Finding fairhealth podcast

David Buck talks to us about how much of a privilege he finds his role at The Kings Fund. It really was an absolutely pleasure and a privilege to be able to speak to him for our podcast.

David has had such an interesting career, starting at The Centre for Health Economics in York, moving into The Department of Health and then on to The Kings Fund developing an ever greater interest in reducing health inequalities as he goes. He shares with us how much he values being able to get different perspectives from lots of different sectors and how The Kings Fund works hard to try to do this. He also tells us what he is up to at The Kings Fund, particularly talking about their vision for population health. He explains to us what this vision means theoretically but also what this looks like in reality and how it has been received and used locally since it was released. We also talk prevention, legislation and finance with the recent release of The Prevention Green Paper and he gives me an insight into where The Kings Fund sits in all of this. David talks honestly about how to avoid publications being poorly received and also what makes him lose sleep at night. As always on the the podcast we finish with David’s one big wish for tackling health inequalities.

I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I enjoyed speaking to David.

David’s best book

The Great Escape by Angus Deaton

Watch out for his Christmas tweet with his favourite books of the year too.

Further reading

The Kings Fund Vision for population health

The Government’s Grand ageing strategy

Lessons from the Wigan deal

Michael Marmot’s- Fair society, healthy lives

CIPFA – Action on prevention

Anchor institutions

Greg Fell’s Blog

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I could have talked to Chris Bentley all day when we met up to about health inequalities. He has so much to say on the topic and I feel we only really just got started. It was so evident from our discussion that he has made it his life work to try and reduce health inequalities at a population level. I really enjoyed our chat out at his home in the rural peak district. If you listen carefully you can even hear the birds at one point.

Chris tells us why he likens talking about health inequalities to saying grace. He gives us an overview on what has being going on nationally to tackle health inequalities. He also discusses an intervention he came up with called the population intervention triangle which looks at how services, community and civic based interventions interact around place-based approaches. We discuss in more detail an aspect of this triangle of how services and community can work better together. One example of this being primary care networks. We discussed how he almost prefers the word mitigation when talking about prevention and we talk about realistic ways of achieving population health and the barriers that stand in our way in achieving this. Chris also gives me his favourite outcome measure that he uses to look at levels of health inequality. We touch on so many topics including leadership, fragmentation, variability and making a business case for tackling health inequalities. He feels adamantly that you can hit front line objectives while making a population health impact. If you like thinking about big picture stuff this is the episode for you.

find out more about chris

Chris’s Best Book

Factfulness by Hans Rosling

Further reading

You can find the Population Intervention Triangle, Labonte’s Prevention framework and the POTS framework that Chris mentions in the PHE document that Chris produced – Reducing Health inequalities: System, Scale and Sustainability This is a good read in itself. Lots of tips and tools which can be used to look at populations too.

The recently published document that Chris mentioned on place based approaches can be found here.

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Finding fairhealth through thinking outside the box

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Finding fairhealth through working at the Deep end

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Finding fairhealth through education

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I find that the problems and solutions to tackling health inequalities feels challenging. I often feel like I don’t know enough or have the confidence to speak up. The magnitude and complexity of the problem makes it difficult to know where to start. Sometimes what feels like the right answer can often feel political, complicated and impossible. I’ll be speaking to experienced colleagues who are also interested in and currently working on reducing health inequalities. We’ll be speaking about the current problems and possible solutions in this area on our journey to finding fairhealth.

Rachel Steen, fairhealth

Music- CC-BY 4.0- Scott Buckley, Rainbows

Podcast editing support in early episodes - Becky Wood, Digital media production student at Sheffield Hallam University

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