On the Ledge - June 5, 2025

Host: Dave Trafford
Guests: Tim Hudak, Kathleen Wynne, John Wright, Keith Leslie

This week on On the Ledge, Dave Trafford and the panel dive deep into the fallout and implications of Ontario’s controversial Bill 5. With the legislature on summer break, the political temperature rises over Indigenous consultation, environmental oversight, and the Ford government’s legislative tactics.

The conversation also ranges from pay raises and pensions for MPPs to the expectations around Mark Carney’s national leadership and the looming threat of Trump-era tariffs on Canadian steel. A thoughtful debate unfolds about trust, process, and the push for economic transformation in Ontario—and Canada.

Chapters & Timecodes
00:00 – Introduction
Dave Trafford welcomes listeners and the panel shares anecdotes on family, school, and athletics before shifting to political topics.

05:00 – Reflections on Youth Sports and Educational Values
A heartwarming discussion about personal growth, character-building in school sports, and their long-term impact on leadership and public service.

06:00 – The Bill 5 Debate and Indigenous Opposition
A comprehensive look at the legislative chaos and political backlash surrounding Bill 5. Guests discuss environmental concerns, procedural issues, and the lack of meaningful consultation with First Nations leaders.

24:00 – MPP Pay Raises, Pensions & Honorable Titles
Discussion of the quiet passage of MPP salary increases and reinstatement of the “Honorable” title, with reflections on political compensation, public service, and political optics.

36:00 – Mark Carney, Federal Alignment & Economic Anxiety
The panel reviews Carney’s handling of premiers' meetings, expectations around economic recovery, and public optimism amid fiscal uncertainty and steel tariffs.

48:00 – Steel Tariffs and Regional Job Impacts
Exploring the implications of 50% U.S. tariffs on Canadian steel, with a focus on Hamilton and Sault Ste. Marie. The group debates economic resilience and the possibility of a trade deal ahead of the G7.

54:00 – Closing Thoughts: Legal Reform and Federal-Provincial Harmony
Discussion on proposed changes to Ontario’s civil litigation system, the need for thoughtful reform, and the rare federal-provincial consensus emerging around economic development and resource extraction