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Following the Fire episodes
- 53: Cursed?: What to do with the curses in Genesis 3
Cursed?: What to do with the curses in Genesis 3
When Adam and Eve ate the fruit in the Garden of Eden, God laid down several curses. For the serpent, the woman, and the man. But what do we DO with these curses? Are we supposed to perpetuate the ideas behind them, or move away from them? What’s this story teaching us, anyway? We also discuss the sad state of gun violence in the USA. We wish we had the answers.
Gun Violence in America
- Article: “America's gun culture - in seven charts”
- FBI Crime Statistics
- Book: “When Thoughts and Prayers Are Not Enough” by Taylor Schumann
- Podcast: The Holy Post
The Curses of Genesis 3
- Genesis 3
- Nathan’s permaculture method: Hügelkultur
- Celtic Christianity
- Book: “Sacred Earth Sacred Soul” by John Philip Newell
- Star Wars character: Darth Plagueis
- 4th-5th c. Monk: Pelagius
- Original sin
- Gnosticism
- Book: “The Divine Conspiracy” by Dallas Willard
- Pyramid Texts
- Book: “Do I Stay Christian?” By Brian McLaren
- Terry Pratchett Books
- Show: “The Handmaid’s Tale”
- Book: “The Handmaid’s Tale”
- Show: “Brooklyn Nine-Nine”
- Show: “Our Flag Means Death”
- Next book club book: “Love Matters More” by Jared Byas
Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
- Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp
- Follow his Instagram
- And listen on Spotify
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1 hr 17 min - 52: “Do I Stay Christian?” with the author, Brian McLaren
We had a fantastic time hanging out with Brian McLaren to talk about his new book, "Do I Stay Christian?" – the follow-up to his book "Faith After Doubt". The book first answers with "No" then "Yes" and then discusses "How" we should live, regardless of the way we answer that question. It's a brave, humbling, and important book. READ IT!
- Book: “Do I Stay Christian?” by Brian McLaren
- Website: www.brianmclaren.net
- Book: “Faith After Doubt” by Brian McLaren
- “By their fruits you shall know them…” - Matthew 7:15-20
- The Reformation
- Council of Trent
- John Philip Newell
- Video: Presentation Steve attended by John Philip Newell
- Richard Rohr
- Center for Action and Contemplation
- Black-Owned Book Stores in the United States
Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
- Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp
- Follow his Instagram
- And listen on Spotify
Special Guest: Brian McLaren.
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51 min - 51: Zoomers: Faith and deconstruction from the Gen Z perspective
Generation Z may just be the people who save us all (but only if they want to). Steve & Nathan talk to Steve's kids, Hannah and Noah, to discuss their views of faith and how their parents' deconstruction has changed things for them. Includes a bonus Gen Z slang lesson you won't want to miss!
- What's in the show is in the show
- England doesn't exist
- Nobody lives in New Mexico
- TikTok: @chrispaulrainbows
- Ladybird Fancypants
- Beat Saber
- Minecraft
- Massivecraft
- Destiny
- Apex Legends
- Terraria
- MIT Scratch Visual Programming
- Generation Z
- Generation X
- Boomers
- Millenials
- September 11 Attacks
- Challenger Explosion
- COVID-19 Pandemic
- Wicca
- Comic: “Someone is wrong on the internet”
- Discord
- Parasocial Relationships
- YouTuber - Dream
- Good Mythical Morning
- YouTuber - Jack Septic Eye
- Gen Z Slang
Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
- Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp
- Follow his Instagram
- And listen on Spotify
Special Guests: Hannah Martin and Noah Martin.
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1 hr 27 min - 50: Book Club: “Flying, Falling, Catching” - by Henri Nouwen & Carolyn Whitney-Brown
During the last five years of his life, best-selling spiritual writer Henri Nouwen became close to a traveling circus trapeze troupe, The Flying Rodleighs. He passed away before he could write the book about the spiritual lessons of his time with them, so his friend, Carolyn Whitney-Brown, picked up the pieces and completed “Flying, Falling, Catching”. In this episode we got to spend time with Carolyn talking about Henri, the book, and lessons we can all learn about the spiritual journey from an unlikely source: trapeze artists.
- Book: “Flying, Falling, Catching”
- Henry Nouwen
- Carolyn Whitney-Brown
- YouTube channel for the book
- United Church of Canada
- Intervarsity Christian Fellowship
- L’arche USA
- Video: The Flying Rodleighs performing
Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
- Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp
- Follow his Instagram
- And listen on Spotify
Special Guest: Carolyn Whitney-Brown.
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54 min - 49: Stardust: How "ultimate values" shed light on a faith community, and why trust is better than belief
Confusing informational trust with relational trust can lead to all kinds of trouble. Steve and Nathan talk about how seeing the cracks and seams in the bible can deal a blow to our faith, or how it can change it for the better. Is there more to the Bible than Biblical Scholarship and data? Is there more to the stars than atoms and molecules?
- Rocks have been tumbled, results were underwhelming.
- Steve is TikTok Famous
- Nathan would not deal well with fame
- Welcome @Maklelan fans!
- Nathan doesn't understand Geopolitics
- Steve thinking about money, recruiters gives Nathan an idea
- It's not personal, it's business:
- Looking for ultimate values in faith groups is revealing.
- Nathan continues contra-certainty crusade
- Idolatry
An idol is usually a good thing that we make ultimate. We say, "Unless I have that, I am nothing."
— Timothy Keller (@timkellernyc) February 16, 2014- Book: The Sin of Certainty by Peter Enns
Trust vs. Certainty- Hebrews 11:1
- Data over Dogma
- Buddhism
- Discovery of disease spread though water
- What stars are made of
- Materialism
- Catholic Bible different from Protestant Bible
- All scripture is useful for…
- If I know all things but have not love….
- Jesus rebukes biblical scholars for getting priorities wrong: Matthew 23:23-24
- Canonization
- Common Book of Prayer
- Book: Faith After Doubt by Brian McLaren
- Greatest Command: Matthew 3:36-40
- Possible geographic errors in Mark?
- Genitive vs. Dative
- Morocco mosque
- Phil 2:6-11
- Video: Raiders of the Lost ark
Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
- Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp
- Follow his Instagram
- And listen on Spotify
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1 hr 15 min - 48: Disentangling: Talking with Kate Boyd about the process deconstruction
Blogger, speaker, and podcaster Kate Boyd joins us to discuss the process of deconstruction, how to approach it, and the importance of not doing it alone.
- Find all of Kate's info here: KateBoyd.co
- Wesleyan Quadrilateral
- Film: "Shadowlands"
Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
- Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp
- Follow his Instagram
- And listen on Spotify
Special Guest: Kate Boyd.
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54 min - Trans-Christian: A conversation with Natalie Drew about following God as a trans woman (Rebroadcast for Transgender Day of Visibility)
This is a rebroadcast for Transgender Day of Visibility. We got to talk with Natalie Drew – a devout Christian, pacifist, and kind of a theology nerd who also happens to be a trans woman. She shares her story with us of struggling with life before beginning her transition after having a wife and 2 kids, how her marriage weathered the storm, and she gives some great advice to other LGBTQ people in the church, as well as for the rest of the church. I do want to let you know that suicide does come up a few times in this episode.
- Natalie Drew: Twitter - @natdrew79
- Book: “Jesus the Gentle Parent”
- Raw Tools
- “Deadnaming”
- Gender Dysphoria
- Gender Identity
- Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” 2 Corinthians 12:6-9
- Naked Pastor cartoons
- “The Most Sincere Prayer”
- Open Theism
- Greg Boyd
- Book:“Crucifixion of the Warrior God” by Greg Boyd
- Merism
- Natalie’s Blog
- Hebrews 1:3
- 1 Samuel 8
- Sacrificial love of Christ - Philippians 2:5-11
- Heather’s Twitter (Natalie’s wife): @heatherdrew
- Cisgender
- Documentary: “Disclosure”
- Bridget Eileen Rivera
- Austen Heartke
- Biblical love: 1 Corinthians 13
Special Guest: Natalie Drew.
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1 hr 32 min - Book Club Announcement - "Flying, Falling, Catching" by Henri Nouwen & Carolyn Whitney-Brown
Episode 50 will be "Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding Freedom" by Henri Nouwen & Carolyn Whitney-Brown - (buy it here)
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2 min - 47: Data > Dogma: A conversation with biblical scholar Dan McClellan
Bible nerds unite! Nathan & Steve got to have a wonderful conversation with TikTok-famous Bible scholar Dan McClellan. Topics include the cognitive science of religion, the problem with univocality, the development of inerrancy, and… does God look like a cow?
- Dan’s TikTok account
- Dan’s dissertation: “The Cognitive Science of Religion and the Conceptualization of Deity in the Hebrew Bible”
- Identity Politics
- Data > Dogma Merch
- What is dogma?
- Book: “People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn
- The Documentary Hypothesis
- “Univocality”
- Marcion
- Psalm 137
- The Reformation
- The Enlightenment
- Logical Positivism
- Pete Enns
- Book: “The Bible Tells Me So” by Pete Enns
- Book: “How the Bible Works” by Pete Enns
- Book: “The Bible With Sources Revealed” by Richard Friedman
Earliest written parts of the Bible:
- Deuteronomy 32
- Deuteronomy 33
- Judges 5
- Psalm 68
- Exodus 15
- Genesis 49
Links to all of Dan’s stuff
Special Guest: Dan McClellan.
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1 hr 15 min - 46: The In-Between: How Daniel Wheat's music is entwined with his faith
Daniel Wheat has been the official Following the Fire troubadour since day one. He's working on a new album and talks to Nathan and Steve about how the progression of his music and the development of his faith are so closely bound together.
- Kickstarter for Daniel’s album
- Daniel Wheat on Spotify
- Update: The album has been launched and is available HERE
Special Guest: Daniel Wheat.
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1 hr 44 min
About Following the Fire
From the publisher's feed
Like many others, we (Steve & Nathan) are on a spiritual journey of deconstruction and reconstruction to find what God truly wants of us. Just like Israel followed the pillar of fire in the desert, we want to follow God wherever we are led. And just like Israel, we get lost a lot, we get it wrong a lot, but we're trying our best to follow and have a relationship with the Father. Join us on the journey!
Join our Patreon (http://patreon.com/followingthefire) - we would love your support!
Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
* Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp (https://danielwheat.bandcamp.com)
* Follow his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/danielwheatmusic/)
* And listen on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/artist/26EjMDBdKGmxBXEwkGWCkd?si=bQ8wtAeiSImTVmf8asqxrA)