It’s Busy’s birthday week and…she might not be feeling it this year? But, her light team did perhaps lead her to discover something intriguing about her family history. And Caissie describes how she did herself a great deal of harm by making a bad decision while wearing extremely wide-legged jeans. PLUS, they’re joined by Sierra Teller Ornelas, a TV writer who has worked on a bunch of exceptionally good shows and is now the co-creator & showrunner of the wonderful “Rutherford Falls” on Peacock! Sierra’s got a pivot story that reminds us how we sometimes have to take a big swing and bet on ourselves.

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