We are back for another interview episode talking about Sabbath. And so thank you guys for tuning in. We are trying to do, uh, we're trying to interview as many people from our church as possible, uh, to talk about the, the best practices. Kind of we're all stumbling through this cuz it's so foreign to so many of us.
So today we. Caden Shaley. Hello. Hi. Welcome. Thank you. Hold on, let me do a, uh, clapping. Hold on. You won't hear it, but.
Thank you. Thank you. First time ever you get a clap feature. That's awesome. Yes. I'm glad. I'm glad we could have that. You're tol, you're totally just trusting me here. It could have been a boo track. It could have been. Because you don't have headphones on. No, no. But it's not a boo track. Although I want to add that in my repertoire just in case.
Uh, so introduce yourselves to those who don't know you. Okay. Who are you? Well, I'm Cade. Um, I don't know what kind of introduction you want me to give. I work for the Safety Team and also children Ministry for Passion Creek. Um, and I am the brother-in-law of our Pastor Trey Band Camp. That's me. Yeah. All right.
Um, I am Shaylee Wiles. Um, I also help with kids, ma Moley Lonely. Mossy. Mm. Mostly, mostly kids. Um, and I am sister of Trevan Camp's, wife Jordan. Yeah. Which makes us related again, right? Yeah. Even more so. Even more so we're related by marriage. Yes. I know. My wife said that we made it so weird on Sunday. You did?
You did. I did because I said that you, I said what you said, which we are related by marriage. You said not to each other. Yeah, it was a fun joke. It was. Everybody laughed. It was everybody laugh. Yeah. Probably shouldn't have been included, so, okay. So we can go on that forever. But, uh, we appreciate you guys.
We love that you're a part of our family. Mm-hmm. Literally and, uh, spiritually. Right. Um, and so I'm excited, uh, just to hear about both of your guys' backgrounds. So feel free to kind of go back and forth on some of these questions. Um, cuz I actually, I, I'd like to say that probably you have more. Sabbath ish background.
Mm-hmm. Right. Uh, and Shaylee, you don't Yeah. And I only know that cuz you know, I know your sister. Yeah. So I know that they didn't, you guys didn't grow up with like a Sabbath kind of thing, so Yeah. What was your life like before practicing Sabbath? Let's start with you Shaylee. Okay. Um, so I work at a, a job that's very emotionally draining and very quickly you can get burnt out.
Um, just, just the kind of work that I, that I do, it can get really tough sometimes. Um, and so it would come Monday and I would be like, Ugh, I gotta go to work again. I gotta deal with, you know, these situations. And so before Sabbath, like I felt like we were so busy, we were constantly doubling up our weekends.
Mm. And, and I really feel like I, it was, it was a struggle. Mm-hmm. I, I, same thing for me, uh, when it came to Monday, I would always feel like, you know, that just dread of like the work week. Uh, and that's just because kinda like Shaylee mentioned that Saturday and Sunday was our catch up days because we just.
Had a nine to five and then we have to go to sleep. Well, technically she has a four to five. I have to go to sleep. You know, I get up at four 30. Yeah. So we, we would always just try to just cram everything into a Saturday, Sunday, and we never really had time except for church, for God. Mm-hmm. And we also went to two, two church services.
So like back to back, being away from the house all day Sunday. Was what we were doing for a while. Right. Yeah. And, and I, I hated to say this, but I always said that I have Saturday off because Sunday we were just so busy. Yeah. You know? Mm-hmm. Like, uh, especially serving in the church, it's just, it kind of got to a point with us to where it didn't feel like serving as much as it did work, if that makes sense.
Because we were serving in both churches, so twice a month. Mm-hmm. And it, it was a lot. It was a lot. Yeah. And you also, And then we've been talking about this with the other people in our groups where you kind of think you can get to the point where, okay, church is asking a lot, but really it's because the rest of your schedule is so cattywampus and so busy that then it looks like that's the thing that's draining.
Although I think like going too, like that's, that is draining, right? Yeah. There is something to that, right? Where like, oh, what we're doing Monday through Saturday is why we're so exhausted and overwhelmed. Mm-hmm. Before we even begin Sunday. Um, so like when you first heard that we're gonna practice. Did you feel any resistance?
What was that resistance like? So, yeah, like in my background when I grew up, we, uh, I grew up in a, the LDS faith or the Mormon church as some people know it as, and we would practice a Sabbath. Um, but I guess what, where it differs is I was younger. Um, so whereas. My parents could do it differently than how I remember it as a kid.
Um, I do remember my mom trying to get us to do kind of God time with her, where, you know, after dinner we would sit down, try to read the scriptures, but just with, uh, not only me, my brother and my sister, but also after. The divorce and the remarriage of my mom and my stepdad, um, and us having so many other siblings, we could, all seven of us could not sit in one room together, uh, because of conflict, because of just us moving around all too much.
Um, so, you know, we just kind of fizzled out of that. And then also throughout high school, we would never be home. So it was one of those things where I was like, had that, you know, bad taste in my mouth from just growing up, but at the same. I never did it. So I was kind of open to trying my own type of Sabbath.
Mm-hmm. Um, and just trying to figure out what is Sabbath to me. So did you know that Sabbath was like a Christian Church practice or did you kind of assume that's more of the lds? So, I mean, obviously it, it's a commandment to keep the Sabbath holy. Mm-hmm. Or to remember the Sabbath. Um, so good job. Thank you.
Remember, thank you. Yeah. So, so. I knew it was a commandment, so I knew it was a pretty much like everything, but it, it was more, um, it was more talked about within the, the Mormon church than I've ever heard. Hmm. You know, so, so when I had joined Passion Creek and I started to walk in the Christian life, um, and then it was kind of mentioned I was, it kind of took me by surprise, like, oh, okay, we do it here too.
That's, yeah. That's cool. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Yeah. I think for me, My family didn't, didn't do Sabbath at all. We didn't touch that. What I knew about Sabbath was that, um, a couple friends of mine in high school that were Mormon, they couldn't hang out on Sundays because they had to do Sabbath. So all that I knew about Sabbath was, oh, they can't go out, they can't do anything.
They can't hang out with friends. Um, but when you had started talking about it, I was really. Because honestly, this is kind of bad me to say, but I didn't realize it was a commandment. I really didn't. Cuz I heard Sabbath and I was like, yeah, whatever, whatever. What's that? And just kind of ignored it. But when you were saying how you guys were practicing Sabbath, even before you did this series, I was like, man, that would be really cool, but I don't know what to do.
I had no idea how. Or what, you know, what steps to take. That's good. Yeah. I think also Sabbath seems to be the, an idea everyone loves. Mm-hmm. But it's a practice that's really hard to do. Mm-hmm. Still, yeah. It's like, yeah, I wanna do that. But then it's, you gotta change your life mm-hmm. To really get it into the rhythm.
Um, what did your perception, and I love that by the way, Shaley so many forget that it's a commandment. Yeah. And that's the irony cuz it's the one commandment that says remember. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Cause he knew that we'd forget. Um, do as. You know, when we went through that for those four weeks, how did your perception of Sabbath kind of slowly change?
What were some of the, like the gold nuggets for you of, oh, this is how we can begin to do it. Or here's, I thought it meant this thing, like legalistic or something and maybe it's something different. Talk to me about that. Um, so like, going through those four weeks and everything, I, I definitely learned a lot more about Sabbath than in, uh, the LDS faith, you know, cuz again, it's mentioned and it's talked about like, hey, you know, let's.
Sunday, it's Sabbath day. Um, we can't really like break the Sabbath, but I guess I never really understood what that meant, you know? So, uh, going through those four weeks, I got a good understanding of what it actually meant, um, and just kind of helped, helped me like, okay, when you do Sabbath, that doesn't necessarily mean.
Sit on the couch and do nothing all day. You know, it, it, it's a refreshing day. You know, like, like for us, uh, I'm pretty sure this is a question to ask us, but, you know, we go to the store, we refresh for the week. We, we do what we need to do, so that way our week looks great. Um, which we do that after church.
Uh, and then basically we have a good four to five hours to one, do nothing. Uh, and then. Like we take an hour or like 30 minutes to 45 minutes to pray together, to read scripture, to actually put God time in. Um, because when, when you do rest physically, that's great. However, physical rest will never actually be rest unless you put God into it.
Mm-hmm. Can you ask me the question one more time? That's a word. Yeah, yeah. Um, no. Yeah. What were some of the things that you began to learn, you know, so maybe some of that resistance you felt before and what were some of the key Oh, this helped me begin to, to to practice Sabbath, kind of those unlocks for you.
So I think, um, you know, as my, my previous, what I had known of Sabbath was only stopping. That's what it meant. And, um, you know, when you really got to the part, It's not just about stopping, it's about putting Jesus in there and finding rest from him. That, that was honestly probably like the eye-opening.
Oh, I get it now. Um, it's really putting him in the center. Otherwise it doesn't, it doesn't really help. All that much. Yeah. To use the phrase of Eugene Peterson, it becomes a bastard Sabbath where it's like illegitimate, right? Yeah. Um, it feels weird saying that word, but Yeah. I was a little shocked to said that, and Jordan was like, why did you say that?
You know? But in different context, you know, I, I was, yeah. It's the right context. Yes. Um, so when you guys first started mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. To Sabbath, what were some of like the frustrations, the failures you experienced? Because none. Prac do it perfectly ever. Mm-hmm. Like even, you know, I've been doing it for a few years now and even like a couple weeks ago I was like, that might have been my worst Sabbath ever.
You know? Like I just did not do it well. Yeah. So what were some of the things that had been frustrating thing, rhythms that you've been trying to learn and It's just been hard. I'll say one. I'll say one first. I think it was the first Sabbath that we did and we had just like finished eating dinner and I was like, oh, well there's a couple dishes so I'm just gonna put them away.
And Cade was like, that's not Sabbath. And I was. You're right. Mm-hmm. You're right. We clean, we clean throughout the week. So it's like you just load it into the dishwasher and then you don't have to. Yeah. Um, but I didn't do that the first one cuz I didn't realize like, we gotta prepare for Sabbath on Sunday.
The home stuff is what I hear the most. Just laundry, well married couple dishes, all that stuff is constantly a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, which we actually found a way to put laundry into kind of a god time. Yeah. Um, We watched the chosen, which cool. Highly recommended. Mm-hmm. Uh, and we'll fold clothes we'll while watching that.
So it kind of adds to that, you know, God time. But yeah, we were saying that like if you can like gamify it or do something where it's a joy, Um, like what I'm doing, we, I'm meal prepping during Sabbath now where I'm grilling chicken for the week. Nice. But like, I love it, like I love the smell. Mm-hmm. And I have worship music on, so it's like, yeah.
It's a hack, you know? It's like, yeah. This is a joyful thing. I can really both enjoying, I'm finding joy in the Lord. Yeah. Um, but like, I'm willing if God was like, don't do this. Like, okay, I won't do it anymore, but it's not, you know, like mm-hmm. It's usually the thing that's like, no, I, I can't stop doing it.
That's the thing. You should probably stop. Right. But if I'm like, no, it's a joyful thing. Yeah. Keep going. Yeah. Um, what are some other failures? Like even mentally, like has it been hard? Um, has it been hard to, to declare, okay, this was a good one. You know, like, we had a good Sabbath. Have you struggled with some of that?
No. I mean, like, like our, um, Let's see. I'm trying to think like our third Sabbath, I would say like this, what? This last one was our third. No, this was like fourth or fifth. Oh, well, our third, fourth, and fifth. I would say we're pretty good, you know, because we, we really did stop, you know, we did our, our what we call our Sunday schedule, where we go to church.
Go to church, go to the store, get home, have those few hours just to kind of relax and do nothing. Watch a TV show, play some video games. Um, and then we do dinner together. Mm-hmm. And that's dinner's really where we do our big Jesus time. We read, yeah. We are praying, we're asking each other like, faith, faith, growing questions.
Yeah. Have you been able yet to include other people in it? Like have you had some people over or We, we did it with his family kind. Um, but it was more like, obviously cuz they, they believe a little bit differently than us, so like yeah. It wasn't exactly the same. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, and I think another thing we talked about was that we, we normally are host mm-hmm.
To things like we have friends over for game nights and things of that nature. So we kind of also said that even though yes, having people over for Sabbath is, is great and we can do some of our Sabbath practices with them. Um, we also kind of agreed that maybe. Us not hosting on Sabbath is also a better idea because we do we'll like do com community, is that the right word?
Like stuff with them on like either a Monday or a Saturday. Mm-hmm. At least once a week we'll have a group of friends over and do dinner and, and you guys do, church is a part of your Sabbath, so like Right. We've had community and the audience Yeah, exactly. And all that. Yeah. Totally. That's great. Yeah. Um, and I think it's so health healthy to know each season has something different.
Right now, you know, Hey, we're gonna go to other people's place, or we're gonna hope Yeah. That's, that's awesome. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Were you gonna say something? Yeah, because you, you were asking about failures, so I feel like, um, I should put this one out, that I feel like the first and maybe the second time, we really didn't, we didn't have a Jesus time schedule where we really worked that in there.
And so I feel like, like it was cool to stop, but I was like, yeah, I don't know about this. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I was like, yeah, it's, it's okay. I just feel like we're doing nothing but watching tv. And then we slowly started to. Be very particular about what we watch, and that's when it started to get better.
And then we started to adding the Jesus time during dinner and no tv, nothing else on. Yeah. And that started to improve and that's part of our fault because we were like, Hey, we're just trying to get people to stop first. Yeah. Anything else like step one, week one, Hey, don't do anything. Yeah. First, the two first two weeks were.
To take away. Mm-hmm. Right. And then the next two were like, okay, now yeah, let's add, let's add. See. But I, I think that that was super great. I think that was super smart to do because kind of like how I realized, I feel like I wasn't the only person that realized that. Like, you can rest, but you'll like, like I said, you'll never feel that unless you actually put God in it.
Yeah. So it was like super, super smart to do. Nice to tell people to stop and then incorporate God. It's like people, they'll never stop. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So let's, let's talk about that. So the four steps, do you remember them? What are the four words? Oh, geez. I didn't know I was gonna be quiz today. The first one.
Stop. Stop. Stop.
I'm quitting my job. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Rest. Okay. Good job. Okay. Stop job rest. To be fair, we didn't actually see the third one. Okay. So yeah, worship. Okay. Fourth? No, worship's the fourth. That's the fourth one. But was I knew three. Yeah. Delight. Delight. Delight. Yeah. Yeah. We missed that. We missed one delight in, uh, you can go back to the podcast, by the way.
And for those who missed it, go to Pastor Creek Church YouTube. Yeah. So delight in ourselves and others in creation and in God, right? Mm-hmm. So that's like a lot of different delight practices. Um, what has come easiest to you? And then what's come hardest out of the stop? Rest delight. Worship paradigm.
Easiest is worship. That's, you know, we, we already throughout the week listened to worship music. Um, I feel like it increased though when we started doing Sabbath. Cuz not only did we make Sundays a complete worship day, like we don't listen to anything else except for, you know, Christian worship. That.
Then on our off days, on our normal work days, we started listening to more Christian music as well. Yeah, like, like I find myself within the work week, um, usually going between my two playlists, which are, well, my two favorite playlists, which is country music. Which I know you don't like as much and, and, and worship music.
My wife is making me like it, enjoying it more and more, but I don't want to admit that. Right. Yeah. Worship is also like so many other things other than music, right? Mm-hmm. And like, I love that you guys are like reading scripture. That's a form of worship, praying. Mm-hmm. There's so much there. Um, which one is the, the hardest?
I would say, I would say scripture. To me it was, it's always hardest to do scripture. And, and that's, it wasn't one of the four. Oh, I'm sorry. No, that counts within worship, so. Oh, okay. Does it? Yeah. Yeah. So worship has been easiest, but also worship has been hardest, I guess we could say. Okay. You know, because reading, reading scripture for me has always been hard.
I, like, I'm trying to, he's not a reader. I'm not, and I'm actually doing like the Bible and ear challenge, but I'm listening to somebody read it, if that makes sense. So like I, I kind of found a way out of the reading part. So our next, you know, we're doing these formed. Teachings. Mm-hmm. Right. The next one, which will come in May, is formed by scripture.
Mm-hmm. So hopefully they can empower you some more. Yeah. Hopefully help you, but be encouraged. Yeah. For the first 1500 years of the church's existence, the primary mode of what people would hear would, would, intake scripture, would be through listening. Mm-hmm. So it was not written for the common language, like later on, cuz they made it to Latin Vulgate.
I can go into weird history here. Mm-hmm. But you'd have to go to the church and hear the priest. Right. Read it. Mm-hmm. So, which the invention of the printing press was huge. So now we all have a Bible in our hands. Right. And now online we have it on our phones. Mm-hmm. So we now primarily consume it with reading.
Mm-hmm. But the other thing that's different is it used to be the primary mode of listening to scripture was in community. You would all get. And kind of process it in community. Now we view it as such a isolated event. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's just me and, and me and God. Yeah. So it's really interesting that in many ways we need to find more ways to get back to reading and community.
So it's really cool that you guys do that together too. Yeah. That's really helpful. Yeah, we, we, we found out that, um, like we do it a little differently, you know, where We'll, we will. First we'll pray and we'll just ask God to convict us of something through the scripture. Mm-hmm. Like show us something that we need to see to work on throughout the week.
Yeah, that's good. Or just something you need us to see. We'll flip through, stop, pick a passage and just so that way we don't like get it out of context. We'll read the entire passage and have that like, Conviction conversation of, okay, what do you think God's trying to tell us in this? Mm-hmm. And, um, it's, yeah, like, what does it mean for our lives, kind of thing.
Yeah. So what's been the hardest for you? I don't know, because like for me it's to stop. Like just that first part. It's like, oh, I wanna keep, I wanna get this done. I wanna get that done. I guess it would be that, because like if I don't, like I hadn't prepped the first time we did it. Like I hadn't done the things on Saturday that I wanted to get.
And then on Sunday, like the house is a mess. You got dirty dishes and dirty clothes. Like that's hard for me to stop because I wanna be prepared for Monday. Yeah. But I also wanna get that spiritual rest. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's very tough. Mm-hmm. Um, how has your view of God been shaped or changed in light of practicing Sabbath?
I definitely feel like he talks to. For sure. Mm-hmm. Uh, I definitely, I definitely feel like throughout my week, um, I've, I've seen God's hand more, you know, in doing this. And, um, you know, just in, in just regular things, you know, where it, where it's, uh, like one Sunday, um, we went to Walmart and there was just this lady that couldn't find her car.
Mm-hmm. And you. We, we helped her do it. It took, you know, maybe 20 minutes to do. Yeah. But it was just one of those things where it's like, you know, God has been putting more and more conversations and more and more things to show Christlike love. Yeah, that's great. Throughout the week in my job and just every day.
So that's so good for multiple, multiple ways. Like Sabbath does change our relationship with time. Mm-hmm. Right. We're able to be interrupted more. We're we recognize, I don't have to rush. I don't. Okay. You're, you're, you have awareness of what God is telling you, what God is doing around you. All that happens by, you know, once a week really focusing just on him.
Mm-hmm. It gives you that muscle. To notice that down the road. And then you're also realizing, oh, I'm not in a hurry. Mm-hmm. As much as I thought I needed to. Um, and I love how you're pointing out that Sabbath has changed your, your week, not just your day. Yeah. You know, not just that Sabbath day. It really does begin to change everything.
And you're, you know, just a few, you know, six or seven weeks in, so, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. See what, what comes, um, what about you? Can you ask me the question one more? What has, uh, ha has Sabbath changed or shaped your view of God in like a different. Mm. That's an interesting question. Okay. Because, um, we do our Bible time kind of separately, or at least we did do right before we started implementing it in on Sundays.
Together wise, we didn't really, well, we prayed together, but not that much. I would say, you know, it was like a simple dinner prayer before we ate. Um, but since we started really focusing on that on Sabbath, I feel like I've seen God. Like us closer together. I feel like it's been really uniting, um, for us to be closer to him as well as each other because, you know, like the married couple, like bickering back and forth about little things here and there, uh, that, that used to be, they used to happen a lot.
And I feel like since we started doing the Sabbath and since we started putting God in the middle of not just like our week, but us. I feel like he's just shown up and just kind of like improved that Yes. Where we don't, don't have those little tiny arguments because you know, it's not, it doesn't matter.
Yeah. And I mean, you were there, you officiated the wedding, but we, when we did the three strand mm-hmm. Um, ceremony, like, you know, that was us kind of saying like, we were gonna have like three people in this relationship. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Us and God, and. Even though we ourselves had a relationship with God, we didn't really start implementing that promise that we made until we actually started practicing Sabbath together and mixing our God time in with each other's God time.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, that's wonderful. And that's, I feel like that's really how God's shown up mm-hmm. In our relationship is really what I've noticed. Yeah, that's good. That's really good. Mm-hmm. Um, so much of that is just intentionality, right? Mm-hmm. Right. It's just, let's do this and it's just amazing what God does with an intentional schedule.
Mm-hmm. I like to say often that God, um, God doesn't necessarily use the person with the greatest intentions. He uses the person who's most intentional, right? Yeah. We all have great intentions. Hell is paved with good intentions, right? Right. But us actually being intentional and doing those things creates that space for, for grace.
Um, so that's really good. Um, I do wanna encourage people as they're listening, like, I think what happens so often is so great, like when you start a new practice, Like, I love hearing your guys' story cuz it's like a honeymoon stage. Mm-hmm. It's just like, yeah. There's just so much joy and it's a lot of fun.
And so I love that part. Like when I started in 2018, like for the first six months I was just on cloud nine. I was like, this is the greatest thing ever. Every week it's better. I love my wife more, I love my children more. I love God more. Um, but then like me and Caleb talk, like to talk about the J curve.
Mm-hmm. So what happens is like you get progress. This is good because God is entrusting you with maturity. It begins to get hard. Right? It begins to, but that's the process of growth cuz then it shoots up again. Mm-hmm. Right. Um, so even so far, like are you noticing some things of like, oh, this is. This is gonna be difficult for us to keep doing or, you know, or, or, or is it just pure honeymoon stage?
You're loving it? Like, I feel like it'll get harder definitely when like, we start to have kids and that'll take, like, different seasons are going to have to change and it's gonna look way different. But yeah, I mean, as of right now running, it's so great. You're making it, uh, foundational so that when you have kids, you already have that muscle.
They're gonna learn with you. Right. You'll find, I know like the baby, baby stage, that's a whole nother world. But like the, our kids love Sabbath. Yeah. They can wait for Sabbath. It's so special to them too. Which is why I feel like, like him as a kid, he didn't love Sabbath. Mm-hmm. And so like, I'm really excited, you know, for when we are in that stage and doing things with our kids to, you know.
Yeah. And it's definitely one of those things too, like as, as head of the household with one of my responsibilities is even if for some reason our. Kids are kind of like, ah, you know, I don't really wanna sit here and listen to scripture. I'm, I wanna make it a thing to where at least we will do it, you know?
Mm-hmm. Because, you know, even if we can't rope our kids in now, if they keep seeing like, you know, oh, mom and dad are doing it. Mm-hmm. Oh, their relationship is great because they're doing it, then it'll sound a good foundation for them when they get married. You know, thinking way in the future though. But like the, you know, at least then they'll be like, oh, My dad and my mom did this, I want to do this.
Yeah. And there's mm-hmm. There's a real truth behind, um, you know, like if, if you, so, like so many parents had talked about, like, kids were like, yeah, I was forced to go to church. That's typically because their parents didn't like church either. They're forcing themselves to go. Right. So it's, it's so great that typically if you love it, your kids will love it.
Right. And so really it's. There is certain things that me and my wife do that we're just not expecting of the kids. But there are baseline foundational things like mm-hmm. Yeah, we're teaching you, this is a way to live. This is the way to life. We're not gonna have the TV on at this time, and we're not, you know, so you just really continue to invite them.
But also there are some rules, but you don't have kids yet, so we're not gonna, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're good. Um, so what are some like tips, encouragement, advice you would give to somebody who's maybe interested in Sabbath has never done it before? More God time, for sure. Mm-hmm. Like, Because it like this point was so important to me and, and I, I will press it and keep pressing it and I've said it at church.
I'm saying it on this podcast like for the third time now, but you can stop. It's possible to stop. I have had days in my week where I will get home early and I will have two hours before Shaylee comes home, where I just sit, watch tv, play video games, and that's. And you feel rest, but at the same time, I'm gonna be just as tired as I am if I work.
I feel like until five, I feel like you feel relaxed. Mm-hmm. You don't feel rested. Right. Exactly. Uh, and until, and, and again with Sunday, right before we, we talked about worship and stuff like that, when it came to Sabbath, it was just us stopping watching tv wa you know, playing video games and, and things of that nature and.
Like, it was great and I felt relaxed like Shaley said, but you know, until we actually did implement God time where we, we actually prayed about our week instead of just over dinner and until we started reading scripture, asking God to convict us of things and to work on things, um, like you never really felt that rest.
And I, I guess I would like try to say, like, the advice I would give is, you know, if you have those couple minutes, At dinnertime. Just when you're sitting there with either your partner or even if you're alone just sitting there and you're ki trying to think of something to do with your time, open up the Bible.
Mm-hmm. Or, or get on your knees and have a conversation with, you know, your father in heaven because that, that right there, that is where you're actually going to feel your rest, you know? Yeah. And I think the biggest thing, what I try to do too, um, shout out to you for saying, convict me what I do on Sabbath, cuz I.
You know, this is day not to stress, not to worry. So I just, I, I read the passages about Thanksgiving. Like I, I think about God, here's why I'm grateful for you. Mm-hmm. Here's what I, mm-hmm. You look around God, thank you for this. God, thank you for that. You know, it's just such a sweet time. Like there are times to grieve before God.
There's times to say, God, I want this in my life. And it's not here yet, but Sabbath is a great way of saying God. All those things. Yes, you. There are desires in my heart, but more than I just want you, and I'm grateful for where I'm at. Mm-hmm. I'm grateful that, you know, hey, I'm not where I used to be.
Right. And it's just a wonderful time. See? Yeah. I love that. There's just em emphasizing God time. It's, I mean, it's the whole point, right? It's to honor the Lord. It's, it's, uh, it's his day, not ours. Um, but it, it, it does benefit us. I had a mentor that told me, um, in college, and it didn't make sense to me for a while.
But he said there's a huge difference between laziness and rest. Mm-hmm. So like TV binge watching is laziness. Right. But it's not the spiritual rest that we see in the scriptures. Mm-hmm. Now it's not evil in and of itself and in moderation. It's a wonderful thing. Right. But it's not the, the soul filling rest, and that's what you're saying?
Yes. Yeah. Any tips or encouragements from you? Um, my tip would be to prepare for Sabbath. So do the house stuff that you need to do, do the work stuff that you need to. And then when it's Sunday, then that, then it's not a worry. Or when, whenever you start your, you know, Sabbath, then it's not a worry. You don't have to stress about that and think about, okay, Monday morning, I gotta get that done.
Yeah. Cuz you've already done it. So as long as you're making time. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, thank you for coming. Yeah, of course. And you, Dr. You live far so you drove very far for this, so I appreciate that. Yeah. Grace and peace to you. Of course. You wanna shout out your YouTube channel? I was gonna, I I was gonna leave it out, you know, but.
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Grace and peace.
