'm like madly in love with, go have a walk in the park, whatever it was that you were procrastinating with. I had one guy play Minesweeper for an hour. That was what he was doing to procrastinate when he moved it to his empowered to do list. As his reward, he would like come in, get all three things done immediately, and then just play Minesweeper for an hour. And then you can rinse and repeat with the next three items or rock on with your day knowing that you've accomplished things, right.

Terry 21:23

I remember hearing you talk about that on one of your podcast episodes. And I was like, I do I have I play this game two dots. It's mindless. Just I mean, yeah, right. laughs at me, but it helps. I don't know what I mean. It helps me kind of get my thoughts aligned sorta are in

Halle 21:47

it, Terry? It's not that don't don't No, no, just for any of this. It does. Because it's using it's giving your brain the parts of your brain that you're using to get stuff done. It's giving that part a break. It's like you've plugged your batteries into the wall by playing to.or listening to episodes of your goddess awaken. I am so happy.

Terry 22:12

Oh, behind I haven't. But we I love them. They're very

Roy Barker 22:17

it's the main you know, we're taking a digital break where the the lady is holding up the book that she's reading with the the phone inside? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I

Terry 22:28

do that. Like, oh, I'm gonna read

Halle 22:33

well, we The thing about the the thing about the empowered to do list that I love is it gives you permission to accomplish certain things. And then it Pat's you on the head and rewards you when you do it. The problem with the to do list is we will just go from thing to thing to thing to thing. And we're never getting we never feel like we're accomplishing anything, because we never pause to recognize that we have accomplished so much. So I mentioned my accountability partner earlier that when I write that list, oh my gosh, I have to I have to dig deep because it's like two weeks. Oh my gosh, what did I do? And I look and I Oh, I did that. And that and and that and that. And now I feel fantastic. And so even maybe just having an accountability partner can help make a big difference for you as well. The important thing though, to remember and this is this comes back to the you know, the purpose of your podcast, your your feeding Fatty, I think that is hysterical title, you're feeding fatty concept, that our bodies are not fat. Our bodies are a result of our fat brains. And our brains are fat because we lie to them all the time and tell ourselves how much we suck how wrong we are and what we're not doing right. So when you feel into the energy of does the system work? It's not does the system work? It's how do I feel about the system? How do I fit does this make me feel good people like I always tell people, why do I have bumper sticker coaching? Because it's small enough to fit on a bumper sticker and you'll remember it in an emergency and why is that important? Because if I tell you a 12 step brilliant process to fix something and you can't remember the first three steps now you feel bad, right?

Terry 24:34

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love that bumper sticker coaching. Well, no. Well, here's

Halle 24:41

a sorry. reframe for you, Terry with with you. Just you just said Look, you're like oh, I'm listening to your goddess awakened for pleasure. I'm a little behind. Now you're feeling bad because

Terry 24:56

your mind I know. Right?

Halle 25:00

So so so that's not good either. So Okay, so here's here's, here's your reframe for feeling behind. Are you ready? I'm writing it down. Your reframe for feeling behind is to keep this mantra like close to your heart. I am exactly where I need to be right now. Because we're ever you are, that is exactly where you need to be right now. And we will make up all this stuff. Right? If I had come out with that podcast A month later, you'd be ahead. But I didn't like your mind.

Terry 25:35

But it's all arbitrary. No, and I was kind of upset because I just like, blew through them right away. You know, when we first talked a couple of months ago, I was like, Oh my gosh, and they're, they're just the right amount of time to because, you know, sometimes they can get long, but you know, 15 to 30 minutes ish. And with the bumper sticking, bumper sticking bumper sticker coaching, and oh, my God, I just blew through them. I was like, Where's the rest?

Halle 26:04

They're coming, they're coming. The long episodes are the hour long episodes, or if I have a guest, or if I do a trauma clearing for somebody live on the show, I allocate an hour because, you know, you can't just clear trauma and 30 seconds, however, in an hour, we can accomplish a real ton. So it's, it's I love the feedback. Thank you. Thank you so much. I

Roy Barker 26:28

really appreciate that. Yeah, we just listened this morning. I think it was the one on women empowerment, and you're stuck in bad situation. So this is the sisterhood. Yes. That is like the latest episode. Terry, you're all behind. And I thought it was interesting. The one thing I've always heard all my life is I'm not going to be spoiler alert, give it away, but I'll let people listen. But the one part you talked about a particular person that was married to another particular person. And you know, the old saying rings true that whenever you marry for money, you will earn it every day. I'm sure that she has. Yeah. Well, let's talk about let's talk about energy for a minute. Because, you know, for people that don't know, we talked to you a long time ago, we tried to do a taping for a business episode that I ended up vanishing. Like I Dream of Jeannie. And but the other thing that we've kind of done in between here is we went and did. Terry, you tell him you say what it was? Oh, no, I

Terry 27:40

want you to say because it sounds so good when you say Reiki. Reiki, yes, Reiki whatever

Roy Barker 27:47

that thing is, we did that. And it was it was amazing. Because I'm, you know, I'm a cowboy kind of guy. grew up here. I've been around here my whole life. And so I love you, Terry. Yeah, it really is. So me going to one of these things. It's it's, it was not out of my comfort zone. I was ready to travel. It's just not in my norm. You know that in the meditation and all that? Yeah. Anyway, I was just, I was mystified about, you know, the one thing she did was hold her hand over my head. And I felt like my head was on fire. I mean, the heat that she drew out of me or we had together or whatever, I don't know how that is. But then the other thing too, is like, I've got kind of a bad shoulder. When she started migrating, she went to the troubled spots on my body first. And just the whole thing was very interesting. I were I'm going to go back I think Terry has been back for her second round. But so let's what's what's your take on our and, you know, I know people think about like, our, our car mechanic energy, like, you know, if I'm putting negative stuff out and saying negative things about people, all that comes back to us, but, you know, there's also this energy and balance of just moving in life. Mm hmm.

Halle 29:09

Yeah. Oh my gosh, I love this topic so much. And I love that you are getting into this for yourself. Because, you know, this is what I was saying is this is there's so much more to life than just what we see like in front of us on a daily and it's such an opportunity to, you know, when we when we go down the rabbit hole of any kind of energy work, it's often just so powerful. And I'm gonna back up a second and and talk a little bit about why I feel that I have the right to discuss this because I think it's going to be important. So I was an atheist until I was in my mid 30s. And not only an atheist, but an atheist who had panic attacks about death, because I just thought there wasn't anything after my body ceased to exist. So that was like the most awful thing I could think of. And then when I went to Egypt for the very first time, I had a spiritual awakening. And that spiritual awakening took me from being an atheist into being this deeply spiritual. God is everything everywhere, God is like breathing person in a single breath. And it was like, so huge and powerful and amazing, singularly the most incredible moment of my life. So far, cuz I'm definitely open for more. And it really, that from that moment to this, I basically become a different person. And my work now is all about energy. And I mean, I have a background in theater and multimedia and real estate and travel. And now I coach and I use every single bit of it, what I use the most, that I didn't understand that I had, was my intuition. And I've come to the understanding that what we believe are our intuitive gifts, which we either have or don't have, is not true. Everyone has intuitive gifts, everyone is, is gifted in the same manner, however, to the extent that you were raised to shut that down, which a lot of parents shut the kids down, right, and your imaginary friend was probably, you know, an intuitive thing and may or may not actually have been in the room with you. And yet, your parents will tell you like, that's not okay, or, you know, shut that away, or you had a tendency to, you know, see dead people or whatever, I've heard all of the things from people who have been told, like, you know, they're there, it's like, you come into the world, and it's almost like you're wearing your, your skin on the inside and your nerve endings on the outside. And depending on who you are, and how you have been raised. That can, you can be told that that's a very bad not okay thing. And the world will shut you down just in general, because they, your, your school, your church, your government, whatever everybody wants you to walk the path that they have outlined, good or bad, I'm not judging anybody, I'm just saying, people don't like it, when you call her outside of the lines, it's confusing. And, and it can be very upsetting for people, especially people who are like more, you know, structure oriented. So all of that to say that we all are made completely of energy, like completely, and everything is energy. This, you know, this podcast is being broadcast from three different physical homes, everybody's got a different microphone, we all have computers, doesn't matter. All of that is also energy. And when you get into the physical atoms of what looks like a solid structure, like a table, it's, it's mostly made up of empty space. And the atoms in that empty space are the same atoms that make us up as well. And there is a difference, because you know, the table does not have a creative life force that that is sentience, but it does have the energy of the creative life force, so everything is energy. Now, I was wondering when you said Reiki whether I was going to talk about this, and I've decided to so I've never said this out loud before because it's not something that I like get paid to do. But I was told a couple of years ago that I am a Reiki Master. I've never studied Reiki However, when I'm in a hospital, my hands automatically just come up and go and do Reiki on people who are sick, and they get better. I've seen it happen often enough that I'm like, Okay, this is a thing, I am not making it up. And I believe that that gift expanded, because when I was in Egypt, having my spiritual awakening, I started blessing my food. So I would hold my hands up, and I would attempt to activate the energy in my hands with my thoughts, so that I could connect to my food. And if you ever hear me pray over a dinner table and I do pray over all my dinner tables, what it's what I say is, I'm so grateful and I'm grateful for the food made with loving hands and the food going from farm to table and as I do that I am energetically activating my hands connecting with that food because that food is full of atoms and molecules that make me up and when I claim that that is all turning into love and light in my body, it really will help me shift what you know what what we focus on expands. So when we spend all that time going on on the lips, a lifetime on the hips, what do you think that's doing to our bodies? Where is that chocolate cake going? Exactly. Whereas when you claim that it is turning into love and light in your body, when you are blessing it when you are connecting with it, and when you are deliberately present moment Terry enjoying it, it shifts how it processes in your body. Now, I don't understand all of it. But I understand that it is true. And my programming growing up was always don't eat that you're going to get fat, which is very confusing because Jewish families do this thing where on the one hand, it's don't eat that you're going to get fat. And on the other hand, it's Did you finish your dinner, you're going to get sick, if you don't eat all your food. Both of these things are going to this Did you know there were starving children in China. So all these things are going at the same time. And so you're gonna get really confused. And if you have strong personalities in your life, like I did, you get really confused. So I've spent my whole life going or any food that I put in my mouth, other than lettuce will make me fat. And I was guess what I was fat my whole life my whole life. When I was six, I was a size six, when I was eight, I was a size eight, when I was 12. I was a size 12. I thought that was how it went. I was sure by the time I was 16, I was about a 1416. And I stayed there until I was in my mid 40s when I finally came into a new understanding, which by the way was for me doing 12 step for food. And what I came to understand is that control is the master addiction. And when I learned that it didn't matter what else I did, as long as I gave the control over to my higher power. And once I started doing that, everything began to shift in my life in a really, really good way. And Roy, in my opinion, everything that I said everything. And everything we talked about all the throughout this entire conversation is all about energy, because it's what are you putting out in the world? And what do you expect to get back? Or do you think that that Reiki would have worked as well on you, if you had said this doesn't work? This is crap. As she put her hand on, you know, there's no way

Roy Barker 37:23

you had to, you have to have an open mind and be receptive. And it's it's funny, because I just wrote down the three words that as we started doing that I had had, I'd had one of the worst weeks that I've had in the last couple years. Like I had a one time on a Tuesday and a Thursday. And I went Thursday night and I almost didn't go because you know, I was just out of sorts, but I went. And so as she, as she started doing her thing, you know, I kept my eyes closed and was just kind of meditating. And it was like I was between sleep and consciousness. But I just that's called the theta state. Yep, yeah, I just might, it was all also to my chest just swelled up, I could just feel everything welling up in me. And then the three words that came to mind were patience, peace and strength. It was the most bizarre, you know, half because those are the words I needed to hear at that time. But I just felt, yeah, it was kind of like an out of body out of body experience almost that, anyway, that, that and the other thing that I've started doing when I meditate is you know, people kind of snicker about the old, you know, the picture of the person sitting there with their hands like that, but you know, what I have become to find is, that's, that's my antenna, or that's me, you know, I love it all bringing it all to me. And I just feel like I'm much more receptive if I can put my hands in that pose that it's like I'm welcoming in, you know, whatever God has given me at that time.

Halle 39:01

And the mudras, which are the different positions of the hands, each one actually has, and I couldn't tell you what each one has a different meaning. So when you see the pictures of the Buddha, and the Buddha is doing this, this is a giving and receiving pose of the Buddha's. So that's, that's this particular mudra and it is a mudra. But to but the normal mudros for meditation, you you bring your thumb and forefinger together in a circle, why are you doing that you are creating a closed circuit, so does a closed energy circuit that is allowing like a circular experience of energy where it goes out and it goes in and so you're having that flow, and then there are different mudros you know, like, some like like this one, or like two fingers up, and then the rest of the fingers close. Those are all different moods that you could use. And another thing that you can do To create that closed circuit, but also to allow the flow is to clasp your hands as well and turn them over so that your palms are facing up and sit with your hands in your lap like that. That's another way to create that antenna thing. It's not coming through your fingers, it's actually coming through your crown chakra. Right? And it's so it's the full of flow of that energy is coming through. I mean, it's too literal to say like looks coming from the heavens into the top of your head and going throughout your body. And yet, that's actually a really comforting way of thinking about it. And let me ask you about that what you said about welling up so you were talking about your like your heart welling up, did it feel like a bunch of emotions welling up? Or did it feel like your heart was very full, which was it?

Roy Barker 40:49

I think it was very full, it wasn't welling up emotionally. But it was just like, rap prior to these words coming to me, it was just like all the energy. You know, I don't know if it was that it's like, everything just kind of rushed up in here. And I just felt no puffed up empowered. Okay. Like, that's kind of like, you know, super how you think super great.

Halle 41:15

I love it. I love it. Okay, so Joe dispenza, who is a chiropractor turned brain scientist who loves all this stuff. Joe dispenza talks about this idea of what he calls heart coherence. And heart coherence is now he's he so he works with a company called heart math. And they will they do biofeedback. So they've actually done lots and lots of tests, because the tests they've done are too crazy. Like, if you weren't hooked up to machines that were empirically proving what he's saying, you'd be like, yeah, that's a bunch of crap. But they're there. They hook people up to the computers, and the computers record the information. And that's how they know. So for example, they did DNA tests. And this is at the beginning of the book, breaking the habit of being yourself if anybody's interested. Okay. Well, and you haven't read it yet. All right, well, okay. Now, so. So this is you're gonna, you're gonna be like, run, don't walk to this book at the after, after you hear the story. So the experiment that they did was they they took DNA strands, okay, now DNA strands are double helix, right? There's two that you can see, it's actually 12. But that's a whole other conversation. There's, so it's a double helix, the two intertwine strands, and they took these two intertwine strands, and they gave them in test tubes to people. And they asked people to set an intention to unwind the strands of DNA. I don't know if you've ever heard the expression, it's in your DNA. What does that mean? It's completely unchangeable forever, because you can't change your DNA. And that's like, what? Okay, so you shouldn't be able to do anything to change your DNA. Are we in agreement about that? Yeah. Okay. So he did three different groups, the first group, simply set the intention. The second group went into heart coherence, which is this feeling of flooding your heart with love, until it feels so full that it is about to burst sound familiar, Roy. And then the third group first experienced heart coherence and then set the intention of unwinding the strands of DNA. The first group, nothing, the second group, nothing asked me the percentage that the strands of DNA were unwound. And the third group that had both heart coherence and following that intention, what do you think the percentage of DNA that was unwound?

Roy Barker 43:43

100%.

Halle 43:45

And that would be less really cray cray? No, no, it wasn't that high. But it was 25%. way bigger than or no, but but it's 1%. You'd be like, that didn't happen, right? 10% you'd be like, no way. But 25% is obviously not a coincidence, right? It's not a placebo kind of an effect. So why did the DNA on wind by even by that 25% it was the combination of heart coherence and intention. So he says, you put your like to create intent to create a result that you desire to manifest something, you would fill your heart with love, feel all the puppies, you know, the yummy puppies in the world, all those kitten videos that you've ever seen, plus the person you were madly in love with before they broke your heart, all those yummy feelings, and then you set your intention for the thing that you want to manifest. So, Roy, what you said really reminded me of that because it is a precursor. When you feel like that when you feel like your heart is so full. It is a precursor to setting your intention now I can't see your stomach. I can only see your from the neck up. But you look like you're not.

Terry 45:07

What would you say?

Roy Barker 45:08

I said, that's by design. The camera

Halle 45:11

you, you look like you don't need to lose any weight. But let's say you still need to lose some weight. Okay? Right? Yeah, we can go, right? Okay. So the first thing to do is to set the intention of releasing, not losing, right releasing it. And the next thing to do is to combine your intention to release Why don't we want to lose weight because we want we'll have to find it again, we want to find the things we lose, you don't want that right. So we release the weight. And we do it, if you choose to, you could do it by creating that heart coherence, that feeling of everything is enjoy in in alignment, enjoy and my heart is so full, it could burst. And then seeing yourself visualizing yourself at your ideal weight. What happens though, instead and this, you know, the harv eker t harv eker says where intention goes, energy flows and results show that's his little expression, right? So but what we focus on expands right, if you want to, you know, you want to see in your minds, you can hold it in your hand. That's what my my crypto coach says. So I love all of those things. Thoughts are things right, Wallace wattles said that we when we when we talk about losing weight we're talking about we're making ourselves wrong. When we talk about how fat we are, we're making ourselves wrong when we talk about, oh, I'm eating this chocolate cake. And it's going to go right to my hips, we're making ourselves wrong. When all you do is focus on I am my ideal, perfect body weight. At the same time that you have that beautiful love filling your heart, you're combining this magnificent brain power that you have with your heart energy, to the visualization of your brain with the heart Love energy. And that's where the magic can really start to happen. So I just, I wanted to share all of that with you with your listeners, because I know from my own experience, but also from the AHA that I've had. I was at the I was at the dolphin cancer challenge, which is here at a Cancer Center in Miami. And I was there for like the fourth year in a row. And I've never gone back since because I got the message loud and clear that day. I looked up and there was a banner right over me and the banner said 60,000 people fighting cancer, and all of a sudden it just hit me like a ton of bricks. What if those 60,000 people were affirming perfect health? Who wants to fight cancer? First of all, it has the energy of cancer right in the words. Secondly, it's got the energy of struggle, right in the words, right? We are fighting the thing we don't want. What if we just focused on the thing that we do want? What happens when you water? The negative tree, it grows, what happens when you water the positive tree it grows. So the trick is starve the negative tree don't give it any energy. Because what happens to a plant that you don't give any energy to it dies. withers and dies. Know

Terry 48:37

that. Yeah, we still needed to hear that right now. Yeah, there have been there's been a little negativity.

Halle 48:45

We all get that, right. Look, there's two there's two things Terry, there's, there's what happens. And then there's how we react to what happens. And actually there's a third thing which is getting ahead of it. So that it it you can co create so that it always just happens positively. Right? However, sometimes stuff happens from the outside that is so far out of your control that you you or you weren't expecting it to the point where you, you couldn't get ahead of it. Now you still wait can't get ahead of it. Now you're like, Oh my gosh, I'm drowning. That's where you take those three deep breaths, you get present and you begin to say, like when we're in fear, doubt, uncertainty, unhappiness, negativity, any anger, whatever. get curious. Curiosity is an amazing tool. Hmm, I wonder why I feel like that. Hmm. I wonder if I could feel different. Could I allow myself to feel different? Would it be okay with me if I wasn't upset and the things still happen, right, we can have that whole interaction, right. And now your brain starts to shift out of the negativity because you've actually put it on. You're like, Come over here. Let's go over here and let's get onto this track instead of that really well worn One that you're so used to going down.

Terry 50:03

That's awesome.

Roy Barker 50:04

That's a great ending thought, I know I've got a, I know you've got a hard stop that I know you'll never take my call again, if we blow through that.

Terry 50:15

vapors.

Roy Barker 50:17

We could go on talking for a couple more hours, it's always a pleasure speaking with you. And so before we get away a couple things we always like to ask though, is, what is a tool or a habit. And I know that we've talked about a few but a tool or a habit that you use every day that really helps you in your personal life or your professional life, something that you just can't do without.

Halle 50:41

I call it working out at the spiritual gym. And to me, it's the habit of getting up in the morning, going into prayer, meditation, and for me, it's yoga stretching, if I don't stretch my body, it means my mind isn't going to stretch. So that's what I tend to do. That is what I tend to do and and I believe that whatever your practice is that you you can help yourself by working out at the spiritual gym and have another recommendation if we have a second

Roy Barker 51:16

we've got plenty of time. I brought a prop.

Terry 51:19

Okay.

Halle 51:20

Yeah, my, my new book neutral glamorous, how to feel beautiful inside and out. And a lot of what I'm talking about today, that bumper sticker coaching stuff and also on the tools to workout at the spiritual gym can be found in neutral glamorous, so I just wanted to I just wanted to really recommend that if people would like more help with that. And you can actually buy it on neutral glamourous neutral is en nu t Ri neutrik glamourous calm, or they can also buy it on Amazon. And I think by the time this airs, the audible book will be out the book will be out on Audible.

Roy Barker 52:03

Okay, so So tell us also, before we get away, tell us not about the podcast where we can find it. And then also, you know, I know that you do some coaching and other things tell us you know who you'd like to work with? How you can help them and then of course, how they can reach out and get a hold of you.

Halle 52:20

Oh, thank you. Well, I want to work with anybody who is looking for a giant transformation in their lives ready for that quantum leap. Maybe they've worked with other coaches, maybe they've been struggling with something for often their whole lives. I love working with people to help them I tend to focus on women entrepreneurs over 40 however, I have different types of clients that I work with, if you do go to my website, though, you will find that it is highly focused on the goddess energy. Sorry, I dropped my phone. And and you can go to the easiest way to get to my website is, is it's halleeavelyn.com but the easiest way to get there is to go to Halle mindset calm, because mindset is so much easier to spell than Eavelyn. So it's highly like Mary H A L L E and then Halle mindset calm. And when you're there, you can subscribe to get all the latest information about my books, my upcoming tours, I'm doing my next tour to Egypt in October, and which is a tour about balancing the sacred divine masculine and feminine. And then you can also get all the information about the podcast, the podcast is called your goddess awakened, I would type in your goddess awakened and my first name Holly, because there's so many goddess things that like you know, they suggest to you and the podcast is still so new. But it's on like 17 platforms. We're on iTunes as of like, I don't know, two weeks ago. And then it's also a show on YouTube. And you can subscribe on any platforms, you just go to your favorite podcast platform and type in your goddess awakened and Halle. And then hopefully that will come up for you. And then please subscribe on the site. Also, there is a free gift on the site right on the front page called three keys to slay your inner critic. So pick that up for yourself as well while

Roy Barker 54:17

you're there. Oh, yeah. All right. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking time out of your day. It's always a pleasure and you'll have to come back. We got plenty to talk about. that's gonna do it for us for another episode of feeding fatty Of course. I am Roy.

Terry 54:32

I'm Terry. Holly. Thank you so much. This has been great.

Roy Barker 54:36

You can find us on all the major podcast platforms as well iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. A video of this interview will go up on YouTube when it goes live as well. We're on all the major social media networks. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. Bye

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Managing Stress Is Important To Achieving Emotional and Physical Wellness with Elizabeth Di Cristofano

It was such a week such a hectic, exhausting week that, I think it is building into the day today. But, you know, we we have the control over it. It's how literally how we could talk now we talk to ourselves with switch that mindset of Yes, we're having a crappy morning, but you know, what we have the rest of the day.

About Elizabeth

As a Functional Medicine Certified Health Coach, Elizabeth sets out to inspire women, specifically women over 40, to take back their life and vitality by getting to the root cause of their overall health. Health and wellness has been in Elizabeth's world for the last decade and has evolved as soon as she turned 40.

Elizabeth's career was mainly in the apparel corporate world, working for companies including a New York designer brand and a Fortune 500 company. A career that was not sustainable and in the midst of her starting her own health journey she experienced burnout. Taking on a mind/body approach, Elizabeth started incorporating optimal nutrition, meditation, journaling, daily workouts and movement and practicing setting boundaries all in which helps her thrive in everyday life.

But that was not always the case in her life. She battled an eating disorder when she was 15 which showed back up again recently and is just now in recovery. Elizabeth started building her own business in her forties and offers her services as a Health Coach to help high achieving and high performing entrepreneur female 40-60 years old who needs to operate at peak state in order to meet the high demands of corporate, family and social life – an area in which she is really familiar with.

She is a host of an alternative health and wellness podcast called The Root Of Our Health, which ties in with her mission of changing behaviors by empowering entrepreneurial women in their 40's and beyond to know their self worth! Even her message at the end of every podcast episode is "You are worth it" Her motto she lives by is love, laughter and to live la dolce vita!

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Managing Stress Is Important To Achieving Emotional and Physical Wellness with Elizabeth Di Cristofano

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

stress, thinking, elizabeth, people, happening, adrenal fatigue, podcast, adrenal, thyroid, day, throw, talking, hard, eating, functional medicine doctor, good, feel, test, amazon, deal

SPEAKERS

Terry, Elizabeth, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:05

Hello and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty This is Roy necessary. So we are the podcast of course we are journey chronicling our journey through this wellness through eating better exercise, getting more exercise, reducing stress, all those great things that we need to do in order to live a more, you know, happy fulfilled, healthier life. And so also too from time to time we have guest on and after the morning we've had we had to make emergency phone call to Elizabeth and I'm gonna let Terry in very introducer

Terry 00:41

Elizabeth DiCristofano know sets out to inspire women as a functional medicine as functional medicine certified health coach, specifically women over 40 to take back their life and vitality by getting to the root cause of their overall health. Health and Wellness has been an Elizabeth world for the last decade and has evolved as soon as she turned 40. Elizabeth started building her own business in her 40s and offers her services as a health coach to help high achieving and high performing entrepreneur, female's 40 to 60 years old. She's the host of an alternative and wellness podcast called the root of our health which ties in with our mission of changing behaviors by empowering entrepreneurial women. You are worth it is her motto, Elizabeth? Thank you. Oh my gosh, do we need you? We need you. Oh especially today, I was not good today.

Roy Barker 01:37

It was funny because I know you like to talk about stress. And then you know, before the show we were talking about I think we all had a rough week and then for some of us this morning has started off just where we left off yesterday was like Okay, let's deal with this stress. So we don't run the rest of our day and we don't run the rest of our our health and wellness.

Elizabeth 01:59

Yeah, yeah, no, and I you know, like you said, it started started out that way so minded too. I you know, it was such a week such a hectic, exhausting week that, you know, I think it is building into the day today. But, you know, we we have the control over it. It's how literally how we could talk now we talk to ourselves with switch that mindset of Yes, we're having a crappy morning, but you know, what we have the rest of the day. So how are we going to spend it? So yeah,

Roy Barker 02:34

yeah, you know, I'm, I'm gonna mute. I'm gonna I'm gonna mute Terry. So jump in here. But yeah, for the last, you know, 30 minutes or an hour, it's just been terrible. And, you know, I think that same thing, I think, I don't want this to ruin the rest of my day. I've got other stuff because you know, when it's just seems to just have piled on. And so what I want to do when it piles on like that, is of course, I just want to sit down and find something to eat is not, that is not the way to handle that. And so, you know, that's part of what we are, I'm gonna say me, that's part of what I'm working on, is trying to figure out, okay, you know, this has happened, I can't go back and change it, it's gonna mess up the trajectory of my day, and probably the weekend, so you know, how to deal with it. One thing I have found is that's interesting is sometimes when we go through these, it happens for a reason that we come out on the other end, and we're like, Okay, I'm better off than I probably would have been had things happen the whale, but as we're going through it, you know, that is just difficult. That's not an easy thing to think about.

Elizabeth 03:46

Yeah, no, and you're right, right. It's like, you know, going through it. You're, you're you're wondering, Well, what the hell is going on? You know, why? Why am I doing this? Why am I feeling this, and sometimes you just surrender to, to like the foods and surrender to things because you're so freakin tired. And you're so like, you're just you're just wanting to, you know, like, get get away from that pain, really. So that's what happens is when media stress, we're not thinking clearly, we're just surrendering to whatever is coming up in our lives. You know, and it's tough. It is tough. And now you your Outlook, though, of, you know, getting out on the other end, seeing seeing a different light of, you know, the reason why it happened. That's a good outlook. A lot of people don't even have that a lot of people have this, like, Oh, well, you know, it happened to me, it happened, you know, and it's just a loss. But understanding you know, things do happen in our lives, whether it's stressful or or great. That you know, sometimes you got to go through that pain to understand the good. Yeah,

Roy Barker 04:58

yeah, and it's the way You know, when you're in the moment, it's, it's hard,

Terry 05:03

hard to break. And yeah,

Roy Barker 05:04

you know, now once I kind of like came through, and it took a couple deep breaths, and that's something I've learned too is over the last month or two, you know, we've done the Riki wreck, whatever it is, whatever that word is, you know, we've done that we've tried to do more meditation, have some quiet time, even just for a few minutes to be more one. And so you know, realizing what's going on, taking four or five deep breaths to try to you know, rebalance and recenter is good. But you know what, I guess one thing that's frustrating for me, and it's my own fault, because I have so much that needs to be done. But it's like, okay, I really didn't have time to do stuff that I need to do today, tomorrow and the next day. So now, I'm going to take for things I should have been doing or needed to do today. And I'm going to push them out two days when didn't have enough so that some of that is self inflicted, I get that. But then on the other hand, it's like, it's just, it's things that need to be done. And it's not, you know, it's not like a choice, like, you know, I was gonna paint the fence today and say, Okay, well, I'm just not gonna do that. I mean, these are, to me, they're critical deadlines that just have to be met. And there's no, you know, the only way to do that, and then this is where I really go out of control, because then the next thing is the eating, then the next thing is staying up till two in the morning trying to get it done, and then you're tired. And then you want to eat, I want to eat more for fuel to wake me up. Anyway, that's a bad sign. Like,

Elizabeth 06:38

yeah, it is a vicious cycle. But let me ask you a question is this are these tasks, like, the hard tasks that you don't want to do? Are these you know, or these things that you find fun?

Roy Barker 06:53

Well, if, if things went right, it's fun. Okay, when things start to go bad, it's when they become not fun and become drudgery. And then, I have to admit, and then you wake up the next day, kind of, you know, all balled up, like, what's gonna, what's gonna happen today, and then it's like, do I even want to start down this path and like, get, you know, get hit in the head with somebody throwing rocks at you, when I could just not do anything. But that's not an option. I mean, it's stuff I'm got to do so. So both. So

Elizabeth 07:31

you know, and the reason why I asked him because that's, that's our, that's our default. When we have hard things, you know, we have a to do list, right. And we have these very hard thing door is that even hard, but it's like things that are, you know, if we have a creative mind, and these are just like, the processes and the things that we're not loving to do, um, we tend to kind of put them off, just because obviously, we don't love them. But what ends up happening, obviously, it's just like, goes and goes and goes, Okay, I'll do that tomorrow. I'll do that tomorrow. And then we procrastinate. And then until, like you said that last minute that you really, truly need to get it done, because it's a deadline, then you're stressed out, then you're like, eating, trying to stay up cuz it is a deadline, right? Before what I learned is that doing those hard things, or doing the things that don't like to do first, right, to get them out of the way? And yes, you know, sometimes, like you said, things could go wrong, and it has, especially if you're, you know, doing something that's technology bound, you know, it's like, something can't Yeah, right? Something can go haywire. And all of a sudden, that one hour that you you, you know, put on your calendar for that one task is now two or three hours. Yeah, that gets frustrating, right? Yeah.

Roy Barker 08:53

And that is the I think that's what kills me more than not wanting to do stuff because like I said, if, if I could just do it, and work through it, I'm really good with that. And I don't mind it. But what happens is, you know, just we can use today as an example. You know, we wake up, got woke up. About that's the worst. Yeah, this morning, I was thinking, Oh my gosh, we might get to sleep in a little bit. You know, we get a call from the Amazon delivery guy. And then, you know, while I'm up trying to sort this out, they just throw the package out at somebody else's house. So now spent, you know, 3045 minutes on the phone dealing with them, not going to get the thing and then of course, you know, we have some technical issues trying to even get this call up again, then it just you know, it's frustrating because I hate to waste our guests time and that's, that is my you know, I don't like to waste our time and we're tight schedule, but man when it bubbles over and affects somebody else out of my sphere, then you know that I hate that because, you know, I know that you Your time is by and your your very gracious, you haven't lost that. make that clear. You came home with a smile and did everything he needed to do, but I'm just saying it's just, uh, you know, and the good news is, I think we can we can say this now is that, you know, we were having some terrible internet issues for the last, I don't know, month, month and a half where, you know, we actually had a few episodes that we just had to quit taping mid conversation because the quality was terrible. So anyway, we finally got a new cable placed in the house and we got it turned up last week. But then again, it's been it's had consistent problems, you know, every day, when it works, it's awesome. But you know, when it does and then you know, at&t wants me to spend an hour or two on the phone with them trying to troubleshoot and so you know, that just it just, I guess it just starts compounding you know, with people. It's I it's not that they want my time frivolous frivolously it's just that they need my time, which is fine, but it's like I had zero time in my calendar today to mess with Amazon and to mess with 18th it was just weren't even on my radar. And now they have taken over my entire morning so far.

Elizabeth 11:20

Yeah. And that's, that's that's the thing, you see external. Relax with the better word crap that you noticed. It's like, you weren't expecting that. It's something that Okay, now you just woke me up out of the, you know, of something that I was trying to relax, right. So that external stress just came at you and of all things that didn't even turn out. Right. So if you've got the package, then I can see it being like, Okay, well, you know, it was it was for something, but it was nothing. Yeah. And then you still have to contact them to reorder I'm sure. And I mean, I've been there. And I think that's the The other thing we were talking about off off off camera was that, you know, I, again, I was I actually order two things. And those two things said attempted delivery. Well, no, I have to and I did already twice go back out to read deliver and they read delivered and still says

Roy Barker 12:24

attempted Oh my gosh.

Elizabeth 12:29

I'm stupid post office. But I I'm just saying you know, I get it. I get it. It's like those things to where you have a lot on your plate, you have your schedule full. And all of a sudden these outside stressors come to you. And it's like, I can't deal with you people. Yeah, you guys are just ruining my day ruining my world. And it's it's frustrating, but how are you? How are you dealing with it? Like, are you? Are you using your meditation at all for this? And

Terry 13:01

you? Well, different types of meditation

Roy Barker 13:07

was more using my Tourette's I think at the time. Yeah, well, you know, the reality is it was still bubbling over, like, you know, right when we were getting on this call. So that's part of the deal. I just haven't had time to deal with it. And you know, what I will say, at this point is like, you know, when you actually start verbalizing this, then you become like, Oh, my gosh, you mean I'm wasting my time even thinking about this, because, you know, it's like, it's kind of like the, it's like really is at the worst problem mean, there's people that are sick, there are people that are have financial issues. You know, they're people that are in accidents, or, you know, there's all kinds of Mayhem going on in the world, and you're frustrated about my Amazon package didn't get here,

Terry 13:53

and then you start thinking about the guilt. These other people are going through all this stuff. And then the guilt piles, I don't know if that's the mom thing, or that's the dad thing. I don't I don't know.

Roy Barker 14:04

It's just a thing, because I'm old enough to remember when you actually had to get in the car and go to the store to buy stuff. So now like, Okay, well, I was too lazy to get in the car to go buy this thing. So I ordered it for delivering and now I'm worried that I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna get it for 24 more hours. It's

Terry 14:24

so like, on demand. Yeah, and everything on demand. Right now drive thru service. Yeah.

Roy Barker 14:30

And, you know, again, when you're going through that you don't think about it but having a minute to take a break and really, you know, talk with y'all to is like, Oh my God, this sounds so corny, but I'm sure there are other people that are going through it as well.

Elizabeth 14:44

No, and you know, it's, it's the it's the times right. And that is why stress is like huge. It's a huge epidemic. Now it's because we want everything now. And no matter I'm I'm Gen X as well. So I know all about your the Hard times not the hard times the just the times where we actually had to have pick up a phone that's in your house and you didn't have a cell phone. You didn't have you didn't have these things deliver tea, you actually had to go out and especially I'm from, you know, Chicago, in the snow. You know, getting tracking in like Orpheus No, not really, I'm being dramatic, but, you know, just just picture that just picture like the kids and people nowadays try to do what we were doing back then. But it is I mean, but it switches your brain like that to it. See, it's the, like you said on demand, give me Now give me now I want it now. And when you don't have it, it's like, Ah, that's it. My life is over.

Roy Barker 15:45

Right. Exactly. Yeah.

Elizabeth 15:49

So there's one one thing I wanted to mention that to kind of keep going on this, but you mentioned that, you know, our problems aren't really, you know, big problems. You know, like, of the world of, you know, like, there's a lot of people suffering, there's a lot of people, and it goes through and through difficult things. I was just listening to a podcast, and it was one of these. Um, I don't know if you heard of Tim Ferriss, but podcast? Yeah, yeah.

Terry 16:17

I've been on a kick this week.

Elizabeth 16:19

Right. Okay, good. So I don't know if you've heard this one. But it was with a I don't know his name offhand. But basketball players, he's a big time basketball player. And he just mentioned that, you know, when you throw because, you know, we're all complainers, right? We all complain, complain. So when you throw your complaints on the table, and you have everybody else share their complaint, you quickly like, Oh, I'm gonna take this back. It's like that what you guys are going it's like, you know, 10 times worse or 100 times worse. And if we're not comparing, but it's understanding that you know, what, we've got a good we got we got a good, so it's more or less, like getting the energy out of what we're feeling. And they'd be like, Okay, I'm done, then, you know, then we can go on. But yeah, yeah,

Roy Barker 17:13

I think that's it sounds like a, I guess now I feel like I've thrown my tantrum. And I'm gonna try to, you know, pick up and move on. Yes, let's try to pick me up off the floor and say, Hey, quit throwing your gun along here. Hey, we all do it. You know, so I've read something that was really, it was really, to put things in perspective the other day, because it was a, I guess it was a lady that was just talking about, you know, how these seniors this year have had it so bad, and all of the stuff that's going on, and they miss their dances, and I get that in a senior, you know, when you're that age in that world? Yeah, it's a big thing. But then somebody replied to her is like, Well, I was telling my husband about this. And he said, Well, yeah, but you know, for those of us that graduated from 1964, to 1970, our senior trip was to Vietnam. And so I was like, wow, yeah. Yeah, you know,

Terry 18:17

yeah. Yeah. Just trying to find perspective is, and and when you're going through it, like, you don't really think about, think about sitting there and just being with the issue, and risk, you know, just just being with it. It's afterward when you're like, Oh, well, I just wasted all that time, then you think, Oh, my God, I just wasted all that time. So what, you know what now? Now, I'm mad that I wasted the time thinking about it. Well, there's a reason for that. Okay, what is it a loser? I'm gonna tell you.

Elizabeth 18:53

So what happens when we're stressed out like that is, it's called the amygdala hijack. So what happens is your amygdala is the one that processes all the information, you know, stress response, you know, stuff like that, like all of these, you know, basically, your smart brain, your smart area, right? And what happens is it just shuts down. So you don't think clearly, when when you have you know, when you're either angry or just stressed out or something like that. And then what happens is your cortisol levels go up, your adrenaline goes up. So when your brain shuts down in your journal goes up, that you're not thinking properly. You're not you're not you're just going through what you want to get achieved at that moment. Right. And, you know, it's like from a long time ago, this is what happens to fight flight or freeze, like, really the fight or flight is from the olden times of Paleolithic times where saber toothed Tiger runs after you What are you going to do? Either you're going to fight it or you're going to you're going to flee. You're going to run So that is where now the saber toothed Tiger is our stressors like that Amazon dies, your stressor. So you're, you're fighting it, you're you're putting all your energy in fighting this, this one stress. And so your amygdala is shut down, and you're not really thinking clearly until it just, you know, you rest that you are calming down after. And then you're like, oh, okay, I shouldn't, you know, I should have said this, I shouldn't have done this, you know, blah, blah, blah. So that's what's happening is, when you have that, that stress response versus that rest and digest, it's kind of like you're doing, you're going your action, and then you're actually thinking about afterwards. So,

Roy Barker 20:43

so what can help us slow our roll, though? Or is there anything that can, you know, help us from going from like, you know, zero to 60. And then spending that time going through that, and then trying to come back down? I mean, that because that's what I was thinking are very, is just, you know, if I could have just not launched on these numbers, like, like, multiple things is like, kept coming, kept coming. And, you know, it's like that, and then that doesn't help that escalates it, because then I'm thinking, not only my thinking about these issues to deal with and process and figure out, but then it's like, Okay, well, I have these other four things on my schedule this morning that I am not addressing at all. So that's the, I think, you know, for me, that's what I want to figure out is just like, recognizing that in the beginning, and maybe I should have done it, maybe I need to be more conscious of that emotion climbing and just say, Okay, I gotta step away, sit down and just do my little 10 minute, you know, meditation or breathing?

Elizabeth 21:47

Well, you said it right there. I mean, it's, it's not it's not easy. I, you know, I mean, we all go through it just because it's, it is it piles up, you get overwhelmed, and it's like, you know, I have this, this and you're thinking in the future, right? You're, you're thinking you're going through your present, you know, turmoil or stress, you're thinking of what's happening? What, how is this going to affect the future? And that's even causing more stress, right. So you just mentioned, you know, stepping out of it, and kind of getting into maybe, breathing, you know, breathing. So when we breed, we kind of, you know, slow it down. It's easier said than done. You know, people think, Oh, you know, I breathe every day. But when you get stressed out what happens? You don't, you Your, your breathing is shallow and or you don't read, so yeah, stop. And like, when you're talking to that guy, or when you know, or female or whomever, as they're talking, instead of thinking about it, kind of be mindful of how you're reacting to it. And then taking a deep breath while they're talking, whatever they have to say, and then kind of like, address the issue. So that's, you know, it's, again, it's being mindful of the situation before it takes control of you. Yeah, um, again, it's easier said than done. But you know, practice, we have to practice it, it's all

Terry 23:17

well enjoy you. You are really, I have to give you kudos, because you are really good at helping me recognize when that is happening to me. And it happens a lot, because I just, especially with technology, I am not I just do not have a technological brain at all. And I want it to work like it should. Like I think it should, yes, but but you I mean, you're you are always Okay. Take a deep breath, step back, let's evaluate the situation. You need to be kinder to yourself, and maybe offer yourself a little grace in that process.

Roy Barker 23:57

Yeah, it's it's hard. And I but I think it's like, it's like the, it's like eating or, you know, it's like, I think we talked before about you know, that one time that I just kind of, I was working and then hates I woke up because I was awake. But it's like, the realization came up that well, I'm standing here at the cabinet with my hand in these, this was, luckily was chickpeas, it wasn't chips, but I'm standing here with my hand in a bag of something, do I really need that. And so I think that mindfulness or being in tune with yourself translates into these situations is you kind of have to feel yourself in that escalation and try to, the sooner we can get to it, the better off we are, to mitigate it instead of you know, letting it get to the point where I was while ago just totally out of control. Because then it's a lot harder to it's a lot harder to make that turn and then the other thing I was gonna say is that you know, I've got some good advice, one time from From my priests, then he just, we were talking about the mindset and stuff. And he just said, Look, it's our choice. What we, you know, our mind is a grinder, and it's our choice of what we grind. And that's a, it's a good analogy. So what I'm trying to think of now is like, instead of grinding on this Amazon and 18 t thing all day, you know, I've got to somehow get past that. And think about all the other great stuff that's going on, you know, the other opportunities, focus on the good stuff.

Elizabeth 25:31

Yeah, no, that's exactly it is you hit it on the head, because it's, it's how you how you think, you know, determines how you feel, and you've determined your actions, right? So as you keep thinking, the negative, you know, and being angry, and all of that, that's gonna, it's gonna go throughout your day, and it's gonna also whatever you touch or whatever, you know, things happen. They're going to be negatively there. So so you know what I'm saying? Like, say, for example, you're, you're still going right? You're still you know, kind of, you know, on that that stressed moment, and then after this call, you're still stressed? Well, what do you think is going to happen, these are going to stay stressful for you, because you're, that's your, that's what you're thinking what you think you attract. So you're going to attract, stressing, you know, situations, and you're just gonna be like, Oh, my God, this day just sucks. That's it. But ya know, your, your previous was right on and having, it's kind of like pulling, pulling yourself outside of that situation, you're kind of looking in a different perspective. And like, kind of overhead and seeing, like, kind of an out of body experience. I've seen what you're, you know, how you are, how you're clenched up, how you're physically, how you're speaking how you're mentally? And then it's kind of like, Okay, well, I don't have to be this way. And doing like you said, that choice. So yeah,

Roy Barker 27:05

yeah, then the other thought is about the wasted time. And this is what I'm gonna try to think of next time. It's like, I can waste this hour or so, you know, being upset. And then, you know, kind of have one of these revelation moments where it's like, well, in the scheme of life, it's really not that big a deal. And we can't change it. So there's no use worrying about it, it's done. Let's move forward. Trying to think that earlier in the event, because then it's like, we don't have to waste. You know, there's no use wasting that time being upset, but I can feel it. Like, it just starts in your stomach. And so many people say everything, you know, most 80% of our stuff starts in a slump, like I feel it starting there. And it just like rushed up, you know, through my chest and into my head. You could just feel the pressure. You know, it's just like a pressure cooker of boiling water, I guess. Yeah. Physically. Yeah. You know, 10 stuff. Yeah. So then you have to think about, you know, having to think about how to fix Terry because she said, No, we're, you know, six feet. So I know that she was like, Oh, my God, do I need to do I need to run inflammatory? You know, what am I gonna do here? But then also those poor people on the other lady on the on the Amazon, I was pretty nice to her. I'm like, you were very nice. I told her. I said, Tell your drive to get it. Right. And that way, you don't have to talk to crazy people. Like

Elizabeth 28:29

that's a good thing, knowing that that, you know, she couldn't really it's not her fault.

Roy Barker 28:34

Yeah. And that's the unfortunate part is, you know, most of the time, we tend to take it out on people that are closest to us, or that really can affect I mean, you know, they just they can't so yeah, anyway, trying to recognize that earlier, so just don't have to go through all this because I can only imagine like, what does that do to our insides? Yeah, you you've been doing good said segue. You've been? You've mentioned adrenal adrenal glands. You just did a four part series on your podcast.

Elizabeth 29:08

Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it does. Physically, you know, in your body. It does a lot to you. So the reason why I bring up adrenal, adrenal is and and actually more specifically Adrenal Fatigue is because that is what I actually went through. Two years ago, I mean, I am a high stress person, I'm, it is what it is, I'm, you know, type a, you know, control freak, all of that. So, I'm a high stress person. So what I'm teaching, usually I need to learn, right? That's what you tend to do. You tend to teach what you really need to learn yourself and going through the process going through, you know, all of these things. So, so yeah, two years ago, um, you know, I was going, I don't know what I basically I put a lot of stress on myself. So one thing is is, you know, there was Outside stressors I was just doing, I was trying to get a business going. And I was putting a lot of stress on myself. And it was at the same time when, you know, I was like, I was 41. And I'm and I just started getting bloated and getting irritable, crying all the time. I'm yelling, like yelling at my husband, and just just overall, like, my face was puffy. Um, I was feeling exhausted after my workouts. So I was like, okay, something is going on. And I and I felt that at my age, I was a little too young to have perimenopause. So then I was like, Alright, I heard about this thyroid thing. Let me you know, let me go to a doctor and check it out. Now, I don't know if I spoke about this before. But, um, I didn't want to go to an allopathic Doctor Doctor, like a regular, you know, conventional doctor, just because, from what I heard, they don't do a thorough fiber test. Like, you know, you if you're the baseline, you're okay, you're, you're there's nothing wrong with you. But I know I knew better. So I went to the functional medicine doctor and got the thorough thyroid panel done. And he basically said, You have adrenal fatigue. And, you know, the symptoms that, you know, showed up and showed up in my life, like, for the longest time was low blood sugar. So I would think I would, you know, get dizzy after, you know, standing up and doctors took, you know, the test, and they're like, you have low, low blood sugar, nothing

Terry 31:31

like, Okay,

Elizabeth 31:32

and then low blood pressure. So all of that is low. So what ends up happening is when you're stressing out your body, and my, my doctor told me this, but you have these reserves, your adrenals basically sit there small glands that sit on your kidneys, right, and they're on the upper and upper abdomen. And what happens is, when you're when you get that stress your thyroid, you get low thyroid, and then what happens is you're you're stressing out your adrenals. And then you're, it's just basically depleting your adrenal and your adrenals are there to kind of keep you like energy and all of that stuff. So I was depleting everything. And not only was it because of the stress was because I thought, you know, doing the hard workouts, high intensity was, you know, was good. It was supposed to relieve your stress, right? If you do hard and high intensity workouts, while you're going through this, it's actually stressing your body even more, and that's why I was exhausted. So that is why when you get stressed out chronic stress Now I'm not saying you know, like the acute stress is that you can, you know, have ever known them. But if you have chronic stress day in and day out. And this has to do not only physically what you're doing to your body, but mentally what you're telling yourself, and that's why we were talking, what you say to yourself is, you know what ends up happening as far as actions go. So it really depleted in my body into where I literally had to get off of caffeine, and I'm still on caffeine. And I, you know, had to change my diet. I was, you know, I was on this other diet that it was so stupid. I was on that carnivore diet. It was stupid. It was like one of the things that I said, you know, somebody on Instagram was a lady. Oh, yeah, you know, I cured my bloating this or something like that, my IBS. And I'm like, Oh, well, I'm bloated. Maybe I could try that. It was stupid. Anyway, so um, the reason why I say that is because I was the nutrients you know, that I needed in my body that I actually wasn't digesting, either. So your digestion is, when you're stressed, obviously is not going to be on point because you're eating quickly. You're not you know, being mindful of what you're eating. So I was always eating in front of a, you know, computer, it's stressed out because my job was stressful, yada yada, yada. So your digestion is is not as poor. And so then I had to get you know, digestive enzymes and you know, all of this stuff. And finally, I was like, I was like, I was great afterwards. So what um, yeah, so what ends up happening is your stress levels can affect and does affect its product stress and don't get it, you know, checked out and astruc excuse me distract your hormones. So your thyroid and your adrenals all of those. It definitely takes a toll on them.

Terry 34:33

So were you so were you diagnosed with hypothyroidism? it?

34:39

Oh,

Terry 34:39

I you know,

Elizabeth 34:41

I wasn't per se but it does go hand in hand because your thyroid and your adrenals are like brother and sister glands. So if you have hypothyroidism you for sure have adrenal fatigue or and then even worse adrenal, so there's adrenal fatigue and adrenal insufficiency and So again, if you don't get that adrenal fatigue checked out, chronic adrenal fatigue can lead to adrenal insufficiency, which I don't know if you guys have heard or maybe research, there's a thing called Addison's disease. And that is where, again, if it's a, you know, chronic it can get to that point to where you're just

Terry 35:19

laying on the floor, you know,

Elizabeth 35:21

you have nothing. I mean, you have nothing in you know, so yeah, there. I'm kind

Terry 35:27

of there. And I have taken levothyroxine for probably 20 years. I mean, I, I quit taking it for about a year and a half, two years. I mean, I just took quit taking all of my medication, and then I lost a bunch of weight. And I don't know how big Well, I do. I did I wasn't eating junk, as much. Anyway, I was eating some but yeah. And then, and then I started taking it again. And I don't know, I am just exhausted all the time. I don't feel well, physically, I just feel I it's just, we're just at where and we're at work, we're kind of going through a hard time, you know, stay in on our diet. We tried, we tried to start eating plant based and trying to get back into that mode. It's like, you know, we had one bad day and then led to another one and another one. It's like, Oh, forget it thrown in the towel. I mean, what we can get back on it. But I am, I am definitely tired. I'm thinking I may need to go do the,

Elizabeth 36:34

you do need to you do that test. I I recommend for anybody really, um, even at checkout kind of thing, because you don't know. And I, you know, I never knew that I was I had no vitamin D in me none. So it was, you know, obviously digestion and everything. So yeah, get that thyroid, you know, test into the full thyroid test? because that'll go through, I forgot what, you know, I'm not a practitioner. So I don't know exactly. You know, the difference of what they leave out, all I know is that there are certain things that kind of go deeper into your thyroid, and you know, checks a little bit. It, you know, more in the full thyroid panel.

Terry 37:23

I'm gonna have to do that. That's, um, that's, um, that's on my list. I'm putting it at top.

Elizabeth 37:28

Yes, do that. And just, you know, if you can't see a functional medicine doctor, that's fine. You can actually do it at home. But you know, there are I don't know, you know, offhand the best. You know, companies out there that do this, I know that there are some that are safe, that are very thorough. And I think, um, once you get that done, you definitely have to have it kind of, you know, go through with, like a practitioner or somebody even, you know, I can I do it too. As a health coach. I'm kind of, you know, walkthrough of what each, what each thing means. Okay, yeah,

Terry 38:12

okay. Well, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Don't laugh. What are you laughing? No, that's good. You need to do yeah.

Elizabeth 38:21

And that's a good baseline, you know, it's understanding what is off. I mean, you can be, you know, either estrogen dominant and you don't know that you could, you know, again, have all these vitamins that you think that you're getting, because you're plant based and you're not, your digestion couldn't be off. So a lot of things that, you know, we think that we take for granted. We don't know, I think this This test will definitely open your eyes and tell you.

Roy Barker 38:50

Okay, awesome. All right. Well, good. Well, I know we've run way over Elizabeth, so much. Yeah, no, I was gonna say, we, that's why we have had you back on again, because I think we ran we bumped up against some time last time. A couple things before we let you go. We we didn't really get to get the particular. So Terry, Terry told me that you had somebody on a special guest on one of your recent shows that we may know from a commercial that's out there.

Elizabeth 39:25

Yeah. So next, actually, it's next Thursday. It's going to be released. So DC line, sir. So he is the second half of the duo group tag team. I don't know if you guys know back in the 90s. You know, weren't there it is. Yeah. Well, there. He's back and they're back for that Geico. Commercial scoop. There it is. Yeah, yeah.

Terry 39:47

Yeah, I mean, every time

Elizabeth 39:50

Yeah, that commercial gets you it's in a got you got me and so he's doing his rounds only because, you know, he has a great day. Like, thinking he's very inspirational. Okay, cool. Very. I mean, I couldn't stop listening, then he basically talked throughout the whole thing, because it was very inspirational. You know, like, kind of, like a do it attitude, you know, like, you can go through doing your selling, you can go through any adversity and get out the other side. So it's very inspirational. And you know, obviously what he's him and his partners doing. Yeah. So thank you for bringing that up. So June 3, which is Thursday, it will be released.

Terry 40:40

Yeah, we can either. Oh, my gosh, I'm ready. Yes, yes. Then you are also,

Roy Barker 40:46

I think this has been a little bit back in time. But you talk with one of our friends as well. Dr. Carol?

Terry 40:51

activecare. Yes. Very.

Elizabeth 40:53

Yes. She was a delight. I love talking with her cheated her knowledge. And we actually, you know, kind of had a great conversation, obviously, because we were under the same functional medicine paradigm. Right. So it was, like I said, I can talk about this all day. And so yeah, it was a great conversation. I think that's going to be released. A few weeks? I don't know off the top my head right now. But it is going to be released in June, though. Okay.

Terry 41:22

Well, yeah, that's an inspiration just to hear about her combat and you know, being diagnosed with a brain tumor. Yes, having to relearn everything being in a wheelchair. And she said, she aged before her time, you know, when she was 15, she found out what it was like to be at, you know,

Elizabeth 41:39

yeah, yeah. And again, that's the, that's the adversity that we have to think about when we, when we do go through our own stuff. And it's not to say that our own stuff isn't, you know, that we shouldn't care about it. But I think, you know, understanding the adversity and the, you know, that people go through, and how resilient we all are. And we can you know, and it's just how you think about things.

Terry 42:08

So yeah, yeah, sharing and, and just being able to be inspired by other people's stories and knowing that you're not alone in this. Right. That's a big thing.

Roy Barker 42:19

Yeah. All right. Well, before we get out of here, tell us also, what is a habit or tool, something that you've been using here lately, that really helped add value to your life professional or personal either one,

Elizabeth 42:35

sitting on this bouncy ball? Oh, does it help with your posture? It houses my posture? Yes. I it's not one of those because I know they have one of those to where it has seating, you know, but this is an actual one that you can exercise. And I had it a long time ago. And I'm, you know, creating this office space and everything. And I gave my husband the the chair that I actually ordered for myself. I'm like, let me see if I can use this. And it's been I love it. I just, you know, I don't like when I do my work. I've had my music on and I'm dancing around and you're just you're moving? Yeah. So that's, that's something that's actually helped me kind of get through the day too.

Roy Barker 43:16

Yeah, because I use I actually did that it's been years ago, but it actually helps your core and your balance. But I will say if you're not careful, you will get bucked off every now and then like this, I go like this, and I roll up. Oh, that's not good.

Terry 43:34

Maybe we can get Is there a frame that you can put underneath that so it won't slip out? from under? Yeah, maybe, um,

Elizabeth 43:41

if you do, then you don't grow. It's like it stays put then then you get to enroll. So you just have to be careful. That's all.

Roy Barker 43:49

Alright. Well, Elizabeth, until everybody of course, how can they reach out to you? And then, you know, who do you like to work with? What can you do for them how they can reach out but also tell us about the podcast how they can find the podcast.

Elizabeth 44:03

Okay, well, the podcast is the root of our health. And, you know, the audience really is women over 40. But I do have topics that anybody can listen to men, women, you know, any age, but there are some topics that you know, menopause that we speak about a lot, and just in general for women over 40. So it's an alternative health and wellness because that's, you know, who I who I am and what I love to do. So that's the podcast and they can get that, you know, Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, I believe it's on. So yeah, and my website so you can also get my podcasts on my website, which is Elizabeth DiCristofano.com. And so that's my website and my Instagram is Elizabeth.DiCristofano . No, you know, that's the handout. The other place I live on is LinkedIn. So if you can find me my first and last name, pull me up.

Roy Barker 45:05

Okay. Yeah, we'll be sure to include all that. Sure. The spelling in the show notes form as well. Yeah. All right. Well, as usual, I'm going to thank both of you ladies for bringing me back here. I feel much better. Do you feel relieved? Yeah. Dawn, we can reboot this day and get on with it. Have a good day.

Elizabeth 45:26

Good day. Good weekend. Long, guys. Yeah, yeah, Mom. Yes. Memorial weekend. holiday. Yes, yes.

Roy Barker 45:34

All right. Well, yeah, y'all have a good weekend. There where you're at as well. And we appreciate you being back on so

Terry 45:42

thank you, Elizabeth. As always, it's a pleasure.

Roy Barker 45:46

So that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty Of course, you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We are also on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, we are also a video of this interview will go up on YouTube as well and you can find us on all the major social media platforms. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. Bye.

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

eat, cravings, people, sugar, blood sugar, diabetics, spike, drink, happen, bit, ice cream, brain, diet, problem, insulin, day, carbs, thought, metformin, water

SPEAKERS

Terry, Pim, Roy Barker

Roy Barker 00:02

Hello and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy. This is Terry. So we are chronicling our journey through wellness that includes diet, exercise, mindset, balance, energy, a lot of things that we have delved off into over the last six months having a bunch of great guests on so yeah, part of it is you know, just going through our journey what's up with us but from time to time we do have other professionals in the space on with us and today is no different. Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce Pim.

Terry 00:34

Pim Jansson is a Nutritionist MSC, a certified cravings coach and the founder of the Smart Diabetics Academy. For over 20 years she has been helping her clients get well with sustainable diet and lifestyle changes. Last year, she decided to start focusing on helping type two diabetics who are struggling with food, blood sugar control no matter what they do, and those who cannot seem to be able to stick with a specific diet for any length of time. The three pillars of diabetes reversal are real, unprocessed foods that do not spike blood sugar, proper meal timing and a healthy relationship with food. When the three are combined, magic can happen and diabetes and diabetic complications can be reversed. Pam, thank you for coming. Welcome to the show.

Pim 01:26

Thank you so much.

Roy Barker 01:27

Yeah, I'm thinking, I'm thinking strike three. I'm out. So I'm just gonna step away from the mic.

Terry 01:33

We're having one of those days. Yeah.

Pim 01:38

Everyone does.

Roy Barker 01:39

Yeah. Unfortunately, we string a bunch of hours together.

Terry 01:44

Okay, sorry. Couple of weeks.

Roy Barker 01:47

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So first off, tell us how you got here. I mean, how did you kind of, you know, find yourself in this space?

Pim 01:56

Oh, I think. So. If I can go back, like way back, I think, yeah, I actually been thinking about this, because people keep asking me, I'm like, I don't know, I've always been interested in it. But when I was six years old, I, a new girl moved into the area where I live, and she was type one diabetic. So I think that that's where, you know, when you're aware of a disease that no one else has, because no one else had it. When I was a kid, I'm that Oh, yeah, it was a novelty was like what is that always the sugar sickness. So you start picking up on it there when I was a teenager, people all over the place started popping up with type two diabetes, which wasn't the same, but I didn't really know what the difference was at the time. But when you're aware of something, you kind of, like, if you speak about something, you keep seeing it everywhere. So I think I just started picking it up, because I knew what they'd be this was I knew her what my friend had to do, as she always walked around with this sugar tablets in her pocket, just in case you would pass out that sort of the things. So I think I've always picked up on diabetes. And that has probably sparked my interest with a diet as well. So I was always into diet, and always been interested in diabetics, but a little bit scared of it. Because it's so serious people actually die from that.

Roy Barker 03:20

Yeah. And I think some of us that some of us that have been lucky to skate through even though we have it's not that bad. I guess I don't want to maybe we don't respect it enough or have the the proper amount of I don't know, we'll say fear. But we guess respect is it we just don't. You know, it's like, it's okay. We can start tomorrow

Terry 03:45

until something happens, right? I mean, what what does it take? Yeah.

Pim 03:51

normalize it. Everyone has it? So I'll be okay. Yeah.

Terry 03:57

Yeah, there are medications for that, you know,

Roy Barker 03:59

and we just watched they were watching something the other day that I mean, it just, you know, when they went through and listed all of the things, you know, it's, I think they're now referring to it as well, I guess they're referring to Alzheimer as type three diabetes, because it's such a precursor for it. But then what, and you can probably name them but loss of sight, loss of limbs. liver, I guess his liver kidney failure. Yeah. I mean, just there's nothing that that's good. Nobody. There's never anybody has never pointed out anything good. That's come from it.

Pim 04:40

No, I think I can agree on that. And the problem is that, I mean, blood sugar, obviously, you have blood supply to your whole body. So when you have high blood sugar, it's gonna affect your whole body. Yeah. So it's just like a lottery. But what's going to fail first, unfortunately, yeah, that's very, very sad.

Terry 04:59

And it's different. For everybody, I mean, nobody knows.

Roy Barker 05:03

Exactly. Yeah, we were we were actually watched a good YouTube video not long ago that was talking about how part of the problem is to is that, again, you may can explain this much better. But it's like the, the, something that gets locked up in our muscles, the I guess the sugar or the the glucose gets trapped in our muscles and it doesn't release and then it kind of builds up like the, you know, it's somewhat toxic. Not only is it bad in its own right, but you know, then when you go work out, and you kind of release some of that, then you can feel like you have toxins and things running through your body too.

Pim 05:44

Yeah, I'm not sure about that one. Actually, I know, we spoke about that before. And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna look into that. And then I didn't. But but it's very, very interesting. So I mean, I know why it would be locked up, because insulin is obviously a storage hormone. And what happens in type two diabetics is that before you get a deficiency of insulin, you are chronically high insulin for many, many years. So most type two diabetics probably probably have too much insulin, which means that you want your cells want one to release anything, whether that be glucose, or, or fat. So that's why diabetics often have fat, except for the liver that actually produces glucose, due to low blood sugar and kind of perpetuates the problem. So yeah, things are kind of going wrong. But why that toxic effect is that I'm not really sure. And I'm still gonna look into it.

Terry 06:43

When you have a smart diet, smart diabetics Academy, so what do you when when somebody comes to you to talk about their type two diabetes? What? What's the process? What kind of process Do you go through?

Pim 06:59

Okay, so most people who come to me then usually have already looked into a low carbohydrate diet, because that's what I'm working with. So I very rarely get someone who's on my standard American diet, just finding me. And then oh, maybe this is good. So what we do is we're kind of looking at what they are eating currently. And we try to tailor that to be a diet that doesn't spike the blood sugar. So the problem I see with many type two diabetics who tried to go low carb is that they misunderstand what a low carb diet is. They think it's just low carb, but also low fat. And that's never gonna end. Well. Yeah, to start. And then I see people, oh, I had a sip of orange juice, or I just had a cracker here. And the thing with those is that, yeah, they might just contain four, five or six grams of carbs. But it's really hard to count how many carbs are in a sip of orange juice, or how you react to a cracker because the wheat cracker that has been processed, can just spike your blood sugar, it's like everything goes out at once with it. And if you had had six grams of carbs from, let's say, a cold, bold potato, you wouldn't have got the same response. So we can't just count the carbs. As you know, I also focus on what sort of foods you're eating. So I don't recommend any diabetics to eat wheat, or sugar, or anything that is a very high glycemic index, those kinds of foods.

Roy Barker 08:39

You brought up something as well about the, you know, kind of the combination of what you're eating, but also how much how many carbs you eat, and when you do it, because I know, sometimes when I've talked with people, and you know, this is something I've learned over time is that, you know, my doctor initially said, hey, look, I want you to stay between like 40 and 60. carbs, he wasn't like trying to, you know, put me down to zero, but stay within that range. But what what, you know, you find out over time is that you can't eat 40 carbs for your supper, you can do you know, all of them at one time, because then it's just like throws you way out of whack. You've got to try to spread those out over the day. And I would assume that the probably the more if you need to eat a lot, you eat more first thing in the morning, and that way you could kind of burn them off through the day. Is that correct?

Pim 09:37

Yes, to some degree. So I recommend all my clients to not eat more than 10 grams of carbs per main meal. Because that way, you pretty much know what's going to happen with your blood sugar. It's very, very safe. As time goes along and the blood sugar comes down and stabilizes. Then we can start adding more carbs if they want to. It's completely up to them. But What we want to do initially is just get blood sugar stable, sometimes it's stable, but high because your body adjusts, and it has a higher setpoint for your blood sugar. So your body think that maybe 100 120 130 is normal, and it will strive to keep that level for quite some time. But when that stabilizes and goes down, then we can start experimenting with adding a little bit more if we want to, on average, how

Roy Barker 10:27

long does that that little hangover there last? Is it like a week or a month? Or?

Pim 10:33

I can't tell you because some people literally fix the blood sugar in a week. Other people, it might take two months.

Roy Barker 10:42

Okay, so the only reason I asked is, you know, we have tried to eat more plant based. And it's, it's odd, because the one thing I've noticed about trying to be more plant based is very, very consistent, where, you know, when I was doing more what I would term low carb, our protein, I still would have wild spike, not wild, I guess. But you know, I can still have very predictable spikes. And, you know, it's funny because we used to, I could do good, like going to bed, you know, maybe I'd be at 125 110 or whatever. But when I would wake up in the morning, you know, I'd be in 161 at a time in that spike range. But one thing I noticed about this plant basis, whatever I went to bed with, I woke up with that the next morning, it's very strange thing.

Pim 11:33

Yeah. Okay.

Roy Barker 11:34

So Oh, I'm sorry, I but what I was gonna finish on that was what you were saying is that it was like I moved it to a certain point. And then it couldn't I couldn't get past that. But now it makes sense with what you're saying is that, well, maybe my mind has been at a certain level for so long that my body was trying to produce glucose to keep me up there. So maybe I could have just we should have just kept going a little bit.

Pim 12:05

Somewhere, but is your level now?

Roy Barker 12:08

Oh, my gosh, I don't even want to. I think I knew it would break the meter.

Pim 12:14

Okay, where was it? When you were consistent with the

Roy Barker 12:18

last times I was doing it? I was about 160 pretty consistently.

Pim 12:23

Okay, so yeah, that's when you were eating more meat with your vegetables, etc.

Roy Barker 12:29

Yeah, I was just up and down. I mean, I could be more in the 110s 120s. But then, like I said, in the mornings, I would notice a 161 80 was never much over 180 that would usually be the highest. Yeah. But it would happen in that morning. You know, when I got up and then, you know, as I went through the day, of course, I was able to lower it with movement and just watching what I was eating.

Pim 12:58

Yeah, and you're not medicated.

Roy Barker 13:02

Yes, I am. But you know, I'm on Metformin. But I just, you know, actually, I actually quit taking it because I just it wasn't, it doesn't help. It wasn't helping any. There was no difference in my blood sugar with or without it. And I had talked to the to my pharmacist about his, uh, you know, I was actually joking with him one day, I'm like, sometimes I think that Metformin was actually spiking my dad gum glucose levels because it just, you know, because I would take it later in the evening. I don't think I was taking it right. I should have been matching it up with my last meal, but I wasn't but you know, it's almost like it was spiking me up overnight. Yeah. Oh. Oh, hello, Pim.

Terry 14:09

So and that was on the plant based right. What's that now? Oh,

Pim 14:15

connection there.

Terry 14:16

We we lost you when you were starting to talk about Metamucil Orman and then that was it.

Pim 14:22

Okay. So let me start that again. Sorry about that. No, you're fine. My internet is a little bit rough. Sometimes we moved out to the countryside very recently. So I'm still learning what is going on here? Yeah.

Roy Barker 14:35

Oh my God, we can give me an Amen. Oh my god.

Pim 14:40

So Metformin is actually one of those drugs that should be able to deal with the high morning blood sugars. You might have heard about something called the dawn phenomenon, which is the home morning blood sugar. So what is happening is that you have a lot of hormones that obviously they have a circadian rhythm. So They will increase at certain times of the day or decrease, excuse me, and one of them is cortisol. And you will get some a little bit of adrenaline and those kind of things in the early morning to help you raise your blood sugar so that you wake up in the morning and you have energy to do whatever you need to do. The problem in diabetics is that they don't produce or they don't respond to the insulin that should counteract this to keep it at a normal level. So that's why you get this spike in the morning. If you were kind of 160 consistently with the plant based diet, you probably wouldn't notice it, because it's still it's already up. So that's probably why you see the swings when you go from a lower carb up to, you know, up to 160. But if that is kind of your max, and it then goes down, I would say that it's actually better if you can stay at 110 for the rest of the day. So for me should be able to help with that if you take Metformin in the evening, because what it does, it's what it has three functions, basically. So one of the functions is that it prevents the liver from No, it doesn't prevent, it kind of minimizes the amount of glucose the liver produces and secretes. So that's one of them. And the second one is it makes you more insulin sensitive. And then obviously, most, a lot of people taking Metformin get some sort of gastrointestinal problems. And that's because it doesn't reabsorb the sugar. So like literally goes through. And when you eat too much of it, it draws in a lot of fluid into your intestines. And that's why you might get a little bit upset at me. So I'm surprised that it didn't help you at all with the hi morning blood sugar as it really should have. But what you can try to do is shifting the time of your last meal and eat earlier so that you fasted for longer. For some people, if that doesn't help, you can try to maybe eat a little bit of protein right before bed like just some people take a tablespoon of peanut butter. Personally, I would probably go from less carbs in the protein and just, you know, half an acre or whatever, if you can do that.

Roy Barker 17:19

Yeah, yeah, I've tried that, actually, to no avail as well. The other thing I was going to tell you that we were doing with the plant based as well was the intermittent fasting. So we would eat dinner, you know, like about six or seven. And then we weren't eating anything again until noon the next day. So it was to me, I think that fasting was good because I'm an I'm a night eater, and that is my problem spot. Is that nine or 10 o'clock at night, you know, I want to Well, I'll need anything, you know, we go up to go to Taco place, we can go to ice cream, we can get a candy bar, we could do popcorn and watch. Popcorn is my thing. So you know. And that to me, it's just a habit. That was a bad habit that I fell into. And then you know, now I kind of want that. And so what we've been trying to do say, I'm wanting that, I think because I feel like I need the energy. I feel like my body's running down. And so instead of just listening, it's like, Listen, go to bed, it's time to go to bed and get some sleep not get started

Terry 18:29

do more stuff. He would get into bed and just start off all of these ideas. And I'm just like, Ah

Pim 18:41

that's fairly common. The nightie thing so yeah, it's probably I don't know if you're doing it right now, but that's probably something that you want to cut out.

Roy Barker 18:53

Yeah. Yeah.

Pim 18:55

Yeah, go on.

Roy Barker 18:56

No, I just gonna say that's one thing I think that the fasting helped with is just being on that regiment because I'm not, you know, there are those people that can buy the skinny cow ice creams and they can eat one of those little bitty sandwiches and life can be good for them and I'm not that way if I eat one of those on end six of them because they're just that good and they're small. So you know, I'm not the kind of person that can do a little bit I'm always better just total restriction and not having it

Pim 19:31

Yeah, so yeah, I'm the same. And I've struggled with this for most of my life. You know, been working as you know, diet advice, a personal trainer, that sort of thing and giving other people advice and I could never really manage my own diet what I managed the food part really well. But sugar is my downfall. So anything would sugar would just go for it and I would need it after every dinner I had etc. so upset hear you. But there are ways of dealing with it if you are prepared to deal with,

Terry 20:08

you have to seal off dinner with dessert. That's,

Roy Barker 20:11

yeah, that's a funny thing. Because as a as a, as a younger person, I wasn't that way. It's only, you know, maybe the last five or 10 years, that it's like, okay, when we eat something, we need to follow it up with something sweet. I mean, like to the point of, I'd leave the house and go, you know, drive 15 minutes up the road to go get a candy bar or whatever. Yeah,

Pim 20:38

I've done that. I know what it's like. It's not good news. But in that case, it sounds to me like, because I can remember, like, one of my first memories was from when I was like, six years old or something, and climbing to find the cookies that my mom had hidden in the cupboard, because she knew I would eat them if I knew that they were there. So I just have a few so that she wouldn't notice. And I think I got away with it. But she's never said anything, are you. So in your case, it might just actually be that it's a really bad habit that you've gotten used to, and that you can actually easier than most of my clients and myself reverse that kind of thought process and your behavior and make it something different. If you want it,

Terry 21:27

how do you? How do you do that.

Pim 21:30

So I use a few things. So one of the things that you want to do so you have, I usually talk about the reptilian brain, which is like the lower brain or the brain that just reacts on instinct, and that is the one that wants you to eat. It's the one that is on autopilot. So when you teach it something, whatever it is, it will learn that and you won't have to think about it. And that's why all those six mini ice creams disappear without you thinking about it. Because you have learned that that is a really good thing for you, it gives you a huge reward in the reward center in your brain. It just lights up like a Christmas tree. And life is joyous and fun. Everything is great until after you finish them. And the same thing, when you brush your teeth, you don't really think about it, because that's also program. So we need to take control with the prefrontal cortex, which is the part of the brain that is doing all the planning or the logical stuff. So if you say that, I want to stop doing this behavior, and I'm going to do it this way, then you need to let your prefrontal cortex be in control because as soon as it is engaged, the other part is going to take over. And it's just going to be like, Oh, we've got six ice creams, here, I'm gonna eat them all. And you just go and do it. No problem. Same thing, when you go shopping, you're so used to going to the shopping aisle where you find that special chocolate or that freezer with ice cream or whatever it might be. So you need to make a conscious decision to start with. But then when you get the craving. So I don't know if you heard about the habit loop. So it's literally you get something triggering you whatever that is. So it might be going to the shopping mall or the supermarket or it might be having dinner. So I can relate to this one. Yeah, I know you can as well. So having dinner, for example, would have been my trigger. As soon as I had dinner, that would create a thought in my head, like, Oh, where's my dessert? Now I need something sweet or something like that. Along those lines. There's nothing dramatic or strange about it. And then because I have that thought, I think, no, I need to go and get something sweet, because that's what I was thinking. So we need to kind of interrupt this habit loop somewhere. And the trigger is always going to be there. Because you can't stop eating dinner, you're going to have to eat. So what you need to do is when you notice that you have this thought I need something, that's where you need to interrupt in this case. So what I choose to do is observing what's happening. So the best thing, I don't have it here, but I usually show when I have a diary where I just write down this is what I was thinking, this is how it feels in my body. So for me, it's usually I start salivating. Some people get like attention in the whole body almost shaking was, like fascinating to me. And they might get like tension in the solar plexus or something like that. And then you kind of observing it from the outside rather than being emotionally involved in the whole process, which means that it's really easy for you to just, when you write it down, it's like it's just words, and it's almost like it's not about you anymore. But when you do that you can kind of look at the craving and like what is that it's kind of a non event. Yeah, it's just there. It's It's nothing and I don't need to do anything. So I choose to do nothing because that's very easy to easy to do. It's the most practical thing to do. Some people might choose to respond to it differently, they might get and drink a glass of water, walk around the block, do some push ups, whatever it is, as a response to these thoughts and these physical signs that they get. And that way, interrupt it and start doing something else.

Roy Barker 25:16

You just replace it with something else.

Pim 25:18

Exactly. So in my case, I want to replace it with doing nothing because I don't want to respond to my cravings. And the cravings will still be there, but I will. It's like, they just kind of fly by like this. And I see them but I don't react to them anymore. So I know that they're there. Yeah, but I'm not reacting to them anymore.

Roy Barker 25:36

So you know, it's funny you say that about the reptilian the reptilian brain because it's, it's, it's hard for people to understand unless they have this feeling. But sometimes it's almost like, you know, you get the snack, you eat it. And then after a while, you're like, Oh, I just had a snack. And why did I go do that? And, you know, when we when we first started fasting, it was kind of a funny thing. We were sitting here doing some stuff one night, I actually got up went to the kitchen, and I opened up this bag, and it was a good snack. Actually, it was a we call those dried chickpeas. Yeah, as some dried chickpeas. But you know, I had my hand open them had my hand in the bag, and pulled out a handful before it snapped, like, Hey, I'm fasting. I'm not supposed to be eating. I was able to put them back. But, you know, it was just, I think it's just it. But it demonstrates what an unconscious act that truly was. There was no thought in it. It was just like I was programmed. And didn't give it any thought to walk over there and find something to eat.

Pim 26:47

Yeah, and then you should actually take a step back from there. What triggered you to do that?

Roy Barker 26:52

Yeah, it was just boredom. Yeah, yeah. Because we kind of talked about it after that, you know, we were sitting around, I was doing something I just needed a break, I needed a reason to get up and walk away. And, you know, that's what I've used that for, you know, I think for all these years, it's a break. Or if something's getting difficult, sometimes you need to step away and think about it for a moment. So go get snack, and

Pim 27:18

and that's the thing, I never thought that I was an emotional eater. So for me, I looked at people emotional eating, that was people that they were eating when they were upset, or, you know, sad or being bullied or whatever. But that's not me. But I'm eating when I want to procrastinate. And when I'm bored, yeah, those are my two emotional triggers. And when I kind of realized that those are emotions of od, I'm actually an emotional eater, and I didn't know

Terry 27:49

you're paying with the rest of it.

Roy Barker 27:52

It's hard, because I feel like I'm all of those. Because if it's happy, sad, won't be a celebration, hey, let's run up to the Mexican food restaurant and get something to eat or

Terry 28:03

while you're fascinating,

Roy Barker 28:05

yeah. Or if you had a bad day, if I go, let's go get some. So yeah, but it's the other thing. It's, it hasn't helped me a whole lot. But a couple things I've realized about myself though, is that going out to eat is a celebration. And you know, the last time we went out we had Mexican food we we set out on the patio and we ate we left and we felt bad. And I was just telling Terry that I only wanted to go up there for the celebration to sit out on the patio to get some fresh air for us to talk to be away from the house. And you know, I said we what we need to do is learn to be able to go and do that and just make healthier choices. While we're there. I mean, they those people have, you know, grilled chicken, they have taco salad, I mean, there's all sorts of healthy choices. You don't have to eat all the chips and tortillas that they bring you but you know again, it's like when you get there it's like when you get there it's the habit the habit takes over. And so you know I told her next time we do that we're really gonna have to think hard on the front end before we get there like this is what we're ordering. We're telling them no chips, we're ordering some chicken or you know, salad lettuce, whatever he to me, but just be very, I guess, planned. And not only planned, but just kind of diligent of sticking to it.

Pim 29:38

Yeah, and that's something that before I'd started working with diabetics, I was working with food addicts and emotional eaters, so we using a lot is planning so if I have massive cravings today for something, I never allow myself to get into those cravings. But what I can do is plan to have it tomorrow when tomorrow comes A First of all, I've trained my brain to let my own prefrontal cortex be in control, which is a really good thing, because a lot of the time, we don't really want to do that because it's uncomfortable. And then when tomorrow comes, I might not really want that thing anymore. Yeah, in the beginning, I would eat it just because I had said that I could eat it, whether I wanted it or not. But at some point, you can realize, we do a lot of, you know, being present when you're eating actually tasting it, how far, how much can you eat of that food before it actually doesn't taste good anymore. Because this thought, for me is about three, four bites. It tastes really good. And then it just tastes like sugary and it doesn't have that appeal anymore. And at that point, you really should stop there. So when you do that, you can kind of get away from it. But as a diabetic, you might also have to include what sort of food choices you should we make? Because you can't just say yes, tomorrow, I'm gonna have three tubs of Ben and Jerry's ice cream, because that's terrible for your blood sugar. Yeah, so you in your case, you can still obviously do that.

Roy Barker 31:08

Well, so that's easy. That's easy for me. I can say no, Ben and Jerry's because we have Blue Bell. So.

Pim 31:17

So I don't know blue about

Roy Barker 31:21

it's, it's like, very creamy. It's if you had that you wouldn't, he would shun Ben and Jerry's from now on. So

Pim 31:30

I don't even want to try it.

Roy Barker 31:33

But well, so it brings up an interesting point, because I feel, and I let Terry, you know, sometimes we think of ourselves different than what we really are. But I feel like I'm pretty resolved. In most areas, make a decision stick with it. I don't feel that wishy washy about stuff. But it's like with food. I cannot get that. Just that resolve, because it's funny, you know, you say you will put it off? Well, I will probably have an internal argument, one, put it off till tomorrow, when we could just run up there and get it today. And I will sit there and talk myself in you know, may try to put up a quick defense, but then not just like run over it and be like, whatever, we're gonna go do it. It just it it's kind of you know, it's a little bit aggravating. And it's a little bit embarrassing, because it's like, why can't I have just a tiny, tiny bit of self control when it comes to food like that.

Pim 32:37

So that's your lower brain is always going to put up a fight. I mean, even when you're done this for a very long time, occasionally, it will just you will have that nagging here now, maybe you should just do that, and maybe a little bit,

Terry 32:51

the angel and the devil.

Pim 32:52

Yes, absolutely. So that's always going to happen because you have this pathway in your brain. And it's always going to be there, we can't erase it, the only thing we can do is create a new pathway in the brain where you react differently. And the more times you're doing it, the stronger that pathway is going to be. So the more likely you're going to do that on autopilot. But as soon as you want to, if you've really, you know, if you're really upset, or whatever it is strong emotions that you want to escape from, you are going to want to just revert back to the strong pathway that has been threaded for many, many years. And that's where you need to not focus so much on I can't have this because when you tell yourself, I can't have this, you just I want it. So instead, like try to focus on, I want to be in control. And if what you doing the only thing you're committing to, is to always plan 24 hours ahead. That is your commitment. Your commitment is not not eating the food and commitments only to do that. And if you can get that program into your brain that I am going to be in control, I can have whatever I want. But I'm committed to always planning 24 hours ahead, and you can follow that you're going to be pretty safe. Okay.

Terry 34:20

That may be exactly what we need to do. Because sometimes it's just like off the cuff, you know,

Pim 34:25

yeah. And I'm going to tell you, I have found so many times, most of my clients have failed so many times and I had a client recently, just because you said it and we plan she was going to go on holiday. She's like, yeah, I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna have one meal with the suit and blah, blah, blah. And then the day after we spoke Is that why should I wait? And she just went off rails. I didn't hear from her for two weeks. She just been eating badly for two weeks. And there's something this happened to a lot of People and it's not that you're weak or anything, it's just that the lower brain is taking over. And you don't know how to handle that. And we need to make those mistakes, I think along the road, you need to fall off the wagon a certain amount of times before you get there. Because that pathway is not strong enough yet, the only thing you need to focus on is that for every single time you make the right choice, and you can allow the craving to be there and not just push it down, that would be stronger. And you will be one step closer to not reacting the wrong way, if you like, unlike saying the wrong way, but the way that you

Roy Barker 35:36

will prefer no more healthy in a more healthy manner. Yeah,

Pim 35:39

exactly. So we need to celebrate the wins every time you can allow the craving, you can see it fly by, like, that's a win, that's one step closer, are you gonna have to do that many, many times. And along that way, of course, you do not fail every now and then.

Roy Barker 35:58

So what about the importance of both water and exercise in this because I don't notice it as much lately, but used to I would notice, if I got out took a little walk after dinner or after I ate, you know, I could tend to drive my, my sugar down, it would be better. Now sometimes. After reading this the other day, sometimes Now I understand why there may actually be a little bit of a spike, you know, after that if I push too hard. And if it depends, like if it's just a walk, it'll usually go down. But you know, maybe going to the gym, I might actually drive it up just a little bit, but talk about the importance of both water and exercise.

Pim 36:40

Okay, let's start with the exercise. So what you have observed is absolutely true. So when you're walking, you're not using a lot of energy. So your body's not going to see that as some sort of stress. So you're just going to use up the sugar that is in your blood, which is brilliant. If you have a problem controlling your blood sugar after eating, you can just go for a walk and it will go down quicker. The more intense exercise is a stress on the body and your body perceives that as we need energy, we need a lot of it now. So we labor will start releasing a lot of sugar to make up for what you're going to use. So this is completely normal. It happens in everyone, obviously, again, as a type two diabetic is going to be hard if you're not exercising as hard and what as long, it's going to be hard to kind of go down to baseline quickly. Maybe for some people it does, but not for everyone. So what you can do is if you go for a hard workout is that you've just added with like 20 minutes walking or something so that you don't stop pure exercise just then go lay on the sofa. Okay. Yeah, you want a bit of a cooldown period to just clear the blood, and that's going to go there. So this is not dangerous spiking, I wouldn't say because what you do is your muscles are also using a lot of sugar, which is great because then they have the capacity to suck it up from your blood and help you stabilize your blood sugar long term. So both intense and low intensity exercise both are important and can be used so I wouldn't say like Don't be scared of going for intense exercise. Just make sure that if it stays up for more than a couple of hours, you probably have a problem. But if it goes down again, you're probably fine. Okay, so I didn't know how long it stays up for you when you do.

Roy Barker 38:37

Yeah, no, no, I'm not that crazy. You know, I'm not when I get on the way it's it's not like you know,

Terry 38:44

he is crazy.

Roy Barker 38:47

You know, it's just not like that intense but I can just tell the difference between the walking and you know, doing some weightlifting but what I think now that you mentioned that maybe what I should do is split my walking easily I walk to warm up and then do the weight lift and then go home. So maybe now just split it walk a little bit before do the weights and then walk a little bit after and that might help.

Pim 39:10

Yeah, I think that sounds like a good plan. With regards to the water, I'm not so I mean, being dehydrated is obviously not a good thing. If you are struggling with a lot of high blood sugar, you're probably going to be more thirsty because you want to dilute all your fluids so that the concentration of sugar isn't as high and obviously then you're gonna weed out and etc. But I when I was studying for my degree in nutrition, we had a kidney specialist and he was them. He was telling us that we are actually over drinking and we should start listening more to our bodies when we are thirsty. Interesting. Ah. So I think For some people, that signal doesn't necessarily work correctly. And that might be a problem. But forcing water down when you're not thirsty, and if you, if that just leads to you having to go weird out straight away, you're probably over drinking. So listen to your body, and also see how it reacts when you're drinking, so that you kind of get a balanced because when you go to, you know, when you just flush it out, you're going to get rid of a lot of electrolytes and other things that might eventually give you a headache or whatever. So, yeah, okay. Yeah. I think,

Roy Barker 40:40

yeah, that's funny, because, you know, I guess here the mandate is, like, my eight glasses a day. So it'd be like, I think four bottles of water, you know, is about what they say the recommended intake is, but I have seen, and we just saw something the other day that they were talking about percent of body weight. And of course, you know, for somebody like myself, that's heavy, or the amount of water that, you know, they were suggesting was just

Terry 41:15

was crazy. No way it would be drinking up to sundown. I

Roy Barker 41:19

mean, it would be like, I don't know, I sit down, I figured it out. But it's like 10 or 12 bottles of water one day, and I was like, wow. Yeah, I mean, that's you could almost drown yourself drinking that much.

Pim 41:29

Yeah, I mean, thinking that much, it's actually not great for you. And as I said, you could get salted deficient, which could lead to cramps and other problems in your body that you don't necessarily want to deal with. And that's, I'm the opposite to you. And that's why I actually remember that this kidney doctor was saying this. Because if I drink, let's say, how many ounces would that be? Three to four per day is kind of my normal, unless it's really hot outside. And that's it. And I have been like that my whole life. And I told you about my diabetic friend we used to spend, because she moved after a few years, and she moved out to the countryside. So I used to be there for a few weeks every summer. And her parents phone, my parents to ask if I never drank anything, because they were really worried about me. And that was, you know, 35 years ago, or whatever. And I still don't have any problems with my kidneys. So I'm doing fine. And I've never been a big drinker. But I'm trying to listen to my body. But if you're someone who's always like drinking soda, and everything has to be flavored, you probably want to try and get off of that and learn to drink water.

Roy Barker 42:44

Yeah, and that's me, I just, I don't like the water. It's not my first choice. because like you said, I'd rather have you know, coffee in the morning, and then maybe a soda. And I've even tried the, you know, the flavor packets, and that works for a little bit. But then it's like, again, back to the soda. It's almost like a treat, especially if I'm not eating sugar. That's like the one little treat I get, and then No, he drink one in the afternoon today. And then next, you know, by the end of next week, it's like now I'm drinking three in the afternoon. But the one good thing is we she does buy those, like a half a bottle of Coke. So it's not like the big tall 16 or 20 ounce or which it's good for somebody like me because there was a time. This has been years ago, maybe 1010 years ago or so. I can't even tell you how many because I'd have two or three of those big 44 ounce drinks from the local drive in I might have two or three of those during the day and then have four or five cokes you know out of the refrigerator at home it's It was crazy Oh my gosh. But I just saw you know and I got in the habit of always having to have a drink in my hand either at home if I'm in the car especially if I'm in the car I've got to have something to you know drink and I just need to make that switch to need to make it and stay on water it's just hard I can do good for a while and then you know I kind of start falling off of it because I just don't like it that much.

Pim 44:20

So what about if you only have water in your car? That's gonna be good but

Roy Barker 44:25

no that's what I've that's what I've done before is just said look, no, you know, no more soda pops or anything like that. You just have to have waters the only choice and it's, it works. It's just disappointing.

Pim 44:41

Yeah, and that's where you can work on the cravings and just allowing them to be there like this. No big deal. Actually, why do I need that? But if you feel like I you just kind of slowly want to wean off. You could just maybe decide that if I'm going to drink a can of soda I need to before I'm allowed to do that I need to drink the equivalent amount of water. Yeah. So you drink the water first and then you get your soda?

Roy Barker 45:05

Yeah, yeah, I like that. Definitely need to do that and do that with coffee in the morning, too. You know, I, I'm, I'm just all over the place, I'll get in a good run, and you know, like, get up and drink a bottle of water. First thing in the morning, before we have the coffee. And then, you know, I think we'd actually tried that for a while was to, you know, have a cup of coffee and then have a bottle of water have half a bottle in between. So just but again, this is the bigger, you know, issue with me is the consistency because I can do that for a day or two, maybe even a week or two. It's the week, you know, it's the week six 810 12. You know, those those, that's what I just seem to struggle with so much. I mean, when I it's not like I can just fall off the wagon. I mean, I fall off and get run over by the thing.

Pim 46:01

I know a few people like that. So then you have to ask yourself, what is happening when you're falling off? Like, why does that happen?

Roy Barker 46:12

Yeah, you know,

Terry 46:13

dress,

Roy Barker 46:14

yeah, probably that build up of just stuff. And, you know, that's, to be honest, I guess we're gonna be honest here. We'll put it all out there, even though we're kind of over on time, but it's, you know, I have been searching for, you know, what is going on? Because I can tell you, I could write a book on how to do this stuff. I know how to do it. I don't know how to do it, right. But I just don't. Or we do it good for a week, you know, I think we can easily make what, two, three weeks, we'll do very well. And then stop. I mean, it's and it's not always bad stuff. I mean, like, you know, at the end of the year, we were doing good. Really good. And then Terry was gone for about two or three weeks, it just kind of upset the rhythm of things. So it was easier for me to, you know, swing by the hamburger place and get a hamburger because I don't cook. So anyway, it just kind of upset the rhythm, you know, then I fall off and it's not her fault. Please don't take it that I'm

Terry 47:19

never leaving.

Roy Barker 47:22

I'm not blaming her. I'm just saying it's a it's an upset and the pattern, the rhythm. And then. And then I don't know, I think other thing, other times it's been that things just seem to build up. It's almost like, maybe the not having the stuff is what builds up that pressure to where you just have to go like get something to eat, you know?

Terry 47:44

Yeah. And I'll try to, you know, not bring, not bring home, anything snacky you know, just Whole Foods, especially with us trying to do this plant based diet. Just try not to try not to and of course, one of the first things that I'm asked when I come home, got anything snacky

Roy Barker 48:07

you know, I go up or unload the groceries or I can look through the

Terry 48:12

truth comes out. And Daddy, we're being chivalrous.

Roy Barker 48:19

I want to see want to see what, what goodies. Yes. It's

Pim 48:27

sorry. No, no, no. But that's probably because you're using willpower to not do it. So what I was saying that when we suppressing your cravings with willpower, they're going to come back with a vengeance. And that happens to everyone. So if you imagine like trying to, if you had like a beach ball or something, you're trying to push it on the water, if you let go of that, it's just going to explode and come back up. And that is exactly what is happening. When you're like, No, I'm not gonna have I'm not gonna have that I'm not allowed to have that. I'm not not not not. But instead actually do the thing that I told you. What, what, what's the trigger? What was I thinking? And how does that feel in my body if you write that down. So I like having two commitments that one of them is to plan 24 hours ahead. And the other one is to always write down everything that with regards to your cravings. And me included and pretty much all my clients have a resistance to writing it down. We do it three times. And then we think I can do that in my head and then never works. Now, you really need to actually have pen and paper write it down so that you can look at it for some reason it works. But if you try to do it in your head, it's like whatever. And it doesn't really work.

Roy Barker 49:42

Well now be good time for me to start that because, you know, journaling is the same way, you know, over the years I have fits and starts with doing it and this time, you know, I think it's been three months pretty much Yeah, you've been really good. I've been consistent at least getting a page down. So now I'm not be the time to to try that again.

Terry 50:02

And while you're I mean, we've been incorporated meditation and to some everything that we've been doing over I don't know how long a month month, five weeks

Pim 50:13

looks good. But the thing is that it doesn't need to take you long it takes a minute. You just write down. This is what happens. I ate dinner. I was thinking I need to have something. I felt salivation in my jaw. Five seconds later, the craving was gone. Let's say it doesn't have to be complicated. It's super simple. You just need to get it.

Roy Barker 50:41

Right it mine's gonna be had dinner. And why can't I talk? tyrian to go into the ice cream. Cheese.

Terry 50:50

Do you think we need to go down and get some ice cream or chocolate bar? Do you need a chocolate bar? I'll go get you one.

Roy Barker 50:59

Good, good. It was, I guess was it Friday night? Thursday or Friday night. I was just like, dead. And I was like, let's get an ice cream. And she's like, let's just think about that for a little bit. And she never said no. But she finally pushed me off until it's like once bedtime now it's like

Pim 51:19

well done. Yeah.

Terry 51:21

I'm not always like that. Because I can cave with. With the best mom, you know?

Pim 51:27

I'm sure most people do. Yeah. Yeah.

Roy Barker 51:31

Well, we're gonna try that we're gonna, we're gonna plan. And I like that. Nothing. We're gonna play in 24 hours. So it's not that we can't have something. It's just if we really want it. It'll be on tomorrow's menu. Yeah, and write down those feelings that are around when those cravings really pop up.

Pim 51:50

Yeah. Awesome.

Roy Barker 51:53

That's a great idea. All right, I can commit to that. I can commit. Good.

Terry 51:57

Thank you.

Pim 52:00

I love helping people with this. It's so simple. And still we have so much resistance actually doing it. So it's not easy to achieve. But it's really simple to do. Yeah.

Roy Barker 52:10

What do you have any other any other tips you want to leave on? No, we're way long. But do you have any other tips you want to leave us with? Before we get out of here

Pim 52:18

might just if you are struggling with you know, emotional eating or any thing of that kind, the first step is always to be aware of what's going on. So start kind of being honest with yourself about what's going on in your head, and try to find those thoughts. Because sometimes we don't even we're not even aware that we have them. And they never fancy. It's just like, I want chocolate. So what's that? Yeah, we don't know why we happen. We just happen. It's our brain is just trying to get us into it. So start there. And then take the next step from there.

Roy Barker 52:53

Okay, good advice. So do you have a Is there a tool or a habit that you use in your daily life, it could be professional or personal, it's just something that you do that adds a lot of value to your day.

Pim 53:09

My best tool is what I just taught you actually, that adds a lot of value. Because when you can, when you're not emotionally engaging in those cravings, you, you have a different focus, and you get so much more energy and you get so much more done, because you can focus on what you're doing, rather than thinking about food. 24 seven. So that's actually my best tip. I've tried, you know, with morning journaling, breathing exercises, all those kind of things that might help. But in the end of the day, if I have food cravings and thinking about food all day long, I'm so inefficient.

Roy Barker 53:47

Yeah, you know, I think the breathing you bring up too, because we just talked to somebody the other day, this was more about stress management. But that's another thing I think it might be a good thing to try is when you really have those cravings, just to step back and take a you know, two or three deep breaths before you write it down. Because that's something I'm finding with them. The more I get into meditation, it's that breathing in the control of that it just for me, personally, it's very grounding, and kind of read centers made to get, I guess, to get my mind right and start thinking about, you know, the way I need to be thinking and not be all emotional or crazy about stuff. So

Pim 54:29

yeah, it allows you to take a step back and use your rational part of the brain to actually engage. So that's awesome. Our reptilian brain must be huge. Not really. Like programs everything and then

Roy Barker 54:46

place it on repeat. It must outrank my other party. I don't know. I'll have to get it under control. All right, you can tell everybody you know Who do you like to work? With How can you help them? And then of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you?

Pim 55:05

Okay, so typically, I'm actually working with people who wants to be on a low carb diet, but this struggle to stay on track because of cravings. And usually they've been doing this for years before they come to me, because we are optimists. And we think that we can do it when we're going to crack it the next time, the next, etc. But that doesn't happen. So I work with both type two diabetics now, and people who are not type two, so I'm actually working with both. But if you're a type two diabetic, we always start with the diet and start with that. And then we move on to, you know, working on the mindset or the the mind work to rewire your brain so that you don't respond to the cravings that way. And that's, that's what I see that's, that's where everyone fails, no matter what diet you're on, you will fail if you are an emotional eater, if you're a food addict, and if you respond to these cravings, and that's 90% of the population. So if you have ever thought failed a diet you are going to have to work on, if you want to change your diet. If you happen to eat the way you do, then God bless you. And I hope that you're doing well with what you're eating. And so yeah, um, any sort of food addiction, I don't work with people who have like binge eating disorders, and that's kind of psychological thing on more, I'm a coach. So I'm working with people who want to change. And even you might think that you can't do it. Like me, I never thought I can do it. But I'm actually in control. Now. I'm not 100% sugar free myself, yet. I'm still working on my mindset a bit to get there. But I have come such a long way. And it's so rewarding to be with help others and some of my clients, I think they're much better than me. But there you go. So yeah. If you want to kind of discuss with me whether you want my help, or just want to ask something, and whether I can help you with like a specific condition, or whatever it is, is probably best if you want to book in for a free call with me. And you can do that at smart diabetics academy.com/call. And if you just have a small question for me, you can send me an email at [email protected], or I also have a Facebook group for diabetics. I'm gonna admit I'm not super active. I'm there. I'm there every week, I do answer every question. But I might not check in every day and the group is still kind of small. But if you want to come in there, you want to ask questions, I will answer them. So you can find me there as well. And that smart diabetics academy.com/Facebook, super simple.

Terry 57:51

It's hard to keep up with all that. Social media media.

Pim 57:55

Yeah, I prefer to speak to people because if I have five minutes with someone, I can help you more than I can help someone one, you know, during an hour trying to make it in text on Facebook or something. It's, it's, it's a very, very weird way of communicating. When you're working, especially when you're working with emotions, you need to kind of speak to someone and see their reaction and kind of throw that ball back and forth a bit. So

Roy Barker 58:22

it's not that I like that approach to I'm like you I'd rather talk and Well, most issues, pick up the phone, get it done, like, back and forth. Yeah, yeah.

Pim 58:32

It's so much more efficient. So even if you don't, I mean, I really do want to help like everyone. So even if you think I may maybe not help pay for a coach or whatever, if you still think, you know, I might be able to help you in 10 minutes book, a call is fine. Okay, it doesn't matter. You don't, you're not signing up for anything. It's just, if I can talk to you for 10 minutes and make a difference. I'm happy. And I have had clients like that. Even a guy he came back after six months. And he said, You know how we talked before. And I couldn't get a handle on this. After we spoke, I haven't touched sugar or bread at all. And I don't know what happened during those 14 minutes that we spoke, something clicked and he just he could just do it on its own. And in that case, you wouldn't even have needed me. And I know that he couldn't hire me at a time because he was about to lose his job. But then he came back and he just said, Hey, do you have paper? I'm gonna give you $50 Okay, thank you. Sometimes you just eat, you know, all you need is half an hour. And that can actually change your life or you don't need a coach ongoingly so

Roy Barker 59:41

that's another great example of paying it forward and just put it out there and it comes back to you. So yeah, I appreciate that.

Pim 59:48

Very much. Awesome. I mean, I appreciate his $150 coming into my account, sure, but even more so just that he got back to me and he let me know that actually This conversation that we had, it changed my life. And that's like, I get goosebumps all over my arms when I hear like, Oh my god, I did it. Yeah, without doing much. He just needed that little switch in his brain. And that's so awesome.

Terry 1:00:14

Well, that was a lot. Yeah, that was a lot.

Roy Barker 1:00:16

Yeah. All right. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day. And we'll be sure to include all the websites and everything in the show notes. But yeah, y'all reach out to him. If you need some help, we're going to take her advice. She's a good role model for us. So we're gonna try the journaling and the scheduling, and see what kind of a difference we do it.

Terry 1:00:39

We will report back. Yep.

Pim 1:00:41

Thank you so much. I'm pleased to report back and reach out if you need any more support or help in that regard. And I'll be happy to talk if we're so appreciative. We really appreciate it.

Roy Barker 1:00:52

Yeah. Thanks. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Of course, I am Roy. You can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major podcast platforms as well as all the major social media platforms. video of this interview will go up on our YouTube channel when we release it as well. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of those around you

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Is Intermittent Fasting A Good Idea For Diabetics? There Are Two Sides To The Story with Terry and Roy

There are two sides to every story. Of course Feeding Fatty suggests you do your own research and always seek out medical professionals before starting new routines or programs. Intermittent fasting has worked for some and may not be the best for others. Intermittent fasting may help control inflammation & may even lower the risk of heart disease type two diabetes & some cancers.

About Terry and Roy

After years of weight, health and fitness challenges, Roy Barker and Terry Mallozzi made a commitment to changing their eating habits. And implementing realistic fitness goals for them. They chronicle their journey for health on the Feeding Fatty Podcast speaking to experts about related aspects of health challenges (type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism), losing weight (need to) and staying positive (easier said than done). Little did they know it's not just counting calories and cutting out sweets

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Is Intermittent Fasting A Good Idea For Diabetics There Are Two Sides To The Story with Terry and Roy

00:00:15 Roy Hello and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. This is Roy, of course we are the podcast that Chronicles our journey through eating, trying to eat, right, eat more healthful, more thoughtful eating, trying to get out, move every day and also mindset. It's funny, I think as we go through this in the beginning, it was more about what were eating and I think we have shifted a lot of this, more to mindset just with the realization that to, in order to make sustainable change, we have to get our minds right. And to be ready. And,

00:00:50 Terry All signs were pointing to the mindset, every time we thought, okay, well, we're going to try this other, we'll do it for a day or two or a week or whatever. Then, got to figure out what's what is sustainable for us.

00:01:05 Roy So, today we wanted to talk about diabetes. We release our, interview episodes with professionals and others stories in the industry. On Tuesdays on Thursdays, we've kind of been focusing a lot on diabetes because I struggle with that and, trying to keep my sugars in control and it's very difficult, especially the older you get and the more sedentary you are. So, anyway, we found a good article. I'll let you start into it if you want there. Yeah. This.

00:01:35 Terry From KSAT, it's the, at an ABC affiliate in San Antonio and they, it was an article just said is intermittent fasting, right for you. We've been seeing a lot that intermittent fasting could be good for people with diabetes. It might be a positive thing for them to help them reverse it because that it is reversible, but you have to eat your way to it, Right. I don't.

00:02:08 Roy Know. It's asked your way to it. Yeah. I think this article brings up some questions and again, before we go too far, we are not doctors. We don't pretend to be, we don't IX dispense advice. We always ask, that if you're going to start something new or different, go to your doctor, go to a nutritionist or a registered nutritionist, find somebody that's really trained for this because we're not, we have, we've been trying this intermittent fasting, not, I don't know, for the last few months it seemed more or less, and we've had varied results. I, at the very beginning, it was, my sugars were a lot more stable. Here lately, they've been way high and much more out of control. I don't know if it's some other stuff, I know there was one, a specific piece of food that I was eating that I thought was, no to low carbs and was actually pretty high in them.

00:03:11 Roy That was just a mistake that I had made. But, reading through this, because we've heard evidence from a lot of people that the fasting is good because it lets our body have time to recover,

00:03:24 Terry Digest and do what it needs to mechanically, ? And it counts, I mean the hours count while you're sleeping. So it's not as high. It's not as bad as it sounds, but if, we go from like 7:00 PM at night until noon the next day, right there,

00:03:43 Roy There's some people that just do from seven at night to seven in the morning. That's where a doctor I think could help you kind of dial in what's right for you. But, the thing is like your body is always working to digest. The other part of that's good, I think is like, I'm a night eater. After seven o'clock, it's good for me to be done instead of, like nine, 10 o'clock instead of looking for a snack or wanting to go, get an ice cream cone or something like that, you're just done and let your body kind of, have it, give it a break where it's not always digesting your food. Anyway, as we read through this story, it says that, and this is a quote, this is from a M K sat.com, which is a San Antonio, when you say ABC news outlet. Right. It's, I think they're quoting Tisha Calvo with consumer reports.

00:04:43 Roy It just says that when done in a healthful way, intermittent fasting can help control inflammation and may even lower the risk of heart disease type two diabetes and some cancers. Okay. Which that's great. This is what we have heard, over and over that it can be helpful. The inflammation has gotten to, it's kind of the root of all evil. It seems like in our bodies, when we talk about cancer and other heart disease and things like that. In the very next paragraph, it says intermittent fasting isn't for everyone. It could be too extreme for older adults, people with diabetes and those who take medications at certain times. Anyway, it just kinda left us, wondering, if the, in the top part about inflammation, if they're talking about like before you actually become a diabetic, if you do some fasting, maybe you can help that. Or, maybe it's just certain people with diabetes.

00:05:45 Roy I don't know. Anyway, it's a little contradicting, so we're going to have to do a little more research on this to see what's up. But, it does say that, to be sure and eat plenty of, protein and fiber during the day, if you are going to fast eat it lists fruit, oatmeal, cottage, cheese, things like that. That'll help keep you satisfied, from through that period, because it, depending on what you're doing, if you can get on a normal schedule, what I would call normal for me, where, we could be done and go to bed at nine or nine 30, it doesn't affect me as bad. When I'm up late and having to work and do stuff, then that's when I really, have those cravings or that desire is, like maybe 10 o'clock. It's kind of interesting for me, because then it gets back to sleep.

00:06:44 Roy I think sleep is catalyst for me to really start a lot of bad things happening. And this is definitely one of them.

00:06:52 Terry Try. And, you have some there, I know you need many more hours in the day to complete everything. Everybody could use a few more hours, but, your body just, you're so tired and your eyes are burning and you're trying to do everything you can just to make sure that you stay up. It's not as simple as just saying, yeah, I need to be done at seven, but it, because when eight o'clock comes around nine o'clock, 10 o'clock and 12, and you're still up. I mean, maybe that's just telling you got to go, you have to go sleep because sleep is so important too.

00:07:30 Roy Yeah. She mentions here too, that, he had an early dinner between 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM. Late night, eating has been linked to greater risk of obesity, type two diabetes and heart disease. Again, and they suggest, cutting your dinners down and trying to do about 600 calories and eat more veggies, dinner for dinner because, when you go out to eat or even sometimes when we cook at home, you'd be surprised when you really add up your calories. I mean, you can do 800 to a thousand calories. Very, very easy. That's not even counting dessert.

00:08:08 Terry No. When you add like toppings and dressings and sauces and all that stuff and the salt, when you add all that stuff, it changes the dynamics of your food. Right. So helps with inflammation. Right. Right. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what I was going to say. Sorry.

00:08:32 Roy Oh, that's the other thing too. We pulled another article. This is from, the express, which I think this is a UK publication, but it's just, it was, actually talking about the, five fruits that can raise your blood sugar. And, it was an interesting list. Watermelon, one of my favorite, the first one, but, it's kind of, to me, it was obvious because it has such a sweet taste to it. Watermelons, pumpkin pineapple, which I was surprised, fruit juice, and then dried fruits again, dried fruits, use, I've been using them in my snacks, eat a little dried fruit, nuts thinking I was doing a good thing, but here again, I may have to recheck that if it's got they refer back to these, have a high G which is the,

00:09:27 Terry Index. Yeah. This is from what is it cure? I lost it. Curl, curl life. Yeah. Anyway, and the GI is a rating system for foods containing carbs. Did you already say that? No.

00:09:44 Roy No, no, that's fine. Yeah. And it just, it's.

00:09:47 Terry Just how quickly each one affects your blood sugar level, all of that. Making sure that you're not metabolized metabolizing too many, carb grams, they list, they also listed, yeah. The worst. I'm sorry. The best fruits. Okay.

00:10:10 Roy I didn't see that. What, what are those?

00:10:13 Terry Okay. Oh, here they are. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Fruits for diabetics to consume that top 10 fruits, blackberries, oranges, strawberries, avocados. Now because of fruit, I thought it was a vegetable. Well, why I don't see tomato is on here. Isn't tomatoes of fruit also, sour, cherries. Okay. Not sweet ones. All right. Plums, grapefruit, pears, apples, nectarines peaches, bananas, and blueberries. CNN.

00:10:49 Roy Interesting about the bananas being on there because I thought that they were one of the higher carbs and maybe there's enough fiber in it that it's got that slower release, but that's good news for me. Cause I like bananas. We typically eat a lot of the blueberries and a lot of the, blackberries, which I like those in small doses. I think people, sometime there are people that talk about, eating fruit because it's natural, won't hurt you, but fruit as a lot of, natural sugars in them. For us diabetics, we still have to pay attention to that. Just be careful when, and I, I try to eat mine earlier in the day just to give me chance to work it off versus, eating them late at night and then going to bed. It'll usually cause me a bump in the morning when I wake up.

00:11:41 Terry Right. Well, and this article also said, in addition to eating the lower GI foods, that exercise can help keep your blood sugar levels under control and we've. Yep. And.

00:11:54 Roy It does, it helps me, to try to get out after a meal and walk, if I can get on a good walk and schedule, I think that's been a bad thing about this pandemic is I have become very sedentary, more than usual, I have to set for my job and we set for, doing through our podcast a lot, but it just, it's not been a good thing. It's been great in some respects, but it's not been for that part. I think it's my, movement has not been as good as it should.

00:12:26 Terry Be, but you are taking proactive steps and you did get a new Fitbit, like yeah. Did you know? And I really.

00:12:33 Roy Love this. I, I came off my, I watch iPhone, whatever it is, apple watch kinda crashed on me and I didn't use all the functions, the talking or texting and music controls, I just didn't use all that stuff. It went, I actually went back to Fitbit than I'd had. I had a Fitbit prior to that and when it gave up, that's when I went to the apple watch, but I'm happy to be back with the Fitbit because it's got a prompter in apple may have it, but this one here is just a better prompt to get up and walk 250 steps every hour during your waking hours. Those add up, excuse me, after, a day. Yeah. When we, but when we go walk at night, instead of starting with zero, because people don't, I think if you don't work from home and don't stay at home a lot, it may be hard to fathom this, but if I don't make an effort, I mean, I can do three to 500 steps a day.

00:13:41 Roy That's all, coming from the bedroom to the office, to the kitchen, to the office and back to the bedroom, it's not that many. So, but this watch what it does. It kind of prompts me through the day. In the evening, when we go walk and I've got 2,500 or more steps already in, so I think it's a great thing. That the other thing it helps me through the day to get up and get moving.

00:14:06 Terry Yeah. Well, and the dogs really like it cause you psych them out thinking that they're going somewhere, but they have to wait because we can't take them out yet. But you do. I mean, you do a good job. You just have to remember to put that on, put that Fitbit on and do it.

00:14:26 Roy Yeah. Yeah. I think it's been, the, you don't have to do everything at once. Sometimes there's a misconception that we have to do everything all at one time and you really don't, those incremental steps that you take all through the day at the end of the day, they all add up and they all count. And, I'm the worst for when I go to the gym, I love to stay there and do of everything. The, the cardio get on some weights, I used to go to a place that had a punching bag that, you could go do that. I love to go do all that, and then you end up, like you said, being there for two or three hours, but then it becomes a discouragement because now, instead of running there for 15 or 20 minutes, it's like, Ugh, if I can't go do everything, I want stay there for a couple hours and I just don't go.

00:15:17 Roy Anyway, so you kind of have to get over that, whatever you go and do. The other thing about that, I was kind of noticing, we talked about tonight is that if I am up in busy, if I'm outside working, I don't really eat as bad as if I'm in the house. It seemed like if it's within arm's reach, it's much easier. So, sometimes just, kind of jokingly say the, going to the gym is its own thing for sure. The, the kind of the by-product is when you're gone and when you're there, you're not eating. So, it kind of helps you in that respect as well. That's kind of a, something that I know that is, I don't know if it's a trigger or just an observation that, if I'm staying close to the house, I tend to eat worse than if I'm out running around doing stuff.

00:16:08 Roy Yeah.

00:16:09 Terry That's probably, got something to say with who's going to the grocery store and stock in the cabinet. So, that could be a harder thing to, partake in if I wasn't so weak and got the chunky stuff, sorry, whoops. You're out at I'm out. Although I got some really good stuff this last time is it's been interesting. Deals have been interesting for sure,

00:16:42 Roy We're going to plug through, we're going to make it, and we're going to try to be more active. We're going to try and find out a little more about this fasting, the intermittent fasting to see. I would really like to, kind of figure that out because to be honest, it's one, breakfast is my meal and, that's always had always been the meal that we cook the most and the biggest every weekend. It's tough for me to be done with that. The other thing I think we've mixed up is instead of eating, maybe doing a smoothie, for breakfast, first thing to say,

00:17:20 Terry Right. I did, hold on. I did just pull up another article that said, the biggest downside to intermittent fasting for people with type two is the danger of hypoglycemia or low blood sugar. For this reason, it's recommended that they consult with their nutritionist and doctor to monitor their sugars. So.

00:17:47 Roy Never been a problem. I had mine are plenty high, a struggle trying to just keep them down. Like we said, go see a doctor. If you're going to start something like this. It's, it's always good just to make sure what advice they've got for you individually, because there may be other health factors that you have that your next door neighbor doesn't have. It's always good to let your doctor tell you specifically.

00:18:13 Terry Yeah, for sure.

00:18:15 Roy All alright. You got, you got anything else before we get outta here?

00:18:19 Terry Nope, not that, Nope. All right.

00:18:23 Roy Well, again, we appreciate the listeners. Like, I said, we're going to try to, stay more diabetes focused since that's definitely what I struggle with and, trying to release those on our Thursday with our guests on Tuesdays. We, we've got some great guests coming up, had some good interviews, this the last few days. Then, we've got a lot of great content already out there. Just, would suggest to, look back through some of the episodes. See if you can find one that resonates with you've had some great people on and got a lot of great, more common. So we're excited about that. Anyway, until next time, I'm your host. Roy, you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're also on all the major podcast platforms, tune Stitcher, Google, Spotify. If we're not a one that she listened to, please reach out. We'd love to get you added or get the one that you use added.

00:19:23 Roy We're also in all the major social media networks, probably hang out on Instagram more than any place else. A video recording of this episode will also go up when it goes live on YouTube. If you are a provider of some type in the health wellness, mindset, the area, give us a reach out. We'd love to talk to you about being a guest. Also, if you've got a great story about, overcoming some obstacles, what you've done to get healthy, what you've done to help change your mind, reach out. We'd love to have you on as a guest until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health.

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