In the fourth episode in the series, Andrew and Rori follow up the conversations that have been had on what it means at an individual level to be black, with a discussion on what it means at an organisational level. There are a range of organisations in South Africa that describe themselves and indeed prefix their names with the word "black"; the question that is explored in this show - with the help of Sandile Zungu of the Black Business Council and Tryphosa Ramano of the Association for Black Securities and Investment Professionals - is how their stated blackness impacts on their values, culture, strategy, and operations. www.cliffcentral.com