Fierce Conversations with Toby

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Natasha Dasher is on a life mission to help Returning Citizens realize their true potential. She is an appointed Commissioner for Returning Citizens and Re-Entry Affairs and the co-chair of the DC Democratic Caucus for Returning Citizens.

Some of our fierce topics today:

[7:38] Natasha started the ButterFly village to help children deal with social media and the stigma of having an incarcerated parent whose case is in the news.

[14:07] Choosing not to be a victim by taking ownership of your poor decisions.

[19:14] The power of community.

[27:42] The importance of a re-entry plan begins the first day you’re incarcerated.

[43:31] The freedom of owning the remote.

Links mentioned in this episode:

MORCA (Mayor’s Office on Returning Citizen Affairs) https://communityaffairs.dc.gov/morca

The Butterfly Village https://thebflyvillage.com/

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Toby Dorr:

Books and Audiobook

Website  

Patreon

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Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/

Find all interviews at https://www.youtube.com/@fierceconversationswithtoby

Transcripts available at https://tobydorr.com/podcast-schedule/

In this episode, Brittany Means discusses her new memoir, Hell If We Don’t Change Our Ways.

About Brittany Means:

Brittany Means is a writer and editor living in Albuquerque, NM. A graduate of Iowa's MFA Nonfiction Writing Program, Means has worked with Inara Verzemnieks and Kiese Laymon. She has received several awards for her work, including the Magdalena Award, the Herodotus Award, and the Grace Paley Fellowship at Under the Volcano.

Notes from Toby: 

I have long been a fan of Jeannette Walls. Her memoir Glass Castle gave me permission to tell my own crazy story. Today, I’m lucky enough to live within an hour’s drive of Jeannette and so I’ve been able to connect with her at several book events. A few months ago, Jeannette posted on Facebook a photo of her with a young college student, and shared the story that many years ago Jeannette was speaking at a college when a girl came up to her for a photo and shared that she wanted to be an author also. Today, that woman, Brittany Means, just published an amazing memoir. Jeannette reached out to me and said, “Toby, I think Brittany could be one of your fierce women!” I immediately scheduled her interview. Of course, I also bought the memoir – and you should too! Another powerful life story by a talented woman author!

Key Topics and Time Stamps:

[6:57] What did putting your story out into the world feel like?

[10:24] Who has been your most important mentor?

[18:58] Brittany talks about the adjustment from being homeless to being a college student.

Links: 

If you want to be empowered in your life, listen to Brittany!

https://www.brittanymeans.com

https://www.brittanymeans.com/book

https://www.instagram.com/brittanymeansit/

Support Fierce Conversations with Toby:

Toby Dorr:

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https://linktr.ee/tobydorrbooks

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https://www.instagram.com/tobydorr/

https://www.facebook.com/TobyDorrAuthor

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GP Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/ 

Head to https://www.youtube.com/@fierceconversationswithtoby to find all video interviews!

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http://www.bfa-ministry.org/

Gina Hanna founded Beauty for Ashes Ministry with her husband Derk in 2009. Their vision was to drastically reduce recidivism in prisons across the United States by providing a biblically based Christ-centered program for prisoners and ex-offenders. Her vision for the ministry came from her own personal struggle with drug addiction which led to her incarceration in 1998. Through her journey to true freedom and healing, she discovered her life’s mission and now uses her story to help and encourage.  Beauty for Ashes provides programming in prisons in Missouri and Kansas as well as operates a residential recovery center for women, Shielded by Faith Recovery.

Toby Dorr:

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Website  

Patreon

YouTube

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Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/

Watch the video interview here!

Transcripts available at https://tobydorr.com/podcast-schedule/

When we know the hard choice is right, in a way, it's not hard because we can't not do it.

-        Kimberly Braun, TEDx speaker, bestselling author, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby

Join us as Kimberly Braun shares her extraordinary life journey with us. Kimberly discusses her challenging decision to join a monastery at the age of 24, becoming a cloistered nun, and the emotional difficulty of leaving the monastery after ten and a half years. She recounts a profound spiritual experience that led her to question her vows, ultimately receiving permission from the Pope to leave. Kimberly also reflects on the transition back to the secular world, the overwhelming noise and technological changes, and the emotional challenges of reintegrating with her family. Together, we will learn about the transformative power of healing.

Some of our fierce topics today:

[00:05] Introduction

[1:57] Joining the Monastery 

Kimberly discusses the hardest decision she ever had to make, which was joining the monastery at the age of 24. 

[06:59] Leaving the Monastery and Inner Illumination

Kimberly shares the moment of inner illumination in her hermitage in August of the year 2000, leading to her decision to leave the monastery after 10 and a half years.

[20:58] Changes in Childhood and Parental Busyness

Reflecting on the differences in childhood experiences, emphasizing a shift in parental availability and busyness.

[23:10] Mentors and Spiritual Exploration

Kimberly’s perspective on mentorship, including finding wisdom in various people and spiritual experiences.

[24:15] - Discovering Self Summit

Introduction to Kimberly Braun's online summit, "Discovering Self," with details about the summit's format, contributors, and the broad theme of self-discovery applicable to all individuals.

[33:06] - Overcoming Challenges and Kimberly’s new book Miracles in the Naked Light.

About Kimberly Braun:

Kimberly Braun, impelled from earliest childhood experiences, has spent over a decade as a monastic nun exploring the path of Presence. With a master’s in theology, she lives to inspire others to connect to, and live from, Divine Love at their center.

She is a TEDx speaker and former meditation faculty at the renowned Omega Institute. Kimberly’s communication skills ignite transformation on all levels serving others to lives of greater freedom and joy.

Kimberly also has three books currently in publication, Love Calls: Insights of a Former Carmelite Nun, Beloved Found: Poems from the Source, and her latest release Miracles in the Naked Light: The Extraordinary Life in Every Moment.

Curious by nature, deeper questions have been a big part of Kimberly's life from those moments forward. And these deeper questions lead her presently to believe that Source/Spirit/Life Force are within our very center (figuratively.) Yes, in this LOVE, people live and move and have their being.

Links mentioned in this episode:

Kimberly Braun and Toby Dorr will both be speaking at the Discovering Self Summit  (hosted by Kimberly), happening virtually Friday January 5th through Sunday January 7th. Find out more and get your tickets here!

Kimberly Braun:

Website  

All Books by Kimberly Braun on Amazon  

Miracles in the Naked Light Audiobook

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Toby Dorr:

Books and Audiobook

Website  

Patreon

YouTube

Instagram

Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

 Trigger warning/disclaimer:

This episode contains discussions about cancer, including personal experiences and journeys. The content may be emotionally intense and could be triggering for individuals who have had personal experiences with cancer or are sensitive to health-related topics. If you find these discussions distressing, it may be advisable to skip this episode or listen with caution. Remember to prioritize your mental and emotional well-being.

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Transcripts available at https://tobydorr.com/podcast-schedule/

“Even before my oncologist told me “You don't have cancer anymore”, I had to learn how to thrive.

Once I focused on doing things that I love to do, and reading, and being in the sun, and living, and smiling, and laughing... a month and a half, two months later, my doctor's like, 'There's nothing there.’”          

-       Tekquiree Spencer, cancer thriver, actress, filmmaker, host and creator of the Thrive Beyond Cancer Summit, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby

Some of our fierce topics today:

[00:00] Introduction: Tekquiree Spencer discusses her background, the Thrive Beyond Cancer Summit, and her work as a wellness advocate.

[02:11] A Difficult Decision: The hardest decision Tekquiree had to make, related to her cancer diagnosis and treatment choices.

[04:54] Impact of Cancer Diagnosis: Being diagnosed with stage 4 inflammatory breast cancer, including Tekquiree’s emotional experiences and challenges.

[14:21] Trauma Leading to Positive Change: Tekquiree reflects on her cancer diagnosis as a traumatic event that led to positive change, shaping her perspective on life, purpose, and the importance of community support.

[19:41] The Birth of a Healer: Tekquiree on her son Jace was born three weeks after her Stage IV Inflammatory Breast Cancer diagnosis and discussing the special significance of his name, which means "healer."

[21:45] Brand and Programs: The brands of Tekquiree, including the nonprofit Thrive Beyond Cancer, her company Thrive by Tekquiree, and her role as a wellness advocate.

[26:04] Life after Cancer: The impact of cancer on Tekquiree’s life and the importance of living fully, being less afraid, and embracing the call to thrive.

About Tekquiree Spencer:

Tekquiree Spencer, actress, filmmaker, wellness coach, advocate, host and creator of the Thrive Beyond Cancer Summit, and a cancer thriver, faced a pivotal moment in life at the age of 34. Pregnant with her son Jace, whose name signifies healer, she received a Stage IV Inflammatory Breast Cancer diagnosis. Miraculously, by the grace of God, she not only welcomed a healthy baby boy but also achieved healing four months later. Tekquiree attributes her recovery to a combination of faith in God, unwavering community support, and a comprehensive approach that merged holistic and conventional medicine.

For those facing their own struggles, Tekquiree extends a comforting message: you are not alone. Someone has traversed a similar path before you, ready to provide guidance. There exists a supportive community eager to embrace, love, inspire, and instill hope. Regardless of the burdens one carries—be it feelings of isolation, fatigue, unheard voices, or overwhelming fear—every moment is a precious gift.

Links mentioned in this episode:

Tekquiree Spencer:

Thrive Beyond Cancer

Tekquiree's Website

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Toby Dorr:

Books and Audiobook

Website  

Patreon

YouTube

Instagram

Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/ 

Watch the video interview here!

Transcripts available at https://tobydorr.com/podcast-schedule/

"The lost art of what's been going on is people have forgotten how to have a conversation and how to say, 'Can I help you?'"

 - Laura Spetter, 14-year Air Force veteran and today’s guest along with Geoff Spetter, a 21-year Army veteran, on “Fierce Conversations with Toby”

In this episode of “Fierce Conversations with Toby,” we dive deep into the world of veterans' support with guests Geoff and Laura Spetter, both military veterans with compelling stories and a shared commitment to making a difference. Geoff reflects on his journey from being a forward observer for field artillery to transitioning into the IT world, and how it led him to co-host "The Veterans Show" on WCBM. Laura shares her passion for helping veterans navigate the complexities of the VA system. Together, they emphasize the significance of building a strong veteran community, bridging gaps in healthcare and employment opportunities, and inspiring individuals to join their mission of support. This heartfelt and informative conversation offers valuable insights into the challenges veterans face and the power of collaboration and compassion in improving their lives.

Toby Dorr, our host and creator, is married to a Navy veteran, the step-mother of another Navy veteran, and the sister to a Marines and Army veteran. Happy Veteran's Day and thank you all for your service. “Fierce Conversations with Toby” proudly supports our veterans.

Some of our fierce topics today:

[00:00] Introduction.

[04:03] The Veterans Show: Laura and Geoff shares insights into co-hosting "The Veterans Show" on WCBM, a platform for veterans to share their stories and experiences.

[6:10] Challenges Faced by Veterans: veterans' struggle with navigating VA systems, the sharing of their experiences, the need for greater awareness of their plight, and their difficulties reintegrating into society.

[09:13] The Struggle for Veterans' Healthcare: touching on the unmet expectations of veterans regarding medical care after writing a "blank check" for their country, the complexities and challenges of the VA system, and the need for improved medical care without excessive bureaucracy and medication reliance.

[19:35] Inconsistencies in Veterans' Benefits Across States: the lost art of human interaction in the digital age and the mission to create a community that makes a positive impact, with a whimsical mention of a bird-feeding habit.

[26:38] The Power of Courage, Trust, and Fierce Conversations: the power of words and meaningful conversations, emphasizing the importance of addressing difficult topics openly and honestly

[28:32] Outro.

About Laura and Geoff Spetter:

Laura, an Air Force veteran, served for 14 years as a personalist, excelling in regulations and assisting others. Geoff, a U.S. Army veteran, served for nearly 21 years, with the first seven years as a forward observer for field artillery. He later transitioned to an IT career in 2003 after losing his hearing. Both share a strong connection to the military and its importance in their lives.

You can hear Geoff and Laura every Saturday at 1800 – 1900/6 PM – 7 PM (Eastern) as they host “The Veteran's Show” on WCBM 680, Baltimore's Talk Radio.

Laura and Geoff’s mission is to end veteran suicide.

Links mentioned in this episode:

Geoff and Laura Spetter:

Listen live to “The Veteran’s Show”

Email Laura and Geoff: [email protected]

Call-In Line for “The Veteran’s Show”: 800-922-6680
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Toby Dorr:

Books and Audiobook

Website  

Patreon

YouTube

Instagram

Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/

Watch the video interview here!

Transcripts available at https://tobydorr.com/podcast-schedule/

“A road can always be found between two hearts.”

-        Leslie Ahmadi, language coach, cross-cultural/diversity consultant, author of the upcoming book Road Between Two Hearts: A Black American Bride Discovers Iran, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby

Some of our fierce topics today:

[00:05] Introduction to the Podcast: Understanding how different cultures, races, and countries can come together to create an extended family.

[01:05] Discussing Favorite Color: Toby and Leslie discuss Leslie's favorite color, brown, and how it became her favorite due to it complementing her complexion. 

[08:24] Leslie's Memoir: Leslie talks about her upcoming memoir titled Road Between Two Hearts: A Black American Bride Discovers Iran.

[21:11] Returning to the USA: Leslie shares her difficult decision to return to the United States from Iran and how it impacted her family, including her husband and children. 

[26:05] Persian Culture: not being aware of certain customs and how a lack of awareness can lead to misunderstandings.

[27:21] Living with Extended Family: Leslie’s experience of living in Iran and staying with her husband's family before moving into their own house. 

[28:44] Living in a Multi-Generational Family: Toby and Leslie discuss their shared experience of living in multi-generational families. 

[30:05] Leslie Ahmadi Offers Advice on Cross-Cultural Relationships: the importance of understanding one's own values and recognizing cultural differences. 

About Leslie Ahmadi:

Long before she could speak another language or have a sophisticated discussion on “cross-cultural relations,” Leslie Powell, an African American child from Connecticut, was fascinated by the glimpses of other worlds surrounding her. By the time she was four, she had staged her first imaginary flamenco dance, mastered half a dozen imaginary foreign languages, and traveled to countless made-up foreign lands. Her favorite recording artist was Harry Belafonte, known for his colorful collection of folk songs from across the world. 

She studied Latin and Spanish in school, traveled to Italy, Spain, and Mexico in her secondary and post-secondary years, and embarked on a career as a language instructor of Spanish and English as a Second Language. While pursuing a Ph. D. in foreign language and culture education at The Ohio State University (1987), she met her future husband Mahmoud, a doctoral student in agronomy and gentleman from Iran who would eventually redirect her path from “established Spanish professor in America” to “adventurer in the Middle East.”  After four years of living and working with him as an English language professor and coach in Iran, Leslie’s own cultural experience had profoundly affected her.  She realized then that, upon her family’s return to the States, she would no longer be content with teaching language alone.  Instead, she would actively pursue the career of a cross-cultural educator, trainer and consultant.  She also knew that a book of her cross-cultural adventures was already brewing inside her.

After being hired as “Director of Spanish for the Professions” at her alma mater The Ohio State University, her post led her to several other opportunities to present on cross-cultural issues both domestically and abroad.

Links mentioned in this episode:

Lesli Ahmadi:

Website

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Toby Dorr:

Books and Audiobook

Website  

Patreon

YouTube

Instagram

Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/

Watch the video interview here!  

Transcripts available at https://tobydorr.com/podcast-schedule/

“I have a weekly conversation with my mentees. We do once a month face to face. And it really makes a difference.

People know that you care.”

 - Marla Smith, Christian care provider, clinical researcher, mentor for the Welcome Home Reentry Program and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby

Some of our fierce topics today:

[00:05] Introduction to the podcast and guest Marla Smith.

[02:17] Marla's early life crossroads and personal growth.

[03:24] Marla's decision to pursue a master's degree in Christian counseling.

[06:05] Marla's experience as a volunteer and being named Volunteer of the Year.

[11:10] The challenges faced by women reentering society after incarceration.

[17:14] The importance of successful reintegration into society.

[17:33] Early support for individuals reentering society.

[18:05] The role of mentoring and support programs in reentry.

[19:20] Challenges faced by individuals upon release from prison.

[21:05] The value of group meetings and peer support for formerly incarcerated women.

[24:05] The "Fearfully and Wonderfully Made Ministry" and its mission to educate young girls about puberty and their bodies.

[29:03] Outro to this episode.

About Marla Smith:

A mother and grandmother, Marla Smith also provides Christian Care and performs clinical research. As part of Catholic Charities’ Welcome Home Reentry Program Marla mentors previously incarcerated women. Additionally, through her Fearfully and Wonderfully Made ministry, Marla educates young girls about puberty with a special emphasis on their bodies as they prepare for menstruation.

Links mentioned in this episode:

Marla Smith:

Website

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Toby Dorr:

Books and Audiobook

Website  

Patreon

YouTube

Instagram

Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/

Content warning: This episode discusses the journey of one our guests to recovery with an eating disorder. While this episode, and all episodes of Fierce Conversations with Toby, are designed to facilitate healing for all, some listeners may be troubled by the subject matter.

Watch the video interview here!

Transcripts available at https://tobydorr.com/podcast-schedule/

Everything happens for a reason. And five years from now, you'll look back and finally understand that very reason. It's not happening to you, it's happening for you. It will all be okay in the end. And if it's not okay now, then it's not the end."

- Amanda Plasse, today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby

Lisa Plasse and her daughter, Amanda Plasse, open up about their journey through Amanda's mental health challenges, particularly her battle with an eating disorder. Lisa describes the rollercoaster of emotions and treatments Amanda went through over 18 months, leading to a transformative experience with dialectical behavior therapy (DBT). Amanda shares her future aspirations of graduating with a psychology degree, attending grad school for social work, and ultimately establishing a comprehensive treatment center to address multiple aspects of mental health in one place. Their conversation underscores the importance of open dialogue, reducing stigma, and holistic support systems, providing valuable insights for listeners facing similar challenges.

Some of our fierce topics today:

[00:00] Introduction to Amanda and Her Journey

[07:15] Discussion of Amanda's Eating Disorder

[12:20] Recognizing Signs of Mental Stress in Young Adults

[15:50] Amanda's Decision to Share Her Story on Social Media

[20:22] Amanda's Social Media Post

[29:10] How Society Can Reduce the Stigma Surrounding Eating Disorders

[29:18] Reducing Stigma Around Eating Disorders

[35:10] Amanda's Future Goals

About Amanda Plasse:

Amanda Plasse is going to be a junior this fall at Montclair State University studying psychology. After graduation, she plans to continue onto grad school in order to become a therapist. Her ultimate goal is to eventually return back to school to receive her PhD in psychology and open up her own treatment center that treats various mental illnesses.

Currently, she is a Crisis Counselor with the Crisis Text Line. She is also a Recovery Caseworker with the Red Cross, providing resources and speaking with clients who have recently experienced a natural disaster. Finally, she works at Illuminate ABA as a behavior technician working with children with autism.

She has been diagnosed with multiple mental illnesses and has been to several treatment centers and hospitals herself. Her hope is that she can help as many people as she can who are struggling because she knows what it's like to truly live with a mental illness.

About Lisa Plasse:

Lisa Plasse is the owner, director, and flute and voice teacher of From the Top Music Studio in Midland Park, NJ, which offers instrumental and vocal lessons. In addition to her work at From the Top, she is also an applied vocal lessons instructor at Columbia University and has produced and directed many musicals, theater workshops, and concert performances. Lisa also composed and played the flute for the theme song for Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Links mentioned in this episode:

Blog post 1 by Lisa Plasse about her daughter Amanda Plasse

Blog post 2 by Lisa Plasse about her daughter Amanda Plasse
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Toby Dorr:

Books and Audiobook

Website  

Patreon

YouTube

Instagram

Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/

Contennt warning: This episode discusses death, including the death of a fellow inmate by execution because of the death penalty and the death of our guests husband to cancer. While this episode, and all episodes of Fierce Conversations with Toby, are designed to facilitate healing for all, some listeners may be troubled by the subject matter.

Watch the video interview here!

Transcripts available at https://tobydorr.com/podcast-schedule/

“I would have never done the things I did when I got home. Never. If it weren't for what I had learned and the people I had met there [in prison].”

 - Lisa Nordike, today’s guest, former cellmate with Toby Dorr, and the real “George” from the bestselling memoir Living With Conviction

Some of our fierce topics today:

[00:00] Introduction and Guest Introduction

[03:02] Discussing Time Spent in Prison

[07:16] Taking in Foster Children

[10:20] Educational and Career Paths of Foster Children

[13:11] Bonding and Friendships in Prison

[14:38] Remembering Friends Who Passed Away

[17:19] Lisa's Execution and Coping

[18:05] Recalling Light Moments in Prison

[21:12] Lisa's Philanthropic Efforts and Love for Kids

[25:00] Outro

About Lisa Nordike:

Lisa was one of Toby's closest friends inside prison and was a major character in her memoir Living With Conviction, where she was known as “George”. After Lisa served her prison sentence, she took in a dozen foster teenagers whose parents were incarcerated. Lisa is proof that it is possible to rebuild your life and even become a beacon of hope to others.

Links mentioned in this episode:

Lisa Nordike:

Lisa does not have a public profile, but contact can be made through Toby at [email protected].
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Toby Dorr:

Books and Audiobook

Website  

Patreon

YouTube

Instagram

Facebook

Or head to https://linktr.ee/fierceconversations for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby.

Credits:

Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/