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  • For Real Rewind: Reading For Self Care

    While Kim and Alice take a short summer break, enjoy this episode from the archive about reading for self care!

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    Nonfiction in the News

    National Book Critics Circle Award Winners Announced [Book Riot]

    Best-Selling Author Brené Brown Promotes Meaningful Change in Trailer for HBO Max’s ‘Atlas of the Heart’ [The Wrap]


    New Nonfiction

    Letter to a Stranger: Essays to the Ones Who Haunt Us by Colleen Kinder

    Dress Code: Unlocking Fashion from the New Look to Millennial Pink by Veronique Hyland

    You Sound Like a White Girl: The Case for Rejecting Assimilation by Julissa Arce

    Hell’s Half-Acre: The Untold Story of the Benders, America’s First Serial Killer Family by Susan Jonusas

    All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep: Hope – and Hard Pills to Swallow – About Fighting for Black Lives by Andre Henry

    Burning My Roti: Breaking Barriers as a Queer Indian Woman by Sharan Dhaliwal


    Reads for Self Care

    World of Wonders: In Praise of Fireflies, Whale Sharks, and Other Astonishments by Aimee Nezhukumatathil

    Calypso by David Sedaris

    The Lazy Genius Way: Embrace What Matters, Ditch What Doesn’t, and Get Stuff Done by Kendra Adachi

    Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Doris Kearns Goodwin


    Reading Now

    The Christie Affair by Nina de Gramont

    The Dark Forest by Cixin Liu

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    46 min
  • For Real Rewind: 2022 Nonfiction Preview, Part 1

    While Kim and Alice take a short summer break, enjoy this episode from the archive!

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    NONFICTION WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, PART I

    Let’s Get Physical: How Women Discovered Exercise and Reshaped the World by Danielle Friedman

    Comedy Comedy Comedy Drama: A Memoir by Bob Odenkirk

    Manifesto: On Never Giving Up by Bernardine Evaristo

    The Urge: Our History of Addiction by Carl Erik Fisher

    South to America: A Journey Below the Mason-Dixon to Understand the Soul of a Nation by Imani Perry

    The Cryptopians: Idealism, Greed, Lies, and the Making of the First Big Cryptocurrency Craze by Laura Shin

    There Are No Accidents: The Deadly Rise of Injury and Disaster—Who Profits and Who Pays the Price by Jessie Singer

    NONFICTION WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, PART II

    Ancestor Trouble: A Reckoning and a Reconciliation by Maud Newton

    Murder on the Mountain: Crime, Passion, and Punishment in Gilded Age New Jersey by Peter J. Wosh, Patricia L. Schall 

    Bittersweet: How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole by Susan Cain 

    Scoundrel: How a Convicted Murderer Persuaded the Women Who Loved Him, the Conservative Establishment, and the Courts to Set Him Free by Sarah Weinman 

    Essential Labor: Mothering as Social Change by Angela Garbes

    READING NOW

    KIM: Thinking Inside the Box: Adventures with Crosswords and the Puzzling People Who Can’t Live Without Them by Adrienne Raphel

    ALICE: A Visitor’s Guide to Victorian England by Michelle Higgs

    CONCLUSION

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    47 min
  • 2022 Nonfiction Preview, Part II

    This week Alice and Kim talk about upcoming nonfiction for 2022.

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    Nonfiction in the News

    Former Chronicle reporter signs deal with Jamie Lee Curtis on Paradise Fire movie [Datebook]


    New Nonfiction, Part 2

    The Tomorrow Game: Rival Teenagers, Their Race for a Gun, and a Community United to Save Them by Sudhir Venkatesh (

    The Colony: Faith and Blood in a Promised Land by Sally Denton

    Normal Family: On Truth, Love, and How I Met My 35 Siblings by Chrysta Bilton

    Rogues: True Stories of Grifters, Killers, Rebels and Crooks by Patrick Radden Keefe

    Return to Uluru: The Hidden History of a Murder in Outback Australia by Mark McKenna

    Asian American Histories of the United States by Catherine Ceniza Choy

    The Fishermen and the Dragon: Fear, Greed, and a Fight for Justice on the Gulf Coast by Kirk Wallace Johnson 

    We Are Still Here: Afghan Women on Courage, Freedom, and the Fight to Be Heard by Nahid Shahalimi

    Koshersoul: The Faith and Food Journey of an African American Jew by Michael W. Twitty

    All the Women in My Brain by Betty Gilpin

    Bad Vibes Only: (and Other Things I Bring to the Table) by Nora McInerny

    Elderflora: A Modern History of Ancient Trees by Jared Farmer

    American Caliph: The True Story of a Muslim Mystic, a Hollywood Epic, and the 1977 Siege of Washington, DC by Shahan Mufti

    Egypt’s Golden Couple: When Akhenaten and Nefertiti Were Gods on Earth by John and Colleen Darnell

    The Song of the Cell: An Exploration of Medicine and the New Human by Siddhartha Mukherjee


    Reading Now

    KIM: The Monster’s Bones: The Discovery of T. Rex and How It Shook Our World by David K. Randall 

    ALICE: The Sword and the Shield: The Revolutionary Lives of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr. by Peniel E. Joseph


    CONCLUSION

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    47 min
  • Books on Disability Activism

    This week Alice and Kim talk about books on disability activism to recognize the anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Plus, new nonfiction about divorce colonies, fangirls, and more.

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    Nonfiction in the News

    ‘Tiny Beautiful Things’ Series Adaptation Casts Kathryn Hahn [Collider]

    Olympian Nathan Chen To Publish Memoir in Fall [Kirkus]


    New Nonfiction

    The Divorce Colony: How Women Revolutionized Marriage and Found Freedom on the American Frontier by April White

    Everything I Need I Get from You: How Fangirls Created the Internet as We Know It by Kaitlyn Tiffany

    We Refuse to Forget: A True Story of Black Creeks, American Identity, and Power by Caleb Gayle

    Cabin Fever: The Harrowing Journey of a Cruise Ship at the Dawn of a Pandemic by Michael Smith and Jonathan Franklin

    City of Refugees: The Story of Three Newcomers Who Breathed Life into a Dying American Town by Susan Hartman


    Disability Activism

    Disability Visibility: First-Person Stories from the Twenty-First Century by Alice Wong

    Haben: The Deafblind Woman Who Conquered Harvard Law by Haben Girma

    The Disability Experience: Working Toward Belonging by Hannalora Leavitt and Belle Wuthrich

    Being Heumann: An Unrepentant Memoir of a Disability Rights Activist by Judith Heumann and Kristen Joiner

    Demystifying Disability: What to Know, What to Say, and How to Be an Ally by Emily Ladau

    A Disability History of the United States by Kim E. Nielsen


    Reading Now

    Flying Solo: A Novel by Linda Holmes

    Looking for the Good War: American Amnesia and the Violent Pursuit of Happiness by Elizabeth D. Samet

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    49 min
  • Pride Reads

    This week Alice and Kim talk about nonfiction for Pride Month.

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    Follow Up

    KIM: Invisible Child: Poverty, Survival & Hope in an American City by Andrea Elliott

    Nonfiction in the News

    Three Women: Lisa Taddeo Shares a Vivid First Look at Her Adaptation [Vanity Fair]

    New Nonfiction 

    Battling the Big Lie: How Fox, Facebook, and the MAGA Media Are Destroying America by Dan Pfeiffer 

    The Monster’s Bones: The Discovery of T. Rex and How It Shook Our World by David K. Randall

    The Wine-Dark Sea Within : A Turbulent History of Blood by Dr. Dhun Sethna

    The Facemaker: A Visionary Surgeon’s Battle to Mend the Disfigured Soldiers of World War I by Lindsey Fitzharris

    1368: China and the Making of the Modern World by Ali Humayun Akhtar

    Weekly Theme: Queer Books

    Gender Queer: A Memoir by Maia Kobabe

    Wow, No Thank You by Samantha Irby

    Queer, There, and Everywhere: 23 People Who Changed the World by Sarah Prager (Author), Zoe More O’Ferrall (Illustrator)

    Long Live the Tribe of Fatherless Girls by T Kira Madden

    Reading Now

    KIM: The Puzzler: One Man’s Quest to Solve the Most Baffling Puzzles Ever, from Crosswords to Jigsaws to the Meaning of Life by A.J. Jacobs (Author), Greg Pliska (Contributor)

    ALICE: Girls Can Kiss Now by Jill Gutowitz


    CONCLUSION

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    45 min
  • Reads for AAPI Heritage Month

    This week Alice and Kim talk about books for Asian American, Native Hawaiian, and Pacific Islander Heritage Month plus new releases from charming superheroes, football coaches, and more.

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    Follow Up

    The Woman All Spies Fear: Code Breaker Elizebeth Smith Friedman and Her Hidden Life by Amy Butler Greenfield

    Nonfiction in the News

    Taraji P. Henson in Talks to Produce and Star in ‘Queenie’ for BET Studios [Variety]

    Colin Kaepernick to Publish a Young Adult Memoir [New York Times]

    New Nonfiction

    Hometown Victory: A Coach’s Story of Football, Fate, and Coming Home by Keanon Lowe with Justin Spizman

    Public Faces, Secret Lives: A Queer History of the Women’s Suffrage Movement by Wendy L. Rouse

    His Name Is George Floyd: One Man’s Life and the Struggle for Racial Justice by Robert Samuels and Toluse Olorunnipa

    We Were Dreamers: An Immigrant Superhero Origin Story by Simu Liu

    Her Country: How the Women of Country Music Became the Success They Were Never Supposed to Be by Marissa R. Moss

    Who Killed Jane Stanford?: A Gilded Age Tale of Murder, Deceit, Spirits and the Birth of a University by Richard White

    Asian American, Native Hawaiian, and Pacific Islander Heritage Month

    American Harvest: God, Country, and Farming in the Heartland by Marie Mutsuki Mockett

    Heart of Fire: An Immigrant Daughter’s Story by Mazie Hirono

    Rest: Why You Get More Done When You Work Less by Alex Soojung-Kim Pang

    Rise: A Pop History of Asian America from the Nineties to Now by Jeff Yang and Phil Yu and Philip Wang

    Reading Now

    Invisible Child: Poverty, Survival, and Hope in an American City by Andrea Elliot

    My Body by Emily Ratajkowski

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    43 min
  • Voting Reads

    This week Alice and Kim talk voting reads.

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    Nonfiction in the News

    Betty Gilpin Inks Deal with Macmillan’s Flatiron Books for Personal Essay Collection [Deadline]

    Los Angeles Times Book Prizes Winners Announced [LA Times]

    Biography – Burning Boy: The Life and Work of Stephen Crane by Paul Auster

    Autobiographical Prose – Real Estate: A Living Autobiography by Deborah Levy

    Current Interest – Midnight in Washington: How We Almost Lost Our Democracy and Still Could by Adam Schiff

    History – Cuba: An American History by Ada Ferrer

    Science and Technology – The Disordered Cosmos: A Journey into Dark Matter, Spacetime, and Dreams Deferred by Dr. Chanda Prescod-Weinstein

    New Nonfiction

    The Power of Dignity: How Transforming Justice Can Heal Our Communities by Judge Victoria Pratt

    Bad Mexicans: Race, Empire, and Revolution in the Borderlands by Kelly Lytle Hernández

    37 Questions with Kelly Lytle Hernández

    Dead in the Water: A True Story of Hijacking, Murder, and a Global Maritime Conspiracy by Matthew Campbell and Kit Chellel

    Born to Be Hanged : The Epic Story of the Gentlemen Pirates Who Raided the South Seas, Rescued a Princess, and Stole a Fortune by Keith Thomson 

    Weekly Theme: Voting

    One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression is Destroying Our Democracy by Carol Anderson

    Drawing the Vote: An Illustrated Guide to Voting in America by Tommy Jenkins (Author), Kati Lacker (Illustrator)

    Our Time Is Now: Power, Purpose, and the Fight for a Fair America by Stacey Abrams

    Say It Louder!: Black Voters, White Narratives, and Saving Our Democracy by Tiffany Cross

    Suffrage: Women’s Long Battle for the Vote by Ellen Carol Dubois

    Reading Now

    KIM: The Woman All Spies Fear: Code Breaker Elizebeth Smith Friedman and Her Hidden Life by Amy Butler Greenfield

    ALICE: Lincoln in Private by Ronald C. White


    CONCLUSION

    You can find us on SOCIAL MEDIA – @itsalicetime and @kimthedork. Amazing Audio Editing for this episode was done by Jen Zink. RATE AND REVIEW on Apple Podcasts and Spotify so people can find us more easily, and follow us there so you can get our new episodes the minute they come out.

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    43 min
  • Work, Work, Work, Work, Work

    This week Alice and Kim share some books about odd jobs plus cover new nonfiction about Hong Kong, prison, and cold cases.

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    Follow Up

    Thinking Inside the Box: Adventures with Crosswords and the Puzzling People Who Can’t Live Without Them by Adrienne Raphel

    How to Be Perfect: The Correct Answer to Every Moral Question by Michael Schur

    Ancestor Trouble: A Reckoning and a Reconciliation by Maud Newton


    New Nonfiction

    Indelible City: Dispossession and Defiance in Hong Kong by Louisa Lim

    Finding Me: A Memoir by Viola Davis

    Free: Two Years, Six Lives, and the Long Journey Home by Lauren Kessler

    Unmasked: My Life Solving America’s Cold Cases by Paul Holes

    Bomb Shelter: Love, Time, and Other Explosives by Mary Laura Philpot

    Some of My Best Friends: Essays on Lip Service by Tajja Isen


    Books About Jobs

    Hammer Head: The Making of a Carpenter by Nina MacLaughlin

    The Ravenmaster: My Life with the Ravens at the Tower of London by Christopher Skaife

    Just Pursuit: A Black Prosecutor’s Fight for Fairness by Laura Coates

    Smoke Gets in Your Eyes: And Other Lessons from the Crematory by Caitlin Doughty


    Reading Now

    The Trayvon Generation by Elizabeth Alexander

    Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage by Alfred Lansing

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    43 min
  • Nonfiction Adapted for Young Readers

    This week Alice and Kim talk about nonfiction adapted for young readers.

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    Follow Up

    The Christie Affair by Nina de Gramont

    The Lazy Genius Way by Kendra Adachi


    New Nonfiction 

    Sisters of Mokama: The Pioneering Women Who Brought Hope and Healing to India by Jyoti Thottam

    Slaves for Peanuts : A Story of Conquest, Liberation, and a Crop That Changed History by Jori Lewis

    Life on the Rocks: Building a Future for Coral Reefs by Juli Berwald

    Murder on the Mountain : Crime, Passion, and Punishment in Gilded Age New Jersey by Peter J. Wosh, Patricia L. Schall

    The Last Baron: The Paris Kidnapping That Brought Down an Empire by Tom Sancton

    How to Sell a Poison : The Rise, Fall, and Toxic Return of DDT by Elena Conis

    Khabaar: An Immigrant Journey of Food, Memory, and Family by Madhushree Gosh 


    Weekly Theme: YA Adaptations of Adult Nonfiction

    Quiet Power: The Secret Strengths of Introverted Kids by Susan Cain

    Hidden Figures Young Readers’ by Margot Lee Shetterly

    Just Mercy: A True Story of the Fight for Justice by Bryan Stevenson

    Notes from a Young Black Chef: A Memoir by Kwame Onwuachi with Joshua David Stein


    Reading Now

    KIM: Ancestor Trouble: A Reckoning and a Reconciliation by Maud Newton

    ALICE: House of Abraham by Stephen Berry


    CONCLUSION

    You can find us on SOCIAL MEDIA – @itsalicetime and @kimthedork. Amazing Audio Editing for this episode was done by Jen Zink. RATE AND REVIEW on Apple Podcasts and Spotify so people can find us more easily, and follow us there so you can get our new episodes the minute they come out.

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    46 min
  • Reading for Self Care

    This week Alice and Kim chat about their current obsessions (Lincoln and fraudsters, respectively), discuss reading for self care, and preview new nonfiction about strangers, assimilation, serial killers, and more.

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    Nonfiction in the News

    National Book Critics Circle Award Winners Announced [Book Riot]

    Best-Selling Author Brené Brown Promotes Meaningful Change in Trailer for HBO Max’s ‘Atlas of the Heart’ [The Wrap]

    New Nonfiction

    Letter to a Stranger: Essays to the Ones Who Haunt Us by Colleen Kinder

    Dress Code: Unlocking Fashion from the New Look to Millennial Pink by Veronique Hyland

    You Sound Like a White Girl: The Case for Rejecting Assimilation by Julissa Arce

    Hell’s Half-Acre: The Untold Story of the Benders, America’s First Serial Killer Family by Susan Jonusas

    All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep: Hope – and Hard Pills to Swallow – About Fighting for Black Lives by Andre Henry

    Burning My Roti: Breaking Barriers as a Queer Indian Woman by Sharan Dhaliwal

    Reads for Self Care

    World of Wonders: In Praise of Fireflies, Whale Sharks, and Other Astonishments by Aimee Nezhukumatathil

    Calypso by David Sedaris

    The Lazy Genius Way: Embrace What Matters, Ditch What Doesn’t, and Get Stuff Done by Kendra Adachi

    Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Doris Kearns Goodwin

    Reading Now

    The Christie Affair by Nina de Gramont

    The Dark Forest by Cixin Liu

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    48 min

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