Following the Fire

Following the Fire

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Following the Fire episodes

  • 29: Know Thyself: How the Enneagram can help you grow in your faith

    Enneagram trainer and life coach Krista Cannon joins us today to talk all things enneagram. She clears up a lot for us, like: What it is, what it isn't, how to use it, and how not to. We also talk about how understanding who YOU are can really help you in your faith journey.

    • Enneagram of Personality
    • Enneagram symbol
    • Book: “The Road Back to You”
    • Book: “The Path Between Us”
    • Automatic writings
    • Myers-Briggs Type Indicatoryers-Briggs Type Indicator
    • Podcast: Science Diction
    • “I do not understand what I do…” - Romans 7:15-20
    • Book: “With” by Skye Jethani
    • The Daily Examen practice
    • Book: “Man’s Search for Meaning” by Viktor Frankl
    • Krista’s Enneagram Typing Guide
    • RHETI Enneagram Typing Test
    • Podcast: Sleeping at Last
    • Book: “The Sacred Enneagram” by Chris Heuertz
    • Book: “The Enneagram of Belonging” by Chris Heuertz
    • Krista Cannon’s Instagram

      • Special Guest: Krista Cannon.

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      1 hr 6 min
    • 28: Don't Do It Alone: The spiritual impact of life-changing diseases

      In this episode Steve shares his story of being diagnosed with Young Onset Parkinson's Disease at 41 and then being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis at age 43. He talks about how dealing with those 2 diseases has impacted his faith and spiritual life.

      • NEXT BOOK CLUB: Episode 30 - September 15: "The Making of Biblical Womanhood" by Beth Allison Barr - (buy it here)

      • Daniel Wheat's new song, "Joy" (listen on Spotify here)

      • Young Onset Parkinson's Disease

      • What is Multiple Sclerosis?

      • Book: “With” by Skye Jethani

      • Parkinson Association of the Rockies

      • Steve’s nonprofit and ride across Colorado: Ride for PD

      • Pedaling 4 Parkinson’s

      • The Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research

      • demyelination

      • Diagnosing MS

      • oligoclonal band

      • Picture of Steve's daily medications

      • Video: Bible Project - “Soul”

      • Mr Rogers

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        1 hr 30 min
      • 27: Imaginary Other: Surviving arguments with relationships intact

        Probably none of you need to hear this episode, since none of you have ever had an argument, but in case you do find yourself in an argument, this episode is for you. Nathan, a self-appointed expert on arguing, gives us the ABC’s of arguments. How to approach them, how to diffuse them, and how to know when to stop pushing and let go. We also talk about true Scotsmen, belief vs. faith, and when losing on purpose is Christ-like.

        Intro

        • Nathan was a debate nerd
        • Steve was a music nerd
        • They both somehow avoided getting beaten up for it
        • John Hughes films
        • Film: Rocky
        • “Belief” by John Mayer (Spotify Link)

          • Advice for Arguments

          • Assume Positive Intent
          • Big Picture
          • Curiosity
          • Ted Lasso
          • Nathan is cheap
          • Jesus talking to the Syrophoenician (Canaanite) woman - Matthew 15:22-28
          • Calling of Matthew - Matthew 9:9-13
          • Calling the fishermen - Calling the fishermen
          • “If you’re at the altar…” - Matthew 5:23-24
          • Take the log out of your own eye first - Matthew 7:3-5
          • Song: “Man In the Mirror” by Michael Jackson Spotify link
          • Alan Watts
          • Parable of the Good Samaritan - Luke 10:25-37
          • Cartoon: Somebody’s wrong on the internet
          • “Such a time as this…”Esther 4:14
          • Gandalf quote
          • Lord’s Prayer - Lord’s Prayer

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            1 hr 13 min
          • 26: Hippie Church: More adventures in the new and the different

            Today we’re celebrating a new milestone in Following the Fire history - we’ve passed 25 episodes! And it’s Steve’s turn to tell about his family’s first foray into the “other churches” world.

            Intro

            • It’s our silver anniversary!
            • Steve & Nathan are apparently NOT gift-givers
            • We have a Patreon!

              • Visiting the UCC

              • Tv show: “Star Wars: The Clone Wars”
              • Book: “Faith After Doubt” by Brian McLaren
              • “Ghosting”
              • United Churches of Christ
              • Plymouth Congregational church
              • “Casa del Sol Prayer of Jesus” by John Philip Newell
              • Pilgrim history
              • Anglican Church
              • Song: “Imagine” by John Lennon
              • Book: “The New Testament” translated by David Bentley Hart
              • Pseudepigrapha
              • Song: “Take Five” by Dave Brubeck

                • Visiting the DoC

                • Disciples of Christ
                • Restoration Movement
                • Heart of the Rockies Church
                • Heartside Hill project

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                  58 min
                • 25: Book Club: "A Church Called TOV" by Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer

                  Today we have with us Laura Barringer, co-author of “A Church Called Tov”. We had a fabulous conversation with her and learned so much. If you haven’t read the book yet, don’t worry - Nathan gives a great summary before we get in to the discussion. Do be sure to grab a copy for yourself, though! Links are in the show notes.

                  Book: “A Church Called Tov” by Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer

                  • Nathan sums up the book
                  • Laura introduces herself
                  • Willow Creek Church
                  • Article: "After years of inquiries, Willow Creek pastor denies misconduct allegations"
                  • Scot McKnight
                  • Yom Kippur
                  • Beatitudes
                  • Book: “The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth” by Beth Allison Barr
                  • Book: “Extraordinary Women of Christian History: What We Can Learn from Their Struggles and Triumphs”
                  • MMPI Diagnostic Test
                  • Narcissistic Personality Disorder
                  • Book: “When Narcissism Comes to Church: Healing Your Community From Emotional and Spiritual Abuse” by Chuck DeGroat
                  • Mr. Rogers

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                    Special Guest: Laura Barringer.

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                    58 min
                  • 24: Pushing Past the Weird: Getting back out there and visiting new churches

                    Looking for a new faith community is gonna be weird at first, but that’s just part of the process, like it or not. Nathan decided to be an overachiever and visited two churches in one day and he tells us all about his experiences. We also start off the episode with some long overdue shout-outs.

                    SHOUT OUTS!

                    • Heather’s (Nathan’s wife) Instagram: @hcat_23
                    • Pacific Crest Trail
                    • Our international listeners (20+ countries so far!)
                    • Review us on Apple Podcasts: Click here
                    • Holy Post Podcast
                    • Bible Project Podcast

                      • Sunday Two-Fer

                      • Nathan visits a couple Episcopal churches
                      • There are too many churches
                      • Episcopal Churches
                      • C.S. Lewis
                      • NT Wright
                      • Dorothy Sayers
                      • Nicene Creed
                      • High Church
                      • Passing the Peace
                      • Liturgical Calendar
                      • Gospel of Mark
                      • Mark 6
                      • Episode 14 - in which we discuss our criteria for finding a church
                      • Cathedral of the Plains
                      • Nadia Bolz-Weber
                      • Sarah Bessey
                      • Crazy walls
                      • Bonus episode: The Leaven of Nathan
                      • United Church of Christ
                      • Romans 16:16

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                        53 min
                      • 23: NakedPastor: Artist David Hayward discusses his cartoons & his faith journey

                        Nathan and Steve got to sit down with David Hayward, aka, “NakedPastor” for a fabulous conversation. David is an author, artist, cartoonist, and all-around super nice guy (not just because he’s Canadian). We got to hear of his journey from being a pastor for 30 years to being the cartoonist for deconstructing Christians, we talked about his motivations for doing what he does, and much more!

                        • Following the Fire book club book: "A Church Called Tov" by Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer

                        • NakedPastor.com

                        • The Far Side

                        • “Images of Jesus” series

                        • “Sophia” series

                        • Cartoon: “Two Views of God”

                        • Cartoon: “I believe I’m right”

                        • Jesus eating with the sinners Mark 2:13-17

                        • Book: “The Art of Coming Out”

                        • Cartoon: “Love Versus the Bible”

                        • Author: Eugene Peterson

                        • Cartoon: “Nothing in Common”

                        • Book: “Questions Are the Answer”

                        • Book: “A Cloud of Unknowing”

                        • First “Sophia” drawing: “Fearless”

                        • Book: “The Liberation of Sophia”

                        • Sophia drawing: “Cave”

                        • Sophia drawing: “Light”

                        • “My burden is light…” Matthew 11:28-30

                        • Book: “Till Doubt Do Us Part”

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                          Special Guest: David Hayward.

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                          1 hr 4 min
                        • 22: Trans-Christian: A conversation with Natalie Drew about following God as a trans woman

                          Today we’re talking to Natalie Drew. Natalie is a devout Christian, pacifist, and kind of a theology nerd who also happens to be a trans woman. She shares her story with us of struggling with life before beginning her transition after having a wife and 2 kids, how her marriage weathered the storm, and she gives some great advice to other LGBTQ people in the church, as well as for the rest of the church. I do want to let you know that suicide does come up a few times in this episode.

                          • Natalie Drew: Twitter - @natdrew79
                          • Book: “Jesus the Gentle Parent”
                          • Raw Tools
                          • “Deadnaming”
                          • Gender Dysphoria
                          • Gender Identity
                          • Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” 2 Corinthians 12:6-9
                          • Naked Pastor cartoons
                          • “The Most Sincere Prayer”
                          • Open Theism
                          • Greg Boyd
                          • Book:“Crucifixion of the Warrior God” by Greg Boyd
                          • Merism
                          • Natalie’s Blog
                          • Hebrews 1:3
                          • 1 Samuel 8
                          • Sacrificial love of Christ - Philippians 2:5-11
                          • Heather’s Twitter (Natalie’s wife): @heatherdrew
                          • Cisgender
                          • Documentary: “Disclosure”
                          • Bridget Eileen Rivera
                          • Austen Heartke
                          • Biblical love: 1 Corinthians 13

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                            Special Guest: Natalie Drew.

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                            1 hr 32 min
                          • 21: Good Tomatoes: When taking things seriously just means “Love”

                            On today’s podcast we’re discussing a variety of topics including how our deconstruction’s going, what relationships look like when they’re not connected to a church, the Bible and being “right” and, unsurprisingly, it all ends up pointing to love.

                            Intro

                            • The band is back together
                            • How’s Steve’s deconstruction going?
                            • Book: “The Long Tail”

                              • Relationships outside of church

                              • It’s possible to have friends who are NOT at church with you

                                • The Bible & Rightness

                                • Book: “Predictably Irrational”
                                • “Let’s start at the very beginning….” ”Sound of Music - “Do Re Mi”
                                • “Rooted and established in love” - Ephesians 3:14-19
                                • Love sums up the Law and the Prophets - Matthew 22:38-40 and Romans 13:9-10 and Galatians 5:14

                                  • It’s about love

                                  • Become like children - Matthew 18:2-4
                                  • “If there’s a group of people that we’re gonna be disappointed that God’s okay with them, we might be doing it wrong” — Nathan

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                                    1 hr 21 min
                                  • 20: Book Club: "Jesus & John Wayne" by Kristen Kobes Du Mez

                                    We've invited Valerie Quirey (American, Canadian, former Brazilian, & church planter) to discuss possibly the most unsettling (yet important!) book any of us have read this year. The discussion was fantastic!

                                    • Book club book: “Jesus & John Wayne” by Kristen Kobez Du Mez

                                    • Special guest: Valerie Quirey

                                    • Valerie’s Twitter: @val_q

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                                      Special Guest: Valerie Quirey.

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                                      1 hr 34 min

                                    About Following the Fire

                                    From the publisher's feed

                                    Like many others, we (Steve & Nathan) are on a spiritual journey of deconstruction and reconstruction to find what God truly wants of us. Just like Israel followed the pillar of fire in the desert, we want to follow God wherever we are led. And just like Israel, we get lost a lot, we get it wrong a lot, but we're trying our best to follow and have a relationship with the Father. Join us on the journey!