In a recent interview former AATIP Director Luis Elizondo stated "We ask the question is this something from if it's not from here must be from outer space. Well that's not necessarily so. There's a lot of other options that we need to consider."

In this interview we look at the connection of out of body experiences to the UFO mystery. Are UFOs as physical as we have always assumed? Sinead Whelehan and I interview UK experiencer Gerard Pratt as he talks about, OBEs, UFO encounters and flying the UFO. The interview leaves us with many new clues as to what might really be going on. The craft part is 23 minutes in.

The video YouTube version of this interview is at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFfG-d7sWzc

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