FOR REAL

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: being reduced to stereotypes - feeling left-out with men - being underestimated - the responsibility of filling a quota - micromachismo. 

Recorded on 10  March 2025 at TU Delft, the Netherlands, hosted by DEWIS.

(01:40) Seju [°2000 - Mahoba, IN]: "I am afraid people see me as someone who is not from Europe. 'This is where you come from so this is perhaps how you think, what you do and what you like.' That is scary. I would want people to see me behind their own vices. Not as a female engineer, who can only be interested in female problems." "So much is overlooked because of your gender." "What exactly?" "Those are thoughts I do not want to think about."

(08:00) Parisa [°1995, IR]: "I am not taken seriously and left out at meetings here at TUDelft. Which doesn't make sense to me: it is a scientific discussion. In one-to-one discussions I always feel heard, but in groups with men not, I feel left out. I constantly feel I need to make my voice heard, and I shouldn't. If I force it, it becomes a pity-attention, and that also does not work. I don't understand why this happens. How can we solve this?"

(13:23) Carolina [°1999, PT]: "'Are you sure you can do that?' That hits you with embarrassment, to take up your own space. It is some shame, especially when you are young. It was said to me that my presence was essential because I had to bring some peace into a room of male energy. Almost mothering me. They were old enough to be my father. But they are not sexist, right? Because they have mothers and daughters they do respect, they are just trying to protect me..."

(19:29) Tracy Davis [°1985, Capetown, SA]: "Not only being a female but also a female of colour, especially from South Africa with a painful history, based on race. You are filling the quota and it is also a big responsibility. Trying to be the example. It's also something to be grateful for: you are able to try, to step out. To be able to empower the others."

(25:41) Victory [°1994, Nigeria] and Natalie Mesa [°1991, Peru]: about micromachismo, "being called Natisita in my first job as an engineer in the mining sector. The others were 'doctor' even though they were not." And: "Hey mom, you are strong, you are brave and I love you. My mom has 7 girls and 1 boy and went to university after having all of us. She just pulled through and kept up showing up every day."

(32:40) What do you deserve? "To be free to just be." "To have space to act when we need it, but also rest when we need it." "The relief to not need to be a superwoman." "The benefit of the doubt." "To be myself, even if I change the way I am at some point." "Support."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: female leadership - the dangers of the patriarchal system - conversations with men - sexist a priori - calling people out on their behavior.  

Recorded on 23 November 2024, Explore the North, Leeuwarden. 

(01:26) Minke [°1952 - Wolvega, Friesland, NL]: reflects on female leadership. "A leader who humiliates, is not a leader."

(05:13) Janneke [°2001, Wierden, NL]: "I am a musician, and technicians feel the urge to explain me where the ON-button is on an amp. Explaining me I am not holding my guitar correctly."

(09:26) Eva [°1989, Leeuwarden,NL]: "The patriarchal system is heavy and unsafe for everyone."

(12:55) Sytzke [°2003, a village next to Leeuwarden,NL]: "I feel the responsibility to be bubbly. Especially in conversation with men, I feel I need to make them feel seen. Women resonate with that. Afterwards, I feel really drained." And the secret of showing interest.

(18:55) Johannes [°2001, Oostende, BE] and Tessa [°1998, Woerden, NL]: about being on tour with a female technician, and everyone always addressing Johannes. "What can I do apart from using tricks?" Tessa: "Is it OK to call people out on their behavior? I wish people would dare to say: 'this is not OK.'"

(24:55) What do you deserve? "To feel safe, without being kept on my toes."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: art school toxicity - the responsibilities of raising children - hiding behind a smile - giving birth - deserving pleasure. 

Recorded on 30 October 2024, Schuur, Haarlem.

(01:48) Emmy [°1988 - USA] asks musician Sarah about the red threads in all the interviews of FOR REAL so far.

(4:07) Anonymous: "I went to art school and I was in the year with a rapist. Everybody excused that guy. Teachers only going to the bar with the men, sniffing coke together. People say to you: "Oh, but you can really see it was made by a women". And then you think it must be me, my art is not good enough. I am running an art space now, trying to do the exact opposite of what I was taught in art school."

(08:05) Lilly [NL] "What responsibilities lie on your shoulders? Is that in the first place I am a mom. I have two beautiful daughters (...) what I try to do in raising them is to make them strong and resilient. Show them that they really have to be themselves."

(14:08) Anonymous: "I had a fight at work where I was treated very unjustly. I told it to my therapist. And she said: 'are you aware you are telling me this with a huge smile?' It's something a lot of women do. It's probably because it is safer to be friendly all the time than to be angry".

(17:05) Sil: "I felt very much how much the world at the moment needs women. There is so much we can do and a man can not." E.g. on the privilege of giving birth to children. "We are lucky to be a woman. I feel that every day."

(20:59) Robin: "I deserve pleasure. And this is difficult for me, because when I was born, the doctor did not see a willie so he said "it's a girl". I'm 33 now and a couple of years ago I came to realise that that small sentence trapped me. I think, people are worried for my happiness. That's an experience that you feel at ease with yourself. Joy beyond the labels. I think that's what we all deserve."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: women’s imposter syndrome - breaking the chain of traumas - not getting attention - fear of speaking out - strong stories. 

Recorded on 30 October 2024, Schuur, Haarlem.

(01:25) Jolanda [°1969 - Terschelling, NL] "We need the other 50% too, to start to make a difference. I would love to find men who say: I was one of those men and I'm sorry."

(04:50) Tuhin [°1988 - Kolkata, IN] "When I work with women, I see they put in 20 times the work. They question if they belong here. That confidence will take a lot of time to build. This is very counterproductive to the ecosystem. We all play a role here."

(10:05) Francesca [°1991 - Montepulciano, IT] "The responsibilities... towards my daughter. Her education, giving her food, transmitting values. Breaking the chain of traumas I am inheriting from the past. Which might be one of the hardest responsibilities on my shoulders. Transmit her the feeling she is not alone in her struggles in the world. She does not need to surrender to the individualism around us."

(14:19) Gina [°1990 - Amsterdam, NL] "Everybody listens to my brother all the time, he talks all the time. That frustrates me. I wanted my family to listen to me. I raised my voice, the response was: 'Gina! You put all the attention on you! You are probably drunk.' I had to laugh and then I got really sad."

(19:34) Rachel [°1983 - Leeds, UK] speaks with Tabitha [°1987 - Albuquerque, USA]

who was thinking about her mother a lot. "I was a responsibility on her shoulders. She cleaned houses and felt invisible."

Rachel speaks about the fear to speak out, and experiments with expressing herself in public, for example in her own music. It takes a lot of courage.

(24:35) Marelie [°1978] meets Durga [°43 years old, I think]. "I said no to be interviewed by Andrea. I think only sad stories about women will be remembered. I was worried people only remember sad stories. I deserve a strong voice. We deserve strong stories."

Marelie: "My mom was sent off as an au pair, her brother was allowed to go to college. I am so happy to hear different stories from the people in their 20s now."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: women in physics - being in control - the importance to matter - pushing women - losing your voice. 

Recorded on 27 October 2024, POM, Eindhoven (NL).

(01:25) Saskia [°1970 - Groningen, NL] on the position of women in physics. "I am full of stories. I have been interviewing female physicists of color and I was crying behind my laptop. And then a colleague is telling me I am making things up."

(06:42) Arnoud [°1978 - Zeist, NL] "I am the oldest son of the oldest son. So responsibility becomes a big issue. Be in control." And a U-turn that had to be taken.

(12:37) Mauricio Diaz [°1981 - Mexico City] "A very important thing is to matter and to be respected. And to be alive."

(18:23) Inge [°1988 - USA/NL] recently became a mother herself, which started conversations with her own mother. "It's so similar, what we experienced. Which makes me sad. Women are still so pushed as women."

(21:47) Astrid [°1990 - Columbia] "I loose my voice. I do want to say things, but feel that nothing that I would be capable to say is meaningful. Because I have been harmed, I don't want to harm."

(26:44) What do you deserve? "To be more proud of myself. To be able to speak my mind. To be respected as a man in my vulnerability. To be loved and be happy, as we all do."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: appearances & identity - the responsibility to be nice - women/men friendships - being a full-time dad. 

Recorded on 7 September 2024, at Gaudeamus, Theater Kikker, Utrecht.

(02:01) Ellen [°1960 - Rotterdam, NL] on an exam of instrumentation in musicology, and the demand of a retake, for the sake of being taken seriously.

(05:55) Emily [°1996 - Canterbury, UK] on appearing as a white woman, when her mother is from Bagdad, who studied mechanical engineering. "My appearance is a barrier to talking about her and her experiences."

(09:40) Daniela Bittman [°1952 - Romania] "I am very aggressive. One of my bosses pinched my behind. What do you think I did? I turned around and pinched him."

(14:15) Elsa [°2004 - Sydney, AU] on the responsibility to be nice to men who offer her advice she does not need. "It would feel scary to say: no thank you, leave me alone."

(18:08) Lilly (CH) and Alberto (ES) on not having female friends. On needing both. How can women and men be friends?

(27:00) What do you deserve? "The freedom to be a man who looks after children. Not to be judged and not to feel less of a man, for doing that."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this special episode of FOR REAL, the team looks back at the journey so far. Every team member brings their favourite fragment, which leads us to conversations on what it took to build this project.

With Sarah Jeffery (recorders & voice), Burkhard Körner (outside-eye), Hayden Hook (sound engineer), George Dumitriu (viola & guitar) and Andrea Voets (harp & musical journalism).

Part 3 of 3.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this special episode of FOR REAL, the team looks back at the journey so far. Every team member brings their favourite fragment, which leads us to conversations on what it took to build this project.

With Sarah Jeffery (recorders & voice), Burkhard Körner (outside-eye), Hayden Hook (sound engineer), George Dumitriu (viola & guitar) and Andrea Voets (harp & musical journalism).

Part 2 of 3.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this special episode of FOR REAL, the team looks back at the journey so far. Every member brings their favourite fragment, which leads us to conversations on what it took to build this project.

With Sarah Jeffery (recorders & voice), Burkhard Körner (outside-eye), Hayden Hook (sound engineer), George Dumitriu (viola & guitar) and Andrea Voets (harp & musical journalism).

The book that kickstarted this project is 'the Authority Gap' by Mary Ann Sieghart.

Part 1 of 3.

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews by Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery & George Dumitriu

Sound & recording by Hayden Hook - Dam Recordings

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: having to prove your masculinity - being the outlier - self-respect - voicing your opinion as a woman - people pleasing. 

Recorded on  15 June 2024, at Toets des Tijds, VEEM, Amsterdam.

(01:42) Fie [°1972 - Amsterdam, NL] tells about talking to the board of a cultural fund, who asked her: “where do you actually make your living from?” And not being able to speak her mind in that moment. And a rhetoric question: “would this question be asked to a man?”

(05:07) Hans [°1971 - Amsterdam, NL] describes how he was kicked out of a choir, at the moment he had prepared drinks and snacks for the group.

(09:51) Izak [°1996 - Amsterdam, NL] on proving your own masculinity: “What it is, I cannot tell you.” And 40 micro-agressions in one day, today. “Today was a good day.”

(15:40) Conny [°1952 - Rotterdam, NL] on being the outlier at school, the consequences for your sense of self and an epiphany of self-respect. 

(18:37) Karmit [°1996 - Treuchtlingen, DE] is a female composer. “Voicing your opinion as a woman has consequences, so I don’t dare to share examples here, so you actually feel powerless.” “I would love there to come a point that there is no need anymore for us to share the examples. Because the fact that we need to share it, is horrible.”

(20:27) Luke [°1990 - London, UK] on people pleasing. “I spent a lot of my life making sure everyone is OK about me. That makes it really hard for me to confess to people when I’m not feeling OK.” 

Karmit: feeling like you ruin everything when you speak your mind. 

(23:24) What do you deserve? To be me, with all the good and the bad. Love. Being sinterklaas. To get it wrong sometimes. A role model, not to feel alone. 

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.