In this conversation, Chazmith and Vanessa explore the intricate relationship between joy and grief. Vanessa shares her insights on how joy can be a simple yet profound experience, especially during times of grief. They discuss the importance of allowing oneself to feel both joy and grief simultaneously, emphasizing that these emotions can coexist. Vanessa highlights the need to build safety with emotions and sensations, encouraging listeners to recognize and allow their feelings without judgment. The conversation concludes with a reminder that joy is an essential part of the healing process, and it can be accessed even amidst challenges.

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