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Welcome to episode 80 of the Final Surge Podcast where we welcome medical doctor Josh Emdur to the show. Josh has an interesting practice, he works for SteadyMD which changes the way the people interact with their primary care physician. Imagine, instead of calling your primary care doctor for an appointment you texted them and shortly thereafter you were talking to your doctor via a video chat. Dr. Emdur's practice does just that and he specializes in working with runners. You can find him at SteadyMD.com/running.

Josh is doing some interesting thing around medicine for runners

If you could tell us how you got started as a runner?

• 8 years ago as became a parent
• Played soccer, lacrosse was always a better runner than a player
• As a physician and parent in Boulder turned to running
• Ran Rock n Roll marathon in San Diego in 2011 and set sights on Boston
• Wasn't until he hired a coach that he had his big breakthrough

What was it working with a coach that really changed things?

• Had qualified for Boston, but never fast enough to get accepted
• Didn't understand what it meant to run easy and the 80/20 rule

You are online at SteadyMD.com/running can you tell us what this site is about?

• Been a family doctor for the last decade
• Concierge medical service for runners

How does that work, how do you treat patients virtually?

• Medical school taught 80% of diagnosis is in history
• This allows you to take the time to get to know them and their history and goals
• Subscription service outside of health insurance
• Build a 1-on-1 relationship with the client
• Constant communications with patients

I've seen on your social media that Neely Spence Gracey uses you, being in Boulder are you working with a certain level of runners or anyone?

• Athlete doctor
• Athlete care network
• A new way to handle primary care with someone who understands runners
• Works with some coaches and athletes as part of their team
• Work with any athlete trying to help them get to their goal

You have mentioned you are more like a primary care doctor for athletes. Why do I need a primary care physician when it seems specialist is more of the trend these days?

• Primary care doctors look at the big picture

Can you practice in any state?

• Have to be licensed in every state
• Currently licensed in 26 states

You are obviously using technology to make this work, what do you with the future of healthcare technology such as all the data that Apple Health is grabbing, Do you or can you use and monitor that?

• The current system is not working
• High deductible systems are not working, discourage care
• Here they have access to a Doctor
• Fan of GoodRx

It seems that technology is lowering the costs for just about everything in our lives these days, but the one place it is not lowering is our healthcare costs. Healthcare costs total about 18% of our GDP last I saw, without getting into the politics of health care and ObamaCare, do you see subscription services like this as a future way to lower costs?

• It doesn't cost a lot of money to take good care of people
• 5 minutes with primary care physician does not move the needle
• It takes time with patients to dig deeper

If someone is already paying obscene amounts for health insurance why would they spend the $79/mo on this too?

• Runners pay a lot for health insurance and don't even use it because not happy with the experience
• Get on a higher deductible plan and use this to help with basic health goals
• People are not used to paying to go see the Doctor, takes time to get used to, but paying for expertise

I don't go to the doctors often, I don't think I have been to a Dr. in at least 7-8 years. Last time I was there I had an appointment and all I remember is it took almost an hour longer before I was able to see the doctor. How would an appointment work with you online?

• Video chat, HIPAA compliant
• The first appointment is over an hour going over history, that first visit is important to get to know who caring for

If received a prescription from you would insurance cover it?

• Yes

I wake up this AM and not feeling well and want a consultation, how long would it take to get an appointment?

• Text through the app and will be able to see the same day

What does an appointment with you look like?

• Check vitals
• Get a history of what is going on
• Come up with a treatment plan

What do you think is running related injuries vs general health issues for your clients?

• 50/50
• Most start with running injuries but then develops into a general relationship

I wake up on a Tuesday morning with a race this weekend and I am feeling something coming on. You are off on your vacation for a couple weeks rock climbing in South America, what happens if i need service while you are gone?

• We have other doctors in practice that fill in

You mentioned you can be a team member with an athlete and their coach, can you give me an example of how that would work?

• Have an athlete who is coached by a McMillian coach using Final Surge which I can see the information and notes of
• We were able to catch an injury issue early when it was just a stress reaction, not a stress fracture
• Came up with diagnosis and back at it

Final Surge 5 questions in under a minute

Favorite endurance/running book? - Born to Run Current trainers you are wearing? - Newton Favorite race? - Boston or any race where people are excited to be there Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? - Cholocate Milk Your favorite workout - Anytime pushing myself usually on trails

Resources

SteadyMD/Running Website SteadyMDRunning on Twitter SteadyMDRunning on Instagram

Welcome to episode 79 of the Final Surge Podcast. Today we dive deep into training with coach and author Mario Fraioli. We spend a half hour talking nothing but the 5k. We dive into how to race a 5 and how you structure your training for that race. If you are interested in coahing for the 5k you can reach out to Mario on his website MarioFraioli.com or check out our training plans at Finalsurge.com.

We have a special training episode today where we are going to talk about 5k training. But before we do that I want to spend 2 minutes catching up. We had you on last year, people can learn more about you from episode 27. I think most of our listeners know about your Morning Shakeout Tuesday newsletter, but recently you added the shakeout podcast. I loved your recent episode with Shalane. What made you decide a podcast was where you wanted to go next?

• Growing medium
• Way to dig deeper

5k Training/Racing

The 5k is unique because it is the shortest race most non-elite winners will do. It's also my favorite race distance to coach personally because it's a great mix of endurance and speed. What do you personally like or not like about the 5k?

• Racer's race
• Can't back off like longer races
• 5k runners are there to race and push themselves to an uncomfortable place
• Blend of good endurance and speed
• Foot on gas the entire time
• Distance Thunder article

For this, I don't want to focus on the couch to 5k. There are plenty of plans and podcasts about that. I want to focus on someone who is really interested in racing a 5k. And that could be someone looking to break their 24min Pr or go sub 19 or even sub 15. We usually talk about training and then get into racing. But today I want to work backwards. I want to start with racing the 5k to understand what we need to work on in training. You take on a new athlete what general racing advice do you have for a road 5k runner?

• It is going to be uncomfortable
• You won't feel good even if it is going well

Racing a 5k is tough. As I tell my athletes you need to learn to enjoy that ride on a pain train. If you are going for it then from 800-5k meters you are probably going to hurt. Do you find there is work you can do to get them used to that feeling or do they need to race to experience it?

• More experience to race because there are no breaks

If you have someone, maybe a competitive age grouper, not going for the win. How do they race it? Do you like even splits on a flat course for optimal racing?

• Even splits are a nice goal, but not going to happen often and that is ok
• Will often negative split with a fast finish

There is usually a big pack early through maybe 2k then it starts thinning out. Is this because too many people go out to fast?

• You need to keep it close
• Need to maintain contact with the group in front of you

No, of course,e you mentioned experience racing is the best teacher for racing a 5k. You can be in great shape and still fall apart in a 5k so how do you ride that line between going for it and blowing up?

• Pay attention to breathing in the first mile
• Want to get through the first mile in good shape by paying attention to your body

If you have an athlete who says I have this key 5k I want to crush how long is your recommended program and what should the base look like before they even start that?

• Depends on the athlete and where they are
• Could be 6-8 weeks could be or could be a lot longer up to 6-months

What type of base should they be coming off, what should the training look like before the training cycle?

• Not a fan of just base
• Should be doing some intensity and hills
• 10-15 second hills and then working longer

If someone had a 12-week block how much racing can they do before their A race?

• Start with a 5k as a benchmark
• Maybe one a few weeks later
• Do not want to over-race
• If you can find a 1-2 mile race that would be great, something faster to help sharpen you

You mention faster than race pace work, how do you structure those in?

• Once every ten days or so, one ever three workouts or so

Walking through a training week

• Monday - Rest/Recovery
• Tuesday - 6-7 x 800 at 5k pace close to equal recovery
• Wednesday - Easy recovery on longer side
• Thursday - Distance run with strides
• Friday - Key workout, 2x 2 miles at 10k pace with some faster 200/300 at mile pace
• Saturday/Sunday a long run and a recovery run, up to athlete which is when

We talked about racing on that edge, how many 'Seeing God' workouts do you do?

• Once every 4 weeks
• Do not let them know before it is coming
• Don't tell them when last rep is coming

What percent of the total volume for the week is your long run in 5k training?

• 20-30%, 50 miles a week maybe 10-13 mile long run
• It is important to keep the long run in your training

How do you work in workouts that may be specific to the course?

• Need to look at turns, hills, up and down
• Pacing won't be consistent like on track
• Take intervals off track to simulate
• Mimic race course as much as possible

Interested in getting coached by Mario, check out his website

The Morning Shakeout Newsletter

Distance Thunder article

Mario on Twitter

This is a replay best of episode of the podcast where we go back to Episode 39 of the Final Surge Podcast and our talk with Team MPI head coach and co-founder Mark Sortino. Mark is a USA Triathlon Level III Coach, a certified USAT Race Director, and is the head coach of Team USA Paratriathlon. In addition to coaching, Mark is a 16-time Ironman finisher.

Welcome to Episode 39 of the Final Surge Podcast where we talk to head coach and co-founder of TeamMPI, Mark Sortino. Mark is a Level III Triathlon coach and has been featured in publications such as USA Triathlon Magazine and Triathlete Magazine, and was a featured coach in Endurance Films TriMinds series. Team MPI has triathlon training plans available on Final Surge from the sprint distance through the Ironman.

How did you get your start in endurance athletics?

How did you make the transition into triathlons?

What lead to you starting Team MPI? Can you tell us about your group?

How many coaches do you currently have on staff at Team MPI?

You mentioned that you are using Final Surge in your training. How are you using it?

We want to start out with some basic training and triathlon questions for those who are looking to do their first multisport event. For someone who is looking to get started with triathlons, maybe they are someone who has done a lot of running or swimming, what do you see as the most common mistakes made?

You have a wide variety of training plans available on Final Surge, everything from the sprint distance up to Ironman training plans. Let's look at the basic first week for a beginner Olympic distance race plan. Before we talk about specifics, what type of base should a beginner have before they start training for their first triathlon?

Week #1: The first day you have 30 minutes of swimming and 30 minutes of aerobic running with strides.

The 30-minute swim workout is:

• 200 easy choice warmup mix

• 3x the following: (100 easy, :30 RI, 100 moderate, :30 RI, 100 fast, 1:00 RI)
• 100 easy choice cooldown mix

***No paces to hit, just go with feel and intention.

For someone who is coming in without a swim background, how important is it to use perceived exertion on the swim?

After the swim, you have the 30 minutes of running. Should these be done back to back, does order matter, or should they be separate so you are recovered?

Day two of Week #1 is a 30-minute active recovery swim and 30 minutes of bike base spinning. One thing I noticed on the swim is that on the second day you have:

• 150 warmup, build each 50
• 4 x 50 - alternate easy/fast up, then 4 x 100 alternating and again 4 x 50 alternating hard and easy.

For someone who is coming from a run background, we don't see a coach saying go hard two days in a row. How different is it training for the swim?

Then the bike workout is 30 minutes of staying in zones 1-2. Is all of your biking done in heart rate zones versus training paces?

On day three there is a Fartlek run:

• 10 minute EASY warm-up, building to Z2
• 15 minutes of fartlek where you have 4 sprints at any type of distance (for 20 sec, 1 minute, stop sign to stop sign), but make sure you recover before each one.

Why and how often are you incorporating fartlek work into your workouts?

In week #1 you have some days that are just running or just biking, but every day of swimming has either a bike or run. Is this a normal pattern for your triathlon training?

For the new triathlete, they get to the starting line on race day and they are looking at several hundred people ahead of them waiting to get into the water. How do you prepare them for what will likely be a much rougher swim than what they practiced?

Now I'd like to look at an Ironman plan. An Ironman is going to be a lot of additional time in the water and on the roads. Looking at one of the weeks for your ironman training you have a total of 3.5 hours of running, 5.5 hours of biking and just under 2.5 hours swimming. Do you try to keep each week proportional to the amount of time they will actually be spending doing the event on race day or do you focus on what they may need the most help with?

On days where you are doing either both swimming and running, swimming and biking or biking and running, is it important that you do them in the order you will be doing them on race day? Is that not important at all or should you switch it up?

Over the last few years, there have been a lot of technical advancements that make it easier to train, such as the availability of power meters and testing your heart rate variability. How important are these tools to your coaching?

Can you tell us how you are using HRV with your athletes to monitor the overall picture of what is going on with them?

We all live with our Google calendar, our day planners and our family calendar hanging on the fridge, and they all have the same thing - 7 day weeks, which is what we seem to focus on for our normal training periods. You recently had a piece on your TeamMPI.com blog about changing the cycles up some. What do you recommend people consider when putting together a training cycle?

Team MPI has training plans available on Final Surge from the sprint triathlon distance up to the Ironman distance. I will leave the links in the show notes to those plans, but if someone wanted to reach out to you about coaching or other questions how could they best reach you. [email protected] or [email protected]

The Final Surge... 5 questions in under 1 minute Favorite running book? - Born to Run Current trainers you are wearing? - Newton Favorite race? - Kona Favorite meal or recovery drink? - Shakeology and Energy Lab Armor Your favorite workout - Running: a hard trail run, Bike: short interval work, Swim: long repeats

You can find Team MPI in the following places:

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Welcome to episode 77 of the Final Surge Podcast where we welcome professional runner Kellyn Taylor and her coach Ben Rosario. Kellyn is coming off her top 10 finish at the New York City Marathon last November is one of the many amazing Americans in the Boston Marathon in April. We talk to Kellyn and her coach about the training to date and what to expect in Boston. They share with us what the workouts look like, what Boston specific work they are doing and get into details about the hills and why they chose Boston for the spring marathon. Make sure you check out Ben's 10-weeks to Boston Blog and follow Kellyn online.

How did you get started in running?

• Ran in middle school
• High School moved to running all year and became state champion
• Went to a Jr College then Witchita State

You ran a great race at NYC, at what point did you decide Boston was going to be your next race?

• After NYC decided was not going to do a spring marathon
• Changed mind shortly after

How is your training going, where are you with it?

• December until a few weeks ago did base phase
• Now in the second week of specific marathon training

Ben, you have been blogging about the training, can you tell us what the weeks are looking like right now?

• In the second week, bumping mileage up to peak mileage which will be 6-5-4 and three weeks out
• Long steady marathon efforts are the bread and butter

Arnold on Twitter asked about the mental aspect of running when you decide you did not want to do a marathon right after NYC was it more for mental reasons or physical?

• Mental is part of it

Ben, when you are coaching elite runners like this, how much do you talk about the mental aspect of racing?

• Try to focus one week at a time
• Want it to be that you are so fit when it comes time to race you are just confident
• They have been through it so many times they know what to expect
• Boston weather so unpredictable cannot plan and just get fit

One thing Ben has been talking about on the blog is how different Boston is. What has been different about the Boston preparation?

• Hammering downhills
• Yesterday 22 miles and probably 19 of them were downhill
• Milage is higher than it has ever been
• Paces have been faster

Listeners love to hear about mileage, what is your mileage at right now?

• 118 right now, will be 130 at peak
• This 118 is about what the peak was going into NYC

Besides the training, is there anything different in your other preparation to get ready for Boston?

• Yes, told Ben I would do things right
• Usually don't eat right, core, prehab, rehab, naps, trying to focus on that stuff more

When you were training for NYC you were training with Steph Bruce, she is doing London this time so are you still training with her or are you doing different workouts?

• We do some stuff together, but we are doing a lot of different workouts

Ben, is this something that was strategic or do you let them decide what marathons they are doing and just guide them?

• Kellyn handles downhills and miles well so Boston made sense
• Steph has run Boston once before and did not go great so she does not have great mojo there. She is more of a finding a good pace and locking in so London made more sense

You and Scott Smith were up in Boston and run parts of the course, what were your thoughts?

• Valuable experience
• Didn't realize how downhill it was
• Got to do every mile of the course at least once, huge advantage
• Now know what to train for specifically

You and Scott have done three of the same races so far, does it help having Scott Smith there to do the workouts with someone?

• Helps a lot
• Nice to have someone to talk to about the workouts

What is a hard workout you have done recently?

• Recently had 3 races back to back and those were hard
• 30x400 with the wind in the face on hills was tough
• (Ben) Our long runs have spice which they don't often think of as workouts, the first day of 8-week we did a 22-mile hilly long run that was difficult up and down. First Boston specific run. Ran 6:20 pace for 22 miles at 4500 feet.

Do you like running hills or would you rather have a flat course?

• Not as fast as some women, not a 2:19 marathoner yet
• Hills help even playing field
• Built to handle them well
• I do like them

You have done quite a few marathons and have experience, Jonathan from Twitter asked what your diet is like leading into the race?

• Going into NYC for the last two weeks took dairy out and eats gluten-free
• Meat, veggie, and rice are staples.

Ben: Going back to the Boston question, seeing it helps the athlete to see it and helps me to sculpt the workouts better. We are doing these hills not to survive Boston but to thrive on the Boston course.

If you are doing 110 miles a week, how much of that is specifically downhill so you can get used to it?

• 4 easy runs a week
• Maybe 40-45 miles of the 110 would be downhill

Another question we got was about easy runs, what does an easy run look like?

• 10 miles in the am and 4-6 in the afternoon
• More of a general feeling than a pace
• Pace on these runs do not make or break your training

What are your goals for Boston?

• Always have specific goals
• I make big goals
• Going to Boston my A goal is to be top-3 and on the podium

Ben, can you talk about what is going on with the 10-weeks to Boston blog at this time?

• Had written plans for public
• Each week I talk about what Scott and Kellyn are doing and what to expect in the next week
• All the tips I can think of to get you ready for the Boston Course

Kellyn what Hoka's are you using for training and

Resources

Kellyn on Twitter Ben on Twitter Final Surge on Twitter NAZ Elite Logs Coach Ben's 10-weeks to Boston

Welcome to episode 77 of the Final Surge podcast where we talk to coach Steve Palladino on Power meters for runners. Back in episode 61 we addressed power with Jim Vance, today we take another look at it and dive deeper into the numbers and success stories. If you want to get even more information make sure you check out Steve's power Facebook group which you can find in the show notes.

Can you tell us about your background and how you got involved in running

• Ran in middle/high school (4:27 mile)
• Ran in Jr College then U California David
• Post-collegiate ran 2:16 at Boston in 1979 and ran for Adidas
• Then became podiatrist
• Started running again late 30's
• In 40's started competitive cycling and was an early adapter to power meters for bikes

A lot of questions still on power for running, why are you such a fan of running with power?

• Power is an output, closest measure of what is going on metabolically to produce our movement
• Power will show similar effort on track, on roads or even on a dirt hilly trail
• Can take a workout easily off the track with power and will get same workout effects

You mentioned perceived exertion. Alex Hutchinson did a piece recently in Outside Magazine that I thought was very fair taking a look at some of the issues he has with power for running. I have been using a Stryd power meter myself recently and have become a fan, but he has some good points. So why do we need a power meter when we have RPE?

• Power calibrates RPE and RPE modulates power.
• There are days when your RPE are a little off and power will help you recalibrate RPE on those days.
• They fine-tune each other

If you look at Galen Rupp or Alan Webb or Kellyn Taylor these are professional runners who are having a lot of success in their sport and not needing power, so what does this really solve, what is missing?

• Coaches have had success and a lot is on the track so when on track pace works well
• Power you can take it off the track onto a trail or road and do similar workout
• Elites just have not identified it yet and it is starting to make some inroads
• Just like cycling started out as a fringe thing, now all elites use it

With triathlons I can see coming off the bike your legs are tired and running with power may be able to inform how you are feeling. But for someone who is just running an open 10k on fresh legs is power that important?

• Triathletes will benefit from the data, but variable is what type of power can you produce after a bike ride
• Fresh 10k power can be very beneficial for pacing and to keep you where you need to be for a whole race
• Elites are racing athletes where age groupers are more racing for a time so different benefits

We recently added your power Zones to our Final surge platform, Can you talk about how you use zones?

• Added more than Stryd has
• Looked at a lot of races so has been able to adjust and finer tune power zones
• Upper-end zones have more than other systems based on race ranges and information

To get your zones you need FTP or your functional threshold power, how do you get that base number?

• There are several ways to estimate
• Critical Power Test - 3 minute and 9-minute test
• Recent 5k-10k race
• Comes out to about lactate threshold power

A key number is running that you like to focus on is running effectiveness, and I know this is something we are looking at adding to our system, what is running effectiveness?

• How effective you are at converting power to speed
• Important metric

Let's give an example of how this can change. Let's say you have a runner who's running FTP is 350 at 8:00 pace and you train for a few weeks and now you get an FTP of 350 but at 7:45 pace, does that mean the running effectiveness has changed?

• Yes, getting more speed at same power
• Slow moving metric, but can get improvement

What can I do to improve my running effectiveness?

• Somethings we know and some are still unknown
• Leg Spring Stiffness - by weight training/plyos/hills
• Form issues can be improved, horizontal power issues
• Improve running economy

You mentioned running spring stiffness and vertical oscillation, and there are a lot of numbers that power looks at. So I finish a run and log in to look at my Stryd numbers? What should I be really tracking and looking at? Is it my Run Stress Score, or running effectiveness or leg stiffness or what do I need to focus on?

• Don't want paralysis by analysis
• Look at power and power to weight
• Running effectiveness
• Leg Spring Stiffness
• Horizontal Power
• Those are the main ones, others are secondary and help break down the above primary numbers

If someone is looking at this and wants to try it, most plans they are following on the internet are not power plans. How can they look at a workout and modify it for power?

• If you know your power zones and reference them can translate
• Turn distances into durations
• Easier to take those off track and onto other surfaces

You mentioned coaching high school athletes and that you have been using power with your high school kids, can you talk about how that has been going with them?

• Not every kid, but one from each group of similar ability
• Training load can be monitored easier to make sure stays where it needs to be

You have trained some athletes to amazing big PR stories using power. Can you tell us about one or two of those as a demonstration of how power really helped?

How can things like snow effect power?

• Power doesn't change but running effectiveness/pace changes

Where do you think this goes from here? What needs to happen for it to make a big breakthrough like power for bikes have?

• Seeing success over and over
• So many metrics need to focus on simplification
• Success stories getting shared

Final Surge 5 questions in under a minute Favorite endurance/running book? - Lore of Running Current trainers you are wearing? - Hoka Stinson Favorite race? - Boston Marathon Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? - Burrito Your favorite workout - Long Run with spice

Pallidino Power Project Facebook Group

Welcome to episode 76 of the Final Surge Podcast where we welcome Chi Running founder Danny Dreyer. Danny is a competitive ultra runner who found a better way to move when he started doing Tai Chi. Danny wrote the book Chi Running which is hugely successful and we talk about his journey into Chi Running. Final Surge has started offering Chi Running Plans and you can check them out under our training plans section at FinalSurge.com

How did you get started in running?

• Grew Up in Boulder and started in 1971
• Decided to do an ultra, trained over 3 years
• Ran man ultra races
• Moved to San Fran started learning Tai Chi

What was it you learned about Tai Chi that you decided this could help with running

• Moved with body around central axis
• Arms and legs got in sync with each other
• Watched those who passed during races and they had relaxed forward leans
• Move from center

If you were speaking to everyday runners what the biggest difference is between what they are doing and Chi Running, what would it be?

• You lose structure/posture and muscles work harder
• Be smart, forward fall

You started off the answer talking about posture, paint a picture for us, what is good posture?

• Stand up aligned tall
• Shoulders over pelvis and pelvis over ankles

Many specialists say power should come from your glutes, do you think what an everyday runner does is different than elite runners?

• Should not be using glutes or legs for power
• Use gravity
• Western runners are too upright and reach and pull
• Kenyans have a forward fall
• Use glutes only proportionately
• Uses every muscle in body in proportion to size
• Look at running injuries, most are from knee down
• Need to use core more

There are three phases of the stance you talk about, can you explain those?

• Propulsion is where body ahead of feet falling forward
• Just pick up feet to keep up with body
• Mid-stride is the flight phase where you leave the ground
• Landing phase is the biggest deal
• Don't want to reach leg out as impact is coming
• Injuries are usually too much impact or overuse
• When land foot under knee or behind it
• Tai Chi relies on opponent to defeat themselves, here

Do you make wholesale changes all at once or is it in phases?

• Every focus will help, but you learn them one at a time
• Need to practice a lot, technique drills

The original book came out in 2004, how has the program changed since then?

• Has exploded to the point where we have over 200 instructors
• More aware of the program

One thing you talk about is race-specific training, how what is race-specific training in terms of Chi?

• Need to learn how a course will have an impact on you and train to the course
• Find out what is on the course, where it is on the course and train to the course
• Have practiced the course so you know what it feels like and how you need to change your strategy

This week we started offering your training plans on Final Surge, can you tell us what to expect in those?

• Everything divided into phases
• Technique early
• Move into conditioning phase
• Learn how to fuel on long runs
• 5k, 10k, 1/2 and full marathon

Final Surge 5 questions in under a minute

Favorite endurance/running book? - Gordon Perry Run Fast and Injury Free Current trainers you are wearing? - Altra Lone Peak Favorite race? - Headlands 50k Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? - Cocoa Tropic Your favorite workout - Hill Intervals on trails

Resources

Chi Running Training Plans

Chi Running Website

Welcome to episode 75 of the Final Surge Podcast where we welcome back Dr. Jay Dicharry. Jay is the author of a must-have book for any coach, Anatomy for Runners. Jay has a follow-up book he has just released called Running Rewired. We have all heard of the book Born to Run, but are we born to run or is it something that we adapt to over time. Jay discusses that as well as how deliberate practice can make you more efficient. Make sure you check out Jay's book Running Rewired which you can find on his website An Athlete's Body.

We had you on episode 49 of the Final Surge podcast so welcome back. On episode 49 we talked a lot about your book must own book Anatomy For Runners. You have a new book out called Running Rewired. I am more of a wi-fi guy so what do you mean about runners getting rewired?

• Get past running requires amazing flexibility or strength
• How your nervous system impacts how you move

If someone read your book Anatomy for Runners, why should they read this too, what would they get Running Rewired too?

• Anatomy for Runners fits into a space with more scientific background
• Was for intelligent and in the know runners and coaches
• Was good for clinicians
• Rewired more for everyday runner
• Rewired from ground zero to increase capacity

Are we naturally wired to run, like if I took a 4-year-old and said run, are they wired correctly or do we need to learn it?

• Young kids learn to play and are more dynamic
• Problem not sitting, but that we do one thing all the time then expect to move differently when we put on our shoes
• We are not born to run, we adapt to run
• Takes cultivating of how we move

You talk about deliberate practice in the book. How do we know if we need to work on getting rewired and if we do how do we know we are doing the right things to get there?

• Not about volume of practice
• Practice has two types specific and deliberate
  • Specific putting on shoes and doing more of it
  • Deliberate says these are the skills you need, let's refine them with a plan
• Not about running more, but running with quality
• Everyone I have ever seen needs more deliberate practice

You mentioned everyone needs to get better, so how do we know what we need to work on?

• Roadblocks in books that test you
• Some motions will be less skilled at

In episode 49 we dug into your clinic and your clients. In your clinic, you don't have just elite runners, but you have many average age group runners coming in. So you see a wide variety of situations. With seeing so many people over the years are there certain things you see usually see that you can quickly narrow it down to what the issues are without even seeing the athlete. So like if a runner came in and said I have shin splints or i have pain on the outside of my knee probably from IT band, could you give them 1-2 things to work on or is it too specific to each person?

• I have a lot of lab data that identifies what causes overuse injuries, usually a few paths

If I took 5 mid pack runners and 5 elite runners and did a video on them, could you tell just by their gate which were the elites? And if so what about the gate is different?

• Elites are blessed with great genes from their parents
• As far as form can be both
• Yes form matters, but capacity important too

One thing you talk about in the book was core exercise. If I do a lot of planks, L-ups, V-ups and those type of core exercise can you explain why they may not be the best?

• Running is dynamic and not static
• Holding the body stable like a plank does not help much
• Get people moving in positions that challenge without putting stress on joints
• Spend more time doing more dynamic movements for core
• Coaches your core routines are killing your runners
• Building skills as body twists while running

What does training core with rotation look like?

• Lay on back with knees and legs up like sitting in chair, grab med ball and hold up
• Rotation is important while running, twisting forces

If a runner or coach said this was all great information, but I have 15-20 minutes to spend with my team before they start running, what should we focus on, how would you guide them on the biggest bang for the buck?

• Skills and performance workouts in book
• Skills building muscle memory, lots of bang for buck to rewire central nervous system
• Identify roadblocks with tests then fix the ones that need working on

One of the things you talked about in the book was pelvis tilt and correcting it by using the stomach muscles to pull up on the front of the pelvis, this is how I was taught so can you talk about why this is wrong and what people should be doing for pelvis tilt?

• Shortens step
• Can analogy for strength
• If lose core position crumbles can

One issue that gets talked about is knee dominate vs hip dominant or pushing vs pulling, what does this look like for a runner?

• Can look at squatting patterns, squat knee forward position overstride
• To quad dominant
• Overstride pushes loads and increases stress per stride
• Want to move to hip or glute dominant

Running Rewired An Athletes Body

Welcome to episode 74 of the Final Surge Podcast where we welcome back Hoka NAZ Elite Coach Ben Rosario who talks about what he has planned for the Boston Marathon. Ben has two elite runners, Kellyn Taylor and Scott Smith who will be competing in Boston. We are just over 10-weeks out from Boston and Ben is offering three new training plans that are specific to the Boston Marathon. These three plans are tailored to the level of runner you are. In addition to the training plans Ben will have a weekly blog post which talks about exactly how to execute the training plans for the upcoming week. Make sure you check out his plans on FinalSurge.com/10weekstoboston and follow along with his professional athletes as they prepare for the unique course that is Boston.

You have two runners joining the great American field at the 2018 Boston Marathon, want to talk about them?

• Kellyn Taylor off a top 10 finish in New York City
• Scott Smith coming off a 2:12 PR in Frankfurt

With Boston you never know what the weather will be like, could be 40 and raining or 75 and sunny, but if the weather is not a factor Boston can be a fast course so is the intention to run a PR at Boston?

• Net elevation drop can be fast
• Course-specific work for the downhill
• Although it is about racing more than time

If you look at the field, especially the women's side, it is an incredibly deep field. Was the goal for Kellyn to always run Boston?

• At first, she wasn't sure if she wanted to do a spring marathon
• Once she decided she wanted to do a marathon, Boston was her choice
• She is ready to handle the course as well as the level of competition

You make your logs available for all your athletes. But for Boston, you are going a step further with 10-weeks To Boston.

• This is a plan for the last 10-weeks heading into Boston
• Specifically prepared for being ready for that course
• Hills to match the up and down of Boston
• Train like the pros with three plans that are variations of what Kellyn and Scott are doing
• Super advanced (120 miles a week), Advanced (75-100 miles a week), Intermediate (50-75 miles a week plan)

You have other plans available for the marathon too, how do these differ from those plans?

• We have 5 other marathon plans on Final Surge, but these are based on what our athletes are doing specifically for the Boston course

Can you tell us about the blogging you have planned for these 10 weeks?

• Will be doing a weekly blog talking about what Scott and Kellyn are doing and how their training is going and second will be talking about the upcoming week, how to execute the workouts on your plan for this week and it will be like you are training with the pros

You have 10 weeks before Boston, what do some of the staple workouts look like during that time?

• Each week they get closer to specific
• Start out mile and a half at marathon pace and gets long specific work as gets closer to race
• 6 weeks out gets harder with tempos and hills
• Weekends alternate long runs and longer marathon pace work

You have a document you include with your plans that talk about your terminology. Can you explain how you use the CV workouts in your plan?

• This is 30-40 minute race pace
• Faster than marathon pace, but not going to really hammer you
• Because running so many miles in marathon training gives you some faster work without jeopardizing training

When you get to your long runs are most of them steady or are you working quality into your long runs?

• Every other week
• Some carb depleted steady runs
• Some race pace specific work into your long runs

There is a lot of specific work to Boston so runners who have never run Boston can be prepared. This weekly blog is going to be able to help a lot of athletes. We want to get on again before Boston to talk about this training some more.

Welcome to episode 73 of the Final Surge Podcast. We have had some great runners on this podcast. Neely Spence Gracey, Nick Willis, Nick Symmonds, Dathan Ritzehein, Kim Conley and more, but maybe none has had a bigger influence on the running scene, especially the American running scene like today's guest. Today we welcome American mile record holder, Alan Webb. Alan retired from running in 2014 and has not been seen much around the running community since then, but that is about to change. Alan is part of a group starting a new coaching service called RunDoyen. We talk to Alan about the goals of the business and how you or anyone else can get personalized coaching from him and other professional runners. We also spend a little time talking about his training and the state of American middle distance running. Please remember to share this podcast on social media.

Before we get to some questions about your career, let's find out what you have been up to for the last three years. How is the truck repair business?

• Business has been great

There is a new site and Twitter account popping up called RunDoyen. It has listed yourself, Tara Welling, Ryan Vail, Aaron Braun, Jessica Tonn and more. A tweet said you are launching a new concept that reinvents the way the running community connects. Can you tell us what this project is?

• Coaching site, schedule time with one of the coaches
• Video chat
• Final Surge training logs
• Message board system
• Access to professional runners

Will it be a monthly membership service?

• Purchase Time
• Purchase Training Plans
• No monthly fee, packages that are over the course of a training block

What type of training plans are you offering?

• Mile to marathon
• Not limiting to one distance, offering variety

If someone is interested in working with you in a mile program, what is the timeframe?

• Customized to individual
• Would prefer more time 2-3-6 months to develop
• Looking to build relationships long-term

What was it about this idea that got you excited to get involved in it?

• Easy to use packaged online system
• Can help people around world to work with different people

What else can people expect?

• Drills, strength training, other things integrated into the training plan
• Communication between athlete and coach on daily basis
• Athlete tells us what is going on so we can make adjustments

What type of feedback are you looking for with communications from your clients?

• What actually got done
• How you are feeling, how run went
• Any questions they have for the coaches
• Video appointments for communications too

Are nutrition and physical therapist you have listed on site included?

• Different packages
• Can schedule time with other specialists

These are well-known professionals, what type of client you will be working with?

• We are all looking for variety
• More geared towards non-professionals
• People looking to improve

We know your work ethic and how hard you hit it on your workout days. What is your coaching philosophy?

• There are times you need to hit it hard, but also time for recovery
• Recovery balance is important
• Recovery helps keep you healthy

Will you personally be working with someone who wants to run a longer distance like a marathon?

• Yes, looking forward to it

When you ran you were known as someone who liked to hit the weight room and hit workouts hard. Was that something specific to Alan Webb or would you incorporate this into your athletes you are working with too?

• That was specific to me
• More important for me as a miler than a marathon runner
• Strength training is important, but specific to athlete
• Amount/intensity needs to adjust to event/athlete

We had Jonathan Marcus on recently and talked about some of your workouts, will be dusting off your training logs to bring some of those back?

• Some of it for sure
• Will be adapted to the athlete/event
• Some of the basic workouts are great, fun, tough

One of the workouts was a shorter 100's do you remember what your paces were?

• 400-800 goal race pace
• Really fast going hard
• Hardened to faster pace to take edge off the mile

Do you have all your old running logs?

• Lost some, but have many of them
• A few high school years have a few lost
• Have quite a bit

It has been three years since you retired if you could paint a picture of what that time has looked like?

• Tore ALC so personal running has taken a dive
• 2 and 5 year old are handfuls, but going great
• Wife Julia getting ready to run her first marathon

Do you have any running goals for the future?

• Would love to run a marathon
• Would be just to get through it
• Nick Symmonds is my inspiration
• Have to get ACL fixed first

You are arguably the greatest US middle distance runner of all time. So when you looked at retiring, why truck repair?

• Good growth market
• Enjoyed learning a new skill and been fun

I want to ask you about the mile. When Steve Scott set it, it stood for 25 years before you broke it in 2007. And now it has been another decade and no one has touched it. Why do you think this has been so hard to break?

• It is a fast time
• Have to be on and everything go right
• To stay at the level is difficult, tough to get there

You ran 3:46, that is a well respected time. Is American middle distance running progressing the way it should be?

• Yes, we are progressing the right direction
• We are getting medals in major championship races
• We are seeing on a consistent basis success in big races
• Big pipeline coming up
• High School runners are now breaking 4 minutes on a regular basis

What do you think has been the biggest reason for the resurgence?

• Internet makes it easier to be a track fan

What advice do you have for young high school runners?

• Persevere and don't worry about people running faster
• Different runners develop at different ages

You had times in your career that you were plagued by injuries. Looking back at it now is there anything you think you would have done differently?

• Would have added in more recovery
• Would have been a little more conservative in workouts
• Better perspective

Final Surge 5 questions in under a minute Favorite endurance/running book? - Perfect Mile Current trainers you are wearing? - Nike Structure Triax Favorite race? - American Mile Record Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? - Spaghetti Your favorite workout - 800's, 8x800

Resources RunDoyen on Twitter RunDoyen Website Alan Webb on Twitter Alan Webb American record mile race

Welcome to episode 72 of the Final Surge podcast where today we welcome runner and coach Jacob Puzey. Jacob and I have a great conversation about his early running career and how those experiences and the coaches he worked with influenced who he is today and how he coaches. Jacob was the top Canadian male in Boston in 2017, is the 2016 and 2017 Canadian Road 50K National Champion and has a great coaching resume. Jacob's business Peak Run Performance is teaming up with Final Surge in the coming weeks to offer new coaching services in several languages, so watch out for that.

Could you give our listeners your background on how you started running back in the day?

• Middle school basketball player
• Did not come naturally had to work at it
• 10th grade started running year round

How did the high school career and running career after high school go?

• Qualified for Oregon XC State Meet as a senior
• Tough Oregon high school area
• Ran against a lot of future D1 college runners
• Ran for a Junior College who was defending national JC champion
• 2 National Championships for JC

When did you make the transition into coaching?

• Took 2 years off after junior college
• Started training for marathon
• Developed a love for it again
• Went back to finish college and did some youth coaching at middle school and high school

You have coached high school runners and ultra runners. What are the foundational principles you take in your coaching philosophy that would be applicable to all runners?

• Stamina, speed strength, need to work on all of them
• Nutrition and skills would be emphasized by event

I know from your bio you took over some high school programs that did not have a history of success and you created state championship programs. What did you do to turn around and build those programs?

• Did not try to make wholesale changes
• Go in and listen and learn about cultures of team
• Winning traditions in other sports so was easier
• Get them to buy into potential in that sport
• Competed against the great teams

All coaches have influences that have an impact on them as coaches. Who are some of the influences who have impacted your coaching philosophy?

• Middle school, high school coaches, college coaches
• Learned different training philosophies from hs/college coaches
• Greg McMillian, Joe Vigil

What does the typical athlete you are coaching these days look like, what is their experience level and distances they are training for?

• From Millenials waiting tables to executive empty nesters
• All distances
• Coached people who raced on all 7 continents last year

You are going to be releasing some coaching very soon on Final Surge, how is it you ended up on Final Surge as your coaching platform?

• While living in Flagstaff ran with some NAZ Elite Guys
• Heard about NAZ Blogs
• Worked for Greg McMillian
• Did not look at it until was ready to launch something
• Liked easy syncs
• Right vision behind company

((((30))))What can people expect to find in your packages?

• Multiple languages
• Speak the same language as athlete
• Every coach speaks at least two languages
• Tailored training plans and 1-0n-1 coaching

How many coaches do you have?

• 4 with a nutritionist
• Coaches have experience in several countries to understand unique differences

You have 4 coaches that work on your team, what events do you focus on?

• All surfaces, all distances, all disciplines
• Road and trails
• Stage races
• Tailor training to person

There are many tools runners use. GPS watches, heart rate monitors, HRV readings, Power Meters. What type of technology do you use?

• All of it and as little as possible
• Trail and ultra a lot of metrics thrown out the window
• Run by feel
• Like that they are available in Final Surge

You have a lot of running accomplishments, you were the top Canadian male in Boston this year and a lot of success in Ultras. One of your accomplishments is the 50-mile treadmill record you set. When I saw the video this was the first time I had heard of you. How hard was that to run on a treadmill for 5 hours?

• Was easier than thought
• Started just below world record pace but found himself going faster
• Was originally thinking of going for 50k record
• Didn't expect it to be an hour quicker

Do you use a treadmill often?

• Yes, in Calgary it is cold
• Wear microspikes 4-6 months a year when outside
• Boston training did a lot of treadmill miles
• When need good footing will use treadmill when cold

You ran the TransRockies with your brother, for those who do not know what the TransRockies is can you tell them and what it was like doing with your brother?

• 6 Day stage race
• 8500-12k feet elevation
• If run at team you all need to be within 2-minutes of each other

Final Surge 5 questions in under a minute Favorite endurance/running book? - Once a Runner Current trainers you are wearing? - Altra Paradigm Favorite race? - 50k-50miles (3-6 hours) Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? - Steak, salted chocolate covered almonds Your favorite workout - Georgetown 400's

Resources

PeakRunPerformance.com Instagram PeakRunPerformance Twitter @teampeakrun Twitter @JacobPuzey