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Harley Langdale Jr. Center for Forest Business

Today, I’m joined by Erin Lincoln, Director of the Harley Langdale Jr. Center for Forest Business at the University of Georgia, for an academic, data-driven look at what’s happening across timberland markets in the U.S. Southeast. Erin breaks down how hurricane impacts, permanent pulp and paper mill closures, and soft housing starts are reshaping demand for small-diameter wood—and what that means for landowners, communities, and investors. We explore where opportunity may emerge next, from bioenergy, carbon capture and storage, biochar, sustainable aviation fuel and natural capital themes, alongside the growing role of higher-and-better-use (HBU) revenue streams. Erin also explains how investor expectations differ across the U.S., Europe, and Asia, why reporting requirements are pinching TIMOs, and where AI could unlock new efficiency across forestry operations, compliance, and decision-making.

00:00 Welcome to Forest Invest

00:32 Erin Lincoln’s favorite tree (and why oaks matter)

01:02 Erin’s career path and role at the Center for Forest Business

02:10 Education, outreach, and research at UGA

03:19 Why the program is known for forest finance and economics

04:48 Setting the scene: the state of the US forest industry

05:00 Mill closures in the Southeast and hurricane impacts

07:12 Housing starts, inflation, and pressure on sawmills

08:04 Declining paper demand and global competition

09:09 Permanent mill closures and real estate constraints

10:05 Downturns create opportunity: bioenergy, biochar, SAF

11:39 Public perception of forestry and sustainable harvesting

14:43 What investors should know right now

14:56 Real estate, HBUs, and diversified revenue streams

16:16 ESG, natural capital, and return expectations

17:24 US vs European investor priorities

18:41 Reporting burdens and pressure on TMOs

20:06 Specialisation in a maturing timber investment market

22:01 What future forest investment professionals care about

23:52 Generational shifts in forestry careers

25:56 Research priorities: natural capital and bioeconomy

27:42 Measuring the full economic impact of forestry

28:42 Key knowledge gaps in carbon and forest products

30:04 The role of investors in shaping innovation

31:04 Advice for young foresters choosing a specialty

32:34 Why Erin is optimistic about the sector’s future

33:31 Artificial intelligence in forestry and timber investment

36:32 Where AI is already improving efficiency

38:08 One actionable piece of advice for new investors

39:18 Where to learn more about the Center for Forest Business

40:01 Closing remarks

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The Conservation Fund

Today, I’m joined by Matt Purdy, Director of Forest Investments at The Conservation Fund, a national nonprofit focused on conserving land in the U.S. while strengthening local communities and economies. In this conversation, Matt explains how their Working Forest Fund protects large, productive forests in perpetuity by taking conversion off the table—often through conservation easements designed specifically for sustainable timber management.

We unpack how The Conservation Fund acts as a bridge owner for public agencies and land trusts, what their capital stack looks like (including low-cost debt and a green bond), and why they always underwrite multiple pathways to a conservation outcome. We also dig into how carbon projects fit into their model, including their first issuance under ACR’s IFM 2.1 “removals-only” methodology, and the trade-offs of financing conservation without “turning off the saws.” Finally, Matt shares what’s changing in private capital—from mission-aligned family offices to corporate partners like Apple, and why mill closures remain one of the biggest risks to working forests and forest-based livelihoods.

00:00 Welcome to Forest Invest

00:31 Matt Purdy’s favourite tree and personal background

01:19 From timber cruiser to Director of Forest Investments

02:27 What is The Conservation Fund and its dual mission

03:52 What does “working forest” really mean?

05:39 Conservation easements and permanent forest protection

06:09 The bridge-ownership model explained

09:06 Managing risk with multiple conservation exit paths

10:09 Capital stack, low-cost debt, and green bonds

11:25 Two conservation pathways: public ownership vs private resale

12:30 How The Conservation Fund compares to other nonprofits

14:16 NGOs vs TIMOs: mission-first vs return-first investing

17:43 Plantation forests, natural forests, and partner priorities

18:58 Conservation easements as an investment tool

20:03 Carbon projects and Improved Forest Management (IFM)

21:00 Balancing harvests, carbon, and community livelihoods

23:24 ACR IFM 2.1 and removals-only carbon credits

24:20 Inside their first IFM 2.1 project

27:04 Working with private capital and mission-aligned investors

29:30 The Apple co-ownership deal explained

32:18 Corporates vs institutional investors: key differences

35:35 Opportunities and challenges for conservation ownership

41:07 Mill closures and risks to forest-based livelihoods

43:10 What’s next for The Conservation Fund

44:41 One piece of advice for new forest investors

46:57 Where to learn more and closing remarks

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Quarlbo Biodiversity

Xilva

Gresham House

New Forests

SFM

Aborcrest Investments

Aarden AI

CE Events and Media

MEAG

BTG Pactual Timberland Investment Group

In this special start-of-year episode, Forest Invest looks back at the 10 most downloaded conversations of all time and distills the most powerful insights from global leaders in forest finance, natural capital, biodiversity markets, and climate-positive investing.

From biodiversity credits and due diligence frameworks to timberland strategy, land use optimisation, and the future of nature-based investments, this episode brings together the ideas that resonated most with listeners and continue to shape the sector.

If you’re investing in forests, natural capital, or climate solutions in 2026, this is your essential recap and inspiration to start the year informed and motivated.

00:00 Welcome to Forest Invest & Season 3

00:45 Why this episode: Top 10 most downloaded insights

01:10 #1 Biodiversity credits explained: conservation, restoration & diversified forest management

03:05 #2 Due diligence in forest investment: impact, risk, and scalability

08:34 #3 Long-rotation forestry, climate risk, and timber demand

11:40 #4 Open-ended forestry funds and long-term stewardship

14:01 #5 Scaling plantations through landowner partnerships

18:13 #6 Why forestry is misunderstood as an asset class

21:39 #7 Breaking silos in land-use and investment decision-making

24:45 #8 The disconnect between biodiversity supply and demand

28:56 #9 How natural capital fits into institutional portfolios

30:46 #10 Land sparing, conservation design, and nature-positive outcomes

32:48 Key takeaways from the top 10 episodes

33:06 Invest in forests & closing remarks

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Funga

Josh Parrish (LinkedIn)

Today, I’m joined by Josh Parrish, Chief Growth Officer at Funga.

Josh explains how restoring the forest soil microbiome with native mycorrhizal fungi can meaningfully improve tree survival and boost growth rates in intensively managed Southern pine plantations, without relying on synthetic inputs.

We explore the science and technology behind Funga’s approach, including DNA sequencing, machine learning analysis of fungal communities, nursery inoculation methods, and large-scale field trials across 12 US states. Josh also explains why degraded below-ground biodiversity is one of the most overlooked risks in modern forestry and long-term forest investment.

Josh shares early evidence showing up to 30 percent gains in productivity, outlines Funga’s carbon removal business model, and describes how their 30-year lease structure works for landowners. We end with a discussion about what high-profile carbon removal buyers such as Netflix may signal for the future of regenerative forestry and nature-based climate solutions.

00:00] Intro and welcome

[00:19] Meet Josh Parrish, Chief Growth Officer at Funga

[00:32] Favourite tree: the white oak

[02:01] Josh’s background and journey to Funga

[04:16] What is the forest soil microbiome?

[04:42] Mycorrhizal fungi explained

[07:11] Why below-ground biodiversity matters

[08:22] Why nobody talks about soil health

[09:48] Technology behind Funga’s approach

[11:00] What happens to forest soils after harvest

[14:14] Risks of a degraded microbiome

[16:19] How landowners can assess soil health

[17:25] How Funga inoculates seedlings

[18:25] The nursery partnership and process

[21:10] How prescriptions for inoculation are created

[23:11] How to identify inoculated roots

[24:02] Control vs. inoculated seedlings

[27:00] Early results and productivity gains

[29:45] Restoration vs synthetic inputs

[30:19] Funga’s business model

[31:56] The 30-year carbon lease

[33:02] Carbon methodology and enhanced sequestration

[37:02] Partnership with Netflix

[40:02] Scaling awareness with landowners

[41:32] What’s next for Funga

[43:31] Advice for new forest investors

[44:36] Closing

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Anton Timpers (LinkedIn)

FMO

Today on Forest Invest, I am joined by Anton Timpers, Manager of Agriculture, Food and Forestry at FMO, the Dutch entrepreneurial development bank.

Anton explains how FMO approaches forestry as part of its wider agribusiness and sustainable land-use strategy. We discuss how the bank invests across the full forestry life cycle, from early-stage plantation projects to mature industrial forestry in emerging markets. Anton also outlines why FMO continues to support sustainable plantation forestry as a cornerstone of the future bio-based economy.

We explore the role of blended finance and concessional capital in crowding in private investment, and how development finance institutions can help reduce risk in frontier and emerging markets. Anton highlights the environmental and social safeguards FMO applies to avoid deforestation, ensure certification, and prevent greenwashing in forestry projects.

Anton also shares FMO’s ambition to invest up to 1 billion euros in forestry and sustainable land use by 2030. We talk about the challenge of finding truly bankable forestry projects in fragmented markets across Latin America, Africa and Asia, and what potential investees need to have in place before approaching a development finance institution like FMO.

[00:23] Meet today’s guest: Anton Timpers (FMO)

[00:34] Favourite tree

[01:02] Anton’s background and intro to FMO

[02:05] Building FMO’s forestry focus

[02:33] What makes FMO’s approach unique

[03:58] Investing across the asset maturity spectrum

[04:45] Co-investors and partners

[06:03] Appetite from commercial investors

[06:32] Plantation forestry vs natural forests

[08:20] Conservation, restoration and carbon risks

[10:13] Safeguards, certification and due diligence

[11:29] Why forestry moved into the agri team

[13:04] Standards, safeguards and risk frameworks

[14:26] FMO’s €1 billion forestry goal

[15:53] Main obstacles and fragmented markets

[17:49] Industrial demand and medium-sized enterprises

[20:01] Illegal logging and market realities

[21:47] Small global community of forestry investors

[23:21] What potential investees should know

[25:14] What to prepare before approaching FMO

[27:07] Direct equity vs fund-led co-investments

[27:50] COP discussions, pledges and Brazil focus

[29:39] Carbon credits, accounting and market gaps

[31:03] Positive momentum from COP

[32:06] Geographic focus: LatAm, Africa, Asia

[33:29] Concessional capital and early-stage funding

[35:36] How to approach FMO with an opportunity

[36:00] Final reflections

[36:11] Actionable advice for first-time forest investors

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Tāmata Hauhā

Blair Jamieson on LinkedIn

In today’s episode, I’m joined by Blair Jamieson, CEO and Co-Founder of Tāmata Hauhā, a New Zealand–based company leading the way in Māori land investment, carbon forestry, and sustainable land-use transformation. Blair shares how his background in government shaped the creation of this mission-driven organisation, which helps Indigenous Māori landowners unlock economic opportunities by developing under-utilised land into long-term, intergenerational assets that generate both social impact and financial returns.

We explore the realities and complexities of Māori land ownership and why building trust requires what Blair calls a “thousand cups of tea” approach — patient, relationship-centred engagement grounded in cultural respect. Blair explains how Tāmata Hauhā blends cultural integrity with commercial pragmatism, collaborating with more than 70 Indigenous groups to establish forests that deliver economic, community, climate, and biodiversity benefits.

Blair also breaks down New Zealand’s Emissions Trading Scheme (NZ ETS), offering rare insights into how this compliance-based carbon market provides credibility, transparency, and liquidity unmatched by most voluntary carbon systems. We discuss the company’s investment model, expected returns, and its expansion into the Chatham Islands, where carbon forestry is reshaping remote communities and supporting nature-based climate solutions.

Chapters

00:00 – Welcome & Introduction

00:23 – Meet Blair Jamieson & Tāmata Hauhā

01:21 – What the Company Does

02:25 – Blair’s Background in Government

03:17 – Forestry as an Economic Enabler for Māori Land

04:12 – Working with 70+ Indigenous Groups

05:05 – Community Impact & Commercial Returns

06:11 – Māori Land Ownership Explained

09:39 – The “Thousand Cups of Tea” Approach

12:39 – Māori Leadership Within the Company

14:29 – History of Radiata & NZ Forestry

17:35 – Moving Beyond Pine Monoculture

20:06 – Nurse Crops & Native Regeneration

22:27 – NZ Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) Overview

24:30 – How NZU Compliance Markets Work

31:51 – Carbon Prices & Market Dynamics

33:38 – Investment Model Explained

35:26 – Chatham Islands Projects

39:35 – Māori vs Moriori: Cultural Context

41:48 – Main Risks: Politics, Not Integrity

45:12 – What’s Next for Tāmata Hauhā

47:17 – Scaling & International Interest

47:51 – Final Advice for New Forestry Investors

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Global Forest Generation

Acción Andina

Florent Kaiser (LinkedIn)

Earthshot Prize

In this episode, I’m joined by Florent Kaiser, CEO of Global Forest Generation and co-lead of Acción Andina, winner of the 2023 Earthshot Prize. Florent shares how a grassroots movement born in the Peruvian Andes has evolved into a six-country restoration effort—reviving the world’s highest forests by combining Indigenous principles of Ayni (reciprocity) and Minka (collective service) with modern science, technology, and climate finance.

We explore what authentic community engagement looks like in practice, how to balance trust and expectations in long-term partnerships, and why forest restoration must begin by listening—to people, to landscapes, and to water.

Florent also outlines the next phase of Acción Andina’s mission: linking forest restoration and water security to attract new forms of capital, and inviting investors to build relationships rooted in dignity, co-ownership, and respect.

Chapters

[00:00] Welcome & introduction – Shauna Matkovich and Florent Kaiser (Global Forest Generation / Acción Andina)

[01:00] From childhood curiosity to creating a global forest movement

[03:00] Founding Acción Andina and Global Forest Generation

[07:30] How Indigenous principles of Ayni and Minka guide restoration

[12:30] What real community leadership and engagement look like

[17:00] Winning the Earthshot Prize and what it means for restoration

[21:30] Building trust and managing expectations with local partners

[33:00] Linking forest restoration with water security and long-term finance

[49:00] Blending ancient wisdom with modern tools and innovation

[54:00] Advice for investors: visit, listen, and invest in relationships

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The Carbon Paradox

Terra Impact Ventures

Renat Heuberger

Renat Heuberger, CEO of Terra Impact Ventures and author of The Carbon Paradox, joins host Shauna Matkovich to explore why the forest carbon market is both vital and fiercely debated. He unpacks key paradoxes — from the “baseline” paradox that rewards past deforestation to the “leakage,” “control,” and “transparency” paradoxes that trap project developers between local realities, investor demands, and media scrutiny.

Heuberger reflects on his exit from South Pole, the damage caused by polarised climate debates, and why scrapping REDD+ would mean abandoning the only proven tool to protect forests still disappearing today. Through his fiction-based narrative, he aims to reach readers outside the carbon bubble — including his 80-year-old mother — and believes the next wave of forest-climate leadership will come from students and founders ready to reshape the story.

His message to investors: now is the moment to “buy the dip” in forest carbon — for those patient enough to ride out the noise.

0:00 Intro – Welcome to Forest Invest

0:19 Guest intro – Renat Heuberger, Terra Impact Ventures & The Carbon Paradox

1:18 Origins – First encounters with deforestation in Indonesia

2:25 Building South Pole and early carbon-market journey

4:43 The first paradox – Putting a price on nature

6:11 Why write a fiction-based book about carbon markets

7:42 Writing for readers outside the climate bubble

9:40 The power of storytelling over white papers

10:40 Key paradoxes – Baseline, Leakage, Community

16:00 The Control Paradox – Who really decides how forest funds are used

22:31 The Ideologists Paradox – Attacks from left and right

25:19 The Transparency Paradox – When openness invites criticism

27:14 Meet the protagonists – Three students on a climate mission

29:25 Reconciling forests as moral duty vs market asset

33:04 New ideas – Pricing nature, not just carbon

35:17 Political cycles, slow progress, and REDD+ lessons

37:24 Rebirth of the Dream – Why narrative change matters

39:30 Raising a questioning generation

41:34 Leaving South Pole – What really happened

45:25 Silver linings and new beginnings

47:03 Who should read The Carbon Paradox – Greta Thunberg & President Prabowo

49:50 Message to project developers – Hang in there

51:23 Investor takeaway – “Buy the dip” in forest carbon

53:00 Where to find the book & Renat’s work

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REDD++ Business Initiative

Treevive

In this episode, Shauna Matkovich speaks with Michel Schuurman, Director of Business Development at TreeVive and Chair of the REDD+ Business Initiative, about the slowdown in corporate demand for avoided deforestation credits and why REDD+ remains the most scalable, cost-effective way to protect tropical forests.

Drawing on two decades in sustainability and climate finance, Michel explains how reputational risks and investment barriers are stalling progress, and why jurisdictional nesting alone won’t move fast enough. He outlines what high-integrity REDD+ looks like — community-driven design, FPIC, shorter MRV cycles, and national alignment — and calls for continued private-sector engagement.

His message: don’t wait for perfection — keep REDD+ in the portfolio, or we lose forests faster than finance flows.

0:23 Guest introduction – Michel Schuurman, TreeVive & REDD+ Business Initiative

1:26 Michel’s professional journey and path into forest carbon finance

5:15 Major shifts in forest carbon and avoided-deforestation markets

6:25 Role of the private sector vs governments and NGOs in forest protection

8:52 Why carbon remains the key measurable value metric

10:54 Challenges with valuing intact forests and improving REDD+ mechanisms

13:17 Overview of REDD+ Business Initiative report and its aims

17:01 Addressing media criticism and project integrity in REDD+

19:26 What’s improving in methodologies and MRV tools

19:27 Three biggest financing gaps in forest protection

21:17 Corporate reputational risk and reluctance to engage

22:39 Policy and Article 6 uncertainty as a major barrier

24:33 Market slowdown and optimism for renewed momentum

26:15 What defines a high-integrity REDD+ project design

27:12 Community engagement, FPIC and benefit-sharing models

29:34 Technical integrity: baselines, MRV cycles, permanence and leakage

31:53 Investor profiles suited to REDD+ projects

33:00 Why institutional capital hesitates and the funding-size gap

35:49 Why capital isn’t flowing despite low ticket sizes

37:06 State of impact and philanthropic investment in REDD+

38:13 Jurisdictional vs private-project approaches and time lags

40:22 How developers can de-risk and protect their projects

41:02 Emerging insurance and policy-risk products

41:40 Blended-finance tools to mobilize private capital

44:13 Final call to action – keep forest protection in portfolios

45:26 Role of media and balanced reporting

48:00 Closing remarks and where to find the REDD+ Business Initiative report

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Today, I’m joined by Niamh McCarthy, Senior Director of Climate-Related Risk, and Alexandre Köberle, Senior Fellow at Orbitas—an initiative of Climate Advisors. We explore their report Room to Grow: The Economic Case for Forest Restoration in Brazil, showing how climate transitions open new investment pathways in Brazil’s land economy. Orbitas’ scenario analysis quantifies financial risks and opportunities in forestry and agriculture, revealing a $141 billion restoration potential and 369,000 new jobs by 2050. Niamh and Alexandre share where large-scale restoration makes economic sense, how blended finance, green bonds, and carbon markets are evolving, and why local expertise and due diligence are vital for investors in Brazil.

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[2:42] What Orbitas does — assessing climate-related risks and opportunities

[6:21] Scenario analysis and transition risk explained

[7:23] Using TCFD framework and standard terminology

[9:22] Brazil report — “Room to Grow: The Economic Case for Forest Restoration”

[10:08] Methodology and headline findings

[11:27] Agricultural drivers and degraded pasturelands

[12:23] Profitability and financing mechanisms

[13:37] Political will and policy alignment in Brazil

[14:43] Surprises and confirmations in the analysis

[17:01] Why focus on Brazil versus other countries

[19:15] Regional focus — where restoration makes most sense

[21:19] Importance of the Amazon and Cerrado ecosystems

[23:10] Hydrological and climate resilience links

[26:14] Investment risk, transparency, and blended finance

[30:35] Restoration archetypes and financing mechanisms

[33:39] Emerging trends — agroforestry and new markets

[35:35] Carbon markets, ETS, and biodiversity credits

[39:12] How climate transitions affect profitability

[42:29] Market proximity and economic feasibility

[43:00] What investors should ask before investing

[45:15] Importance of due diligence and local partnerships

[46:10] Calls to action for government and corporations

[48:49] Policy implementation and land governance challenges

[50:30] Role of other stakeholders and communities

[51:34] Ensuring fair distribution of returns

[52:22] Corporate responsibility and supply chain influence

[54:18] Profitability even without strong transitions

[55:06] Final advice for new forest investors

[57:10] Building trust and long-term partnerships

[57:38] Closing thoughts and where to learn more

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