Retired U.S. Army Colonel Karl Nell — a key figure in the Pentagon’s UAP research efforts — recently made waves by declaring that UAP disclosure is dead. In this episode, Ryan Sprague unpacks Nell’s remarks through his essay “Frankenstein and Flying Saucers” from the acclaimed book UFOs: Reframing the Debate (edited by Robbie Graham). Drawing on the insights of Carl Jung, Jacques Vallée, Jenny Randles, David Clarke, and Greg Bishop, Ryan explores how our understanding of UFOs mirrors Frankenstein’s creation — a reflection of humanity’s fears, desires, and need to define the unknown. This thought-provoking discussion challenges the “extraterrestrial” assumption and asks: could the truth behind UFOs lie not in the stars, but within ourselves?

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