Avery Pennarun of Tailscale and much more, blows the minds of Doc Searls and Aaron Newcomb on a can't-miss show that explains how the best development is all "chickens and eggs." Pennarun explains thatfree software and open source is the gifting nature of the former, and how startups succeed and fail at crossing chasms. All while touching on so much more that we now have a Part 2 of the discussion planned.

Hosts: Doc Searls and Aaron Newcomb

Guest: Avery Pennarun

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