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The bible story of Zacchaeus is found in Luke 19:1-9, and here are the first few verses: Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. He wanted to see who Jesus was, but because he was short he could not see over the crowd. So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.
In our adorable Christian parenting, we taught our kids a little song about Zacchaeus, and here were the first two lines:
Zacchaeus was a wee little man, and a wee little man was he!
He climbed up in a sycamore tree to see what he could see...
A passage in the bible about head coverings: 1 Corinthians 11:2-16
Link to Part 1 of Abigail's Story:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/13030650
Link to the documentary "Shiny Happy People"
https://www.amazon.com/Shiny-Happy-People-Duggar-Secrets/dp/B0B8TR2QV5
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their parallel journeys out of the cult mindset, the long process of unpacking indoctrination and spiritual trauma, and their separate but often co-mingled road to healing and humor. Come join them on the journey!
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
TRIGGER WARNING! This 3-part series contains discussions and descriptions of arranged teen marriage, spiritual abuse, sexual abuse, sexual assault, domestic abuse, and more. Listener discretion advised - and please take care of yourselves.
Tracey and Sharon talk with Abigail Witthauer, a courageous survivor of the cult "IBLP" (Institute for Basic Life Principles), led by Bill Gothard, and featured in the new documentary "Shiny Happy People." Shiny Happy People also told the "real" story of cult celebrities, "The Duggar Family."
This episode is the third of a multi-part interview with Abigail.
Part 1 is here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/13030650
Part 2 is here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/13055778
Listen to our general discussion of "Shiny Happy People" in episode 009, here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/13032097
Link to the documentary "Shiny Happy People"
https://www.amazon.com/Shiny-Happy-People-Duggar-Secrets/dp/B0B8TR2QV5
FANTASTIC-DO-NOT-MISS-THIS satire video on purity culture by the great folks at Mega-the-Podcast is here:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CreKutxI0e6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Abigail's TikTok (with lots of juicy cult stuff!)
https://www.tiktok.com/@unicornhabitat?_t=8d8e9yzzuNH&_r=1
Abigail's wonderful non-profit work with therapy dogs can be found here:
https://www.theroverchasefoundation.org/
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their parallel journeys out of the cult mindset, the long process of unpacking indoctrination and spiritual trauma, and their separate but often co-mingled road to healing and humor. Come join them on the journey!
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
TRIGGER WARNING! This episode contains discussions and descriptions of arranged teen marriage, spiritual abuse, sexual abuse, sexual assault, and more. Listener discretion advised - and please take care of yourselves.
Tracey and Sharon talk with Abigail Witthauer, a courageous survivor of the cult "IBLP" (Institute for Basic Life Principles), led by Bill Gothard, and featured in the new documentary "Shiny Happy People." Shiny Happy People also told the "real" story of celebrities "The Duggar Family."
This episode is the second of a multi-part interview with Abigail. Part 1 is here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/13030650
You can listen to our general discussion of "Shiny Happy People" in episode 009, here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/13032097
Link to the documentary "Shiny Happy People"
https://www.amazon.com/Shiny-Happy-People-Duggar-Secrets/dp/B0B8TR2QV5
FANTASTIC-DO-NOT-MISS-THIS satire video on purity culture by the great folks at Mega-the-Podcast is here:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CreKutxI0e6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Abigail's TikTok (with lots of juicy cult stuff!)
https://www.tiktok.com/@unicornhabitat?_t=8d8e9yzzuNH&_r=1
Abigail's wonderful non-profit work with therapy dogs can be found here:
https://www.theroverchasefoundation.org/
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their parallel journeys out of the cult mindset, the long process of unpacking indoctrination and spiritual trauma, and their separate but often co-mingled road to healing and humor. Come join them on the journey!
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
TRIGGER WARNING! This episode contains discussions and descriptions of ritualized child spanking, child abuse, spiritual abuse, and more. Listener discretion advised - and please take care of yourselves.
Tracey and Sharon talk with Abigail Witthauer, a courageous survivor of the cult "IBLP" (Institute for Basic Life Principles), led by Bill Gothard, and featured in the new documentary "Shiny Happy People." Shiny Happy People also told the "real" story of celebrities "The Duggar Family."
This episode is the first of a multi-part interview with Abigail. You can also listen to our general discussion of "Shiny Happy People" in episode 009, here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/13032097
Link to the documentary "Shiny Happy People"
https://www.amazon.com/Shiny-Happy-People-Duggar-Secrets/dp/B0B8TR2QV5
Abigail's TikTok (with lots of juicy cult stuff!)
https://www.tiktok.com/@unicornhabitat?_t=8d8e9yzzuNH&_r=1
Abigail's wonderful non-profit work with therapy dogs can be found here:
https://www.theroverchasefoundation.org/
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their parallel journeys out of the cult mindset, the long process of unpacking indoctrination and spiritual trauma, and their separate but often co-mingled road to healing and humor. Come join them on the journey!
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
Tracey and Sharon talk about the documentary "Shiny Happy People" (Amazon Prime), and discuss some similarities between Keith Green & Bill Gothard, and Last Days Ministries (LDM) & the Instituted for Basic Life Principles (IBLP).
Link to "Shiny Happy People"
https://www.amazon.com/Shiny-Happy-People-Duggar-Secrets/dp/B0B8TR2QV5
Link to the song "Open Your Eyes" by Keith Green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW2ACyQGJUA
Link to song "Asleep in the Light" by Keith Green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wKsIR5qlss
Link to 60 minute video "Keith Green Documentary: Your Love Broke Through" (In our opinion, more of a promotion that an true documentary!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nLRCIzNI5c&t=29s
Link to 10 minute video "LDM Information, Services & Product Promotionals" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CuPVBCpors
Links to quick videos about the plane crash Keith Green died in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZIriTiiJEI
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eUEuQhvzZk&t=51s
The Book "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=infidel+by+ayaan+hirsi+ali&i=stripbooks&hvadid=580696542841&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1026036&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=6331993327747668942&hvtargid=kwd-6886221101&hydadcr=22566_13493360&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_5lp0dazlm1_e
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their parallel journeys out of the cult mindset, the long process of unpacking indoctrination and spiritual trauma, and their separate but often co-mingled road to healing and humor. Come join them on the journey!
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
Tracey's journal entry, after her first encounter with a man beyond her marriage...
I found myself sitting across the table from a man whose intellectual and spiritual roots ran far deeper than my own; whose composure exuded that rare blend of wild abandon, yet calm stability; whose very essence reflected, without fanfare, the evidence of a rich array of life experiences. You were no "character", but one who stood at the far end of a path I had just begun to travel. And though our verbal communication stayed somewhat shallow and, at times, even a little disconnected, there was an unspoken message coming from you that resonated loud and clear within me.
I was drawn...
You kissed me. And I knew I had a choice to make. Back at your apartment, as I looked out over the skyline, I immediately felt a sense of "coming home" --- it was as though I was being reunited with a part of me that I had lost long, long ago. In the spillover of your quiet strength, I found safety to follow the voice that had been beckoning me for months; the voice that gave me permission to follow my desires. Releasing my sensuality with you came as naturally as breathing, without guilt or fear, shattering once and for all the guise of truth the lies had worn.
No more self-doubt...
You were a springtime awakening in the dead of my winter. A gift --- hand picked by the universe to encourage me forth into vibrant and ... "luscious living". And though I have only skimmed your surface, I will forever be grateful to you for choosing a lifestyle that encourages the freedom of sensual expression, and for sharing even a small part of that with me.
***********************************
Sharon's poem, the first time she felt a sense of emotional, romantic love and connection with a man...
When I awake my thoughts take flight
And far across an ocean fly
To light upon the love who holds my heart
Once cold, once left to die
And as the sun his journey makes
My soul is filled with silent song
Whispered to this secret love
To whom my hopes and dreams belong
And when the stars and moon embrace
To gently fade the twilight blue
I close my eyes and feel the joy
Of knowing, trusting, loving you
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their pa
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
CAUTION! In this episode we talk very vulnerably, honestly and explicitly about sex and our personal experiences. We feel this is not appropriate for younger kids. Regarding teenagers... for those who may have already been influenced by or are struggling with the teachings of "purity culture" and/or fundamentalist principles, our unvarnished real-life experiences may be useful and instructive. Please use discretion.
* If you haven't yet listened to the first three parts of Virgins & Volcanos, quit your dilly-dallying and catch up:
Part 1: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/12790634
Part 2: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/12825513
Part 3: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/12890425
NOTES & CORRECTIONS
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their parallel journeys out of the cult mindset, the long process of unpacking indoctrination and spiritual trauma, and their separate but often co-mingled road to healing and humor. Come join them on the journey!
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
CAUTION! In this episode we talk very vulnerably, honestly and explicitly about sex and our personal experiences. We feel this is not appropriate for younger kids. Regarding teenagers... for those who may have already been influenced by or are struggling with the teachings of "purity culture" and/or fundamentalist principles, our unvarnished real-life experiences may be useful and instructive. Please use discretion.
* If you haven't yet listened to Virgins & Volcanos Part 1, you can catch up here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/12790634
* If you haven't yet listened to Virgins & Volcanos Part 2 , you can catch up here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/12825513
In Part 3 we continue our discussion about how we, as VIRGINS, were impacted by the oppressiveness of Purity Culture, and the PAIN that was sown and reaped in our marriages.
NOTES & CORRECTIONS
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their parallel journeys out of the cult mindset, the long process of unpacking indoctrination and spiritual trauma, and their separate but often co-mingled road to healing and humor. Come join them on the journey!
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
CAUTION! In this episode we talk very vulnerably, honestly and explicitly about sex and our personal experiences. We feel this is not appropriate for younger kids. Regarding teenagers... for those who may have already been influenced by or are struggling with the teachings of "purity culture" and/or fundamentalist principles, our unvarnished real-life experiences may be useful and instructive. Please use discretion.
*** If you haven't yet listened to Virgins & Volcanos Part 1, you can catch up here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2078827/12790634
In Part 2 we pick up where we left off last time discussing:
NOTES, ADDITIONS & CORRECTIONS
"Feet of Clay - Confessions of the Cult Sisters" is a new podcast hosted by Sharon Madere (Bennett) and Tracey Phalen (Reed), who both worked alongside Keith and Melody Green at Last Days Ministries (LDM). As one-time key leaders in the organization, they go on record about the spiritually traumatic and often damaging influences of the Greens and the multitude of materials (many of which are still available today) published through LDM, including 'The Last Days Newsletter'. Sharon and Tracey each joined LDM as teenagers, where they met and married their respective spouses during those cult-commune years. Both couples independently left LDM in 1987 and moved hundreds of miles apart. They continued in their hard-held beliefs for over ten additional years, yet ultimately divorced in the early 2000s. In this podcast Tracey and Sharon come together to talk about their parallel journeys out of the cult mindset, the long process of unpacking indoctrination and spiritual trauma, and their separate but often co-mingled road to healing and humor. Come join them on the journey!
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
Send a text
Enjoy this little boner, er...uh...BONUS! Shared with permission, courtesy of Mega The Podcast. Find more great stuff on Instagram: MegaThePodcast
Watch video here:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CreKutxI0e6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I just like, I just opened my mind to the Holy Spirit and this is what came through
Jeah, uh, yeah
Set the scene, Follow me now
Bass is bumping and the party is jumping
Makin my way through the crowd at a social function
Then I see you girl, let me tell you somethin
You’re not looking like a snack
You’re looking like a whole luncheon
I’m supposed to be walking the line
But right now at this moment you are looking so fine
And all I can think about is making you mine
And now my designs are quite far from divine
I look down at my promise ring feeling ashamed
Cuz deep down in my body I am feeling the pain
You can’t hate the player, you can’t hate the game
Cuz in this situation there’s just one thing to blame
Ooo you made me feel like that Oh
Ooo you made me feel like that Gurrrrl
Ooo you made me feel like that Uh
If I get horny, well that’s your fault
Ooo you made me feel like that Gurrrrl
Ooo you made me feel like that Oh
Ooo you made me feel like that
My arousal is your responsibility
I should drop to my knees, contemplate divinity
Focus on the aspects of the holy trinity
Cause ever since the moment that you came in my vicinity
I have been rethinking my commitment to virginity
Oh wait til marriage that’s how it’s supposed to be
But you’re seducing me, and haven’t even noticed me
And then your eyes slowly move in my direction
I notice you noticing my underwhelming erection
Security grabs me, says I’m acting indecently
Says I’m “quote-unquote” staring at you creepily
This is entrapment, the culprit is you
Forgive them Father they know not what they do
Ooo you made me feel like that Oh
Ooo you made me feel like that Gurrrrl
Ooo you made me feel like that Dang
I am not responsible for my C+ boner
Ooo...
Ooo...
Ooo ...
If I get horny well that’s your fault
We have free will and this is God’ wisdom
Cuz otherwise the universe would be a closed system
Omnicient, Ominpresent and Omnipotent
Every single thing He sees, knows and controls it
Then how could anything that we do be called sinning
If God knew exactly what would happen from the beginning
And why go to hell to be eternally tormented
If an all-loving God could have prevented
But if He manifested and ----- us to show it
Then we wouldn’t be free agents, we’d just be puppets
Right?
So yeah, that’s all His voice, we always have a free choice
And without that everything falls apart
We can choose to accept Him or choose to depart
Everything in the world comes from God and His Son
All the sins I commit are my fault except one
Ooo...
Ooo...
Ooo...
I am full of lust and that’s on you
Ooo.
https://www.instagram.com/feetofclay.cultsisters
https://feetofclayconfessionsofthecultsisters.buzzsprout.com
We love acronyms -- and we aren't afraid to use them! Here are some common ones that we might forget to explain:
LDM - Last Days Ministries (organization)
ICT - Intensive Christian Training School (at LDM)
YWAM - Youth With A Mission (organization)
CCM - Contemporary Christian Music
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Feet of Clay – Confessions of the Cult Sisters – What's it like to live in a Christian cult commune? How the hell do smart people get brainwashed into crazy beliefs and behaviors? Tracey…

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