Friendship Matters

When something you hoped for falls apart, what helps you try again?

SEASON 6: Friendship Authors. Episode 7

Failure can feel like evidence that we are not capable enough, especially when we turn one disappointing outcome into a story about who we are. In this episode of Friendship Matters, Donna and Lisa talk with Deborah Grayson Riegel, author of Aim High and Bounce Back, about changing our relationship with failure. Deb explains why resilience includes making room for disappointment, learning from what happened, and letting other people support us along the way.

In this conversation, you'll hear:

• Why failure can feel personal, and how to treat it as information instead of identity.

• How small experiments can help you build the courage to try again.

• Why rushing past grief can make it harder to move forward.

• Deb's three steps for bouncing back: ground, gather, and go.

• How to ask for help clearly and offer a friend the kind of support they actually need.

Why listen? If you are carrying a disappointment, avoiding a risk, or wondering how to help someone through a hard season, this conversation offers a more humane way forward. You do not need to have your feelings sorted out before you reach for a friend. And you do not have to find your next step alone.

Friendship Matters Guest

Deborah Grayson Riegel is a keynote speaker, executive coach, and consultant who has taught leadership communication for Wharton Business School, Duke's Fuqua Business School, Columbia Business School's Women in Leadership Program, and the Beijing International MBA Program at Peking University.

She writes on leadership communication and presentation skills for Harvard Business Review, Inc., Psychology Today, Forbes, and Fast Company, and has been featured in Bloomberg Businessweek, The Wall Street Journal, and The New York Times. Deborah's clients range from Amazon, Blackrock, and Google to J&J, NASA, and The United States Army.

She is the author of "Aim High and Bounce Back: A Successful Woman's Guide to Rethinking and Rising Up from Failure", Go to Help: 31 Strategies to Offer, Ask for, and Accept Help" and "Overcoming Overthinking: 36 Ways to Tame Anxiety for Work, School, and Life".

You can find her online at www.deborahgraysonriegel.com

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What if the technology blamed for making us lonelier could help us build real friendships again?

SEASON 6: Friendship Authors. Episode 6

Loneliness and social isolation affect millions of people, yet simply understanding the problem has not brought us closer together. In this episode of Friendship Matters, Donna Brighton and Dr. Russ Skinner talk with serial entrepreneur and Dying for Friendship and Community coauthor Pete Odell about using technology as a catalyst for real human connection. Pete challenges the idea that digital companions can replace human relationships and shares a more hopeful possibility: technology that helps people discover shared interests, gather in person, reconnect with old friends, and form relationships that extend beyond a screen.

In this episode, you will hear:

• Why loneliness is not only a personal struggle, but also a serious public health and economic issue
• How convenience, social media, and changing social habits have weakened our ability to meet people and build friendships
• Why AI should serve as your wingman, not become a substitute for a real friend
• How shared interests can make it easier to move from strangers to acquaintances and eventually to friends
• Why reconnecting with an old friend may be just as valuable as trying to make a new one
• How the Friendship Event Kit helps people connect before reunions, workplace gatherings, neighborhood events, conferences, and other group experiences
• How organizations can strengthen employee relationships, belonging, retention, and collaboration by helping people discover what they share beyond work
• Why privacy matters when technology is used to support personal relationships
• What individuals, employers, communities, and government can do to help rebuild our social muscles

Why listen to this episode?

Many conversations about loneliness explain the problem without offering a practical way forward. This episode offers both hope and action. It will help you think differently about technology, networking, and the small choices that allow friendship to grow. Whether you want to create a more meaningful gathering, strengthen relationships at work, reconnect with someone from your past, or make it easier to meet new people, you will leave with practical ideas for turning connection from a good intention into something you actually do.

Friendship Matters Guest

Pete O'Dell is the Chief Executive Officer of www.Perdata.ai, a startup addressing the worldwide loneliness epidemic by helping people meet other people in real life based on shared interests and passions. He serves as a Director of Swan Island Networks, a global open-source intelligence provider he helped found after 9/11. He has four years of military service in the United States Army and has a BA and MBA in Business. He's a fanatical global fly fisherman, bourbon lover and a poor golfer. His new book co-authored with his co-founder Johan Wikman is Dying for Friendship and Community: Two old friends attack loneliness.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterlodell/

https://www.friendshipevent.com

[email protected]

Book: Dying for Friendship and Community: Two old friends attack lonelinesss

Kit: www.friendshipevent.com - full digital kit for events up to 100 participants

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The Friendship Matters™ podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for the guidance provided by medical professionals directly involved in your care. Do not use information shared on the podcast for the diagnosis or treatment of any type of health problem. Because we care about your wellbeing, please raise any health concerns immediately with your personal medical providers.

What if the way to feel closer to someone is to laugh with them?

SEASON 6: Friendship Authors. Episode 5

In this episode of Friendship Matters, Lisa talks with comedian and author Adam Christing about the role humor plays in friendship. Adam shares why a shared laugh can build trust, make it easier to be ourselves, and help someone feel seen. You do not have to be a comedian to create those moments. Adam believes each of us has a "laugh language," a natural way of bringing joy to others.

In this conversation, you'll hear about:

• Why laughing with someone strengthens connection, while laughing at them can cause harm.
• How inside jokes become a language shared between friends.
• Why listening matters as much as timing when you use humor.
• How laughing at your own mistakes can give others permission to be themselves.
• How to recognize your own laugh language and notice what delights the people you care about.
• Why leaders can use humor to invite participation and help people feel at ease.

Why listen? This episode offers a fresh way to think about friendship. Humor is more than a reaction to something funny. Used with care, it can be an invitation: I see you. I enjoy being with you. You can be yourself here. Adam offers simple ways to bring more of that feeling into everyday conversations.

Friendship Matters Guest

Adam Christing brings people together with humor and heart! He is a laughter expert, popular keynote speaker, and award-winning event emcee. Adam has delighted more than two million people across 49 of the 50 U.S. states and internationally.

He serves as President of CleanComedians.com and is a member of Hollywood's world-famous Magic Castle. Featured on Harvard Business Review's IdeaCast and over 100 top podcasts and TV programs, Adam inspires leaders to empower their teams with positive humor and authenticity. Adam's new book is The Laughter Factor: The 5 Humor Tactics to Lift, Link, and Lead (Penguin Random House).

Where to find Adam Adam Christing | Inspiring Speaker & Event Emcee LinkedIn

DON'T MISS...

The Laughter Factor Book – Written by Adam Christing

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The Friendship Matters™ podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for the guidance provided by medical professionals directly involved in your care. Do not use information shared on the podcast for the diagnosis or treatment of any type of health problem. Because we care about your wellbeing, please raise any health concerns immediately with your personal medical providers.

Have you ever wondered whether trust is something you choose, or something your brain is wired to create?

SEASON 6: Friendship Authors. Episode 4

What if the secret to stronger friendships, better leadership, greater happiness, and even a longer life isn't just found in mindset or communication skills, but in your biology? In this fascinating conversation, internationally recognized neuroscientist and neuroeconomist Dr. Paul Zak shares decades of groundbreaking research on oxytocin, trust, and human connection. He explains why meaningful relationships are essential for health and performance, how leaders can intentionally create high trust cultures, and why happiness can actually be measured. From practical friendship habits to the science behind emotional fitness, this episode offers a powerful blend of neuroscience and actionable strategies that can transform the way you connect with others.

In this episode you'll discover:

• Why trust is rooted in biology, not simply personality or intention.
• How oxytocin shapes empathy, generosity, cooperation, and meaningful relationships.
• The surprising connection between rich social networks, longevity, and overall health.
• Why short periods of shared challenge actually strengthen friendships and teams.
• Leadership practices that build trust, psychological safety, and innovation.
• How transparency and autonomy create stronger workplace cultures.
• Why happiness depends less on achievement and more on meaningful human connection.
• The science behind Dr. Zak's concept of six daily "key moments" that help people thrive.
• How his free Six app measures emotional fitness and helps strengthen relationships.
• Simple daily habits that anyone can use to build deeper friendships and improve well being.

Why listen to this episode?

If you've ever wanted stronger friendships, a healthier workplace, or a more fulfilling life, this episode provides something rare: research that is both scientifically rigorous and immediately practical. Dr. Zak translates decades of neuroscience into simple actions anyone can apply, whether you're leading an organization, building a family, or simply trying to become a better friend. You'll leave with a deeper understanding of why connection matters, how your brain is designed for relationships, and practical tools that can help you build a happier, healthier, and more connected life.

Friendship Matters Guest

Dr. Paul J. Zak is Distinguished University Professor at Claremont Graduate University and is in the top 0.3% of most cited scientists. Paul's three decades of research extending the boundaries of behavioral neuroscience have taken him from the Pentagon to Fortune 50 boardrooms to the rainforest of Papua New Guinea. In 2017 he founded Immersion Neuroscience, a software platform that allows anyone to measure what the brain loves in real-time that is used to improve outcomes in entertainment, education, advertising, live events, and emotional health. He is a regular TED speaker and appears in the media regularly. https://pauljzak.com

DON'T MISS…

SIX the app to identify your peak moments

The Little Book of Happiness: A Scientific Approach to Living Better or any of Paul's excellent books including IMMERSION, the TRUST Factor and the Moral Molecule

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The Friendship Matters™ podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for the guidance provided by medical professionals directly involved in your care. Do not use information shared on the podcast for the diagnosis or treatment of any type of health problem. Because we care about your wellbeing, please raise any health concerns immediately with your personal medical providers.

What if the key to a healthier, happier, and longer life isn't another productivity hack, but a friendship you've neglected for years?

SEASON 6: Friendship Authors. Episode 3

Join us as we sit down with Johan Wikman, CTO, entrepreneur, and co-author of Dying for Friendship and Community. What begins as a conversation about technology quickly evolves into a powerful exploration of loneliness, friendship, community, and the human need for connection. Johan shares how his effort to build technology that brings people together revealed a surprising reality: many people today have few close friends, and some have none at all.

Together, they explore why meaningful relationships matter, how friendship influences our health and well-being, and what practical steps we can take to reconnect in an increasingly disconnected world.

In This Episode, You'll Discover:

• Why Johan and his co-author shifted from building technology to writing a book about friendship and community.
• What defines a true friend versus an acquaintance or casual connection.
• Why reconnecting with old friends may be easier and more valuable than making new ones.
• How technology can either contribute to loneliness or help foster meaningful, in person connections.
• Why workplace relationships matter more than many leaders realize.
• The connection between friendship, employee retention, team performance, and organizational culture.
• Practical ways to build community and create belonging in your personal and professional life.
• Simple actions anyone can take today to strengthen connection and combat isolation.

Why Listen to This Episode?

If you've ever wondered why it feels harder to make friends, maintain relationships, or find a genuine sense of belonging, this conversation offers both insight and hope. Johan brings a refreshing blend of personal experience, technological innovation, and practical wisdom to a topic that affects all of us. Rather than offering quick fixes, he reminds us that friendship is not something we stumble into. It is something we intentionally build.

This episode will challenge you to think differently about the relationships in your life, inspire you to reconnect with people who matter, and provide actionable ideas for creating stronger friendships, deeper community, and greater well-being. Whether you're a leader, professional, parent, entrepreneur, or simply someone seeking more meaningful connection, this conversation offers an important reminder: friendship is not a luxury. It is one of the foundations of a thriving life.

Learn more, get the BOOK. Dying for Friendship and Community; Two Old Friends Attack Loneliness by Peter O'Dell and Johan Wikman

Friendship Matters Guest

Johan Wikman, CTO and Co-founder at Perdata.ai, is a technologist, entrepreneur, community builder and first time author who has spent decades studying how people connect. He brings a practical, lived understanding of loneliness, informed by leading teams and paying attention to where connection quietly breaks down in everyday settings. He lives in the Pacific Northwest with his best friend and life partner, Sheila. He runs and hikes long distances to think clearly and stay grounded. As a CTO and founder, his recent work has focused on the human cost of disconnection. At the core of his work is a simple belief: Strong human connection makes life better and keeps people alive longer.

Connect with Johan at https://linkedin.com/in/jwikman

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The Friendship Matters™ podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for the guidance provided by medical professionals directly involved in your care. Do not use information shared on the podcast for the diagnosis or treatment of any type of health problem. Because we care about your wellbeing, please raise any health concerns immediately with your personal medical providers.

What if your friendships are not failing… but your system for building them is?

SEASON 6: Friendship Authors. Episode 2

This episode explores a powerful shift in how we think about connection, moving from individual relationships to what friendship expert, Jeffrey Hall calls a "social biome." Instead of seeing friendship as something that just happens, the conversation reframes it as a living system shaped by how you spend your time, where you invest your energy, and the daily patterns you follow. Grounded in research, the episode challenges common assumptions about loneliness, social media, and connection, while offering practical, evidence-based ways to build meaningful and sustainable relationships.

What you'll hear in this episode:

• The concept of the social biome and how your environment shapes your relationships
• Why friendship takes far more time than most people expect
• The truth about the loneliness epidemic, what research actually shows versus media narratives
• A nuanced take on social media and AI, including when they help and when they harm
• The idea of "social calories" and what makes interactions nourishing versus empty
• How partner responsiveness builds deep, meaningful connection
• Why there is no perfect number of friends, only a question of social nourishment
• Practical strategies to strengthen your social world:
  • Build consistent routines for connection
  • Show up and demonstrate commitment
  • Create small moments of everyday connection

Why listen to this episode:

If you care about connection, leadership, well-being, or simply living a more meaningful life, this episode reframes friendship from something passive into something intentional and actionable. It challenges popular narratives, replaces them with research-backed insight, and gives you a clear lens to evaluate your own "social health." Most importantly, it offers a hopeful message: meaningful connection is not out of reach, but it does require deliberate choices, consistent effort, and a shift from focusing on yourself to investing in others.

Learn more, get the BOOK. The Social Biome: How Everyday Comunication Connects and Shapes Us by Andy J. Merolla and Jeffrey A. Hall

Friendship Matters Guest

Jeffrey Hall is a Professor of Communication Studies at the University of Kansas. He was a visiting scholar at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law. Hall is an internationally recognized expert on friendship, and the author of "How Many Hours Does it Take to Make a Friend?" He is the author of two books: Relating Through Technology and The Social Biome. He has written for the Wall Street Journal about building friendships, Gen Z workplace friendships, navigating digital media, and forming meaningful connections.

Connect with him:

JeffreyHallPhD@Instragram

www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-hall-31304572

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The Friendship Matters™ podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for the guidance provided by medical professionals directly involved in your care. Do not use information shared on the podcast for the diagnosis or treatment of any type of health problem. Because we care about your wellbeing, please raise any health concerns immediately with your personal medical providers.

What if connection is not accidental, but something you can intentionally create, measure, and improve?

SEASON 6: Friendship Authors. Episode 1

This episode explores the science and psychology behind human connection through the lens of a former FBI behavioral analyst, Dr. John R. Schafer. Drawing from high stakes counterintelligence work, he explains how trust, likability, and influence are not mysterious traits, but predictable patterns of behavior. The conversation moves beyond tactics and raises a deeper question about authenticity. If we can engineer connection, how do we ensure it remains real and meaningful? The discussion connects these principles to friendship, leadership, and modern challenges like digital communication and social isolation.

What you will learn in this episode:

• The "friendship formula": proximity, frequency, duration, and intensity as the conditions that drive relationship formation
• How nonverbal signals like eye contact, head tilt, and smiling trigger trust and emotional bonding
• Why making others feel good about themselves is the most reliable path to likability
• Practical techniques such as empathetic statements and finding common ground to build rapport quickly
• The concept of "curiosity hooks" and how to draw people toward you instead of chasing connection
• Why digital communication weakens connection by removing critical nonverbal cues
• How these principles apply to leadership, workplace relationships, and networking
• The ethical line between intentional connection and manipulation, and how awareness protects you

Why listen to this episode:

If you are serious about improving relationships, this episode gives you a structured, evidence-informed framework rather than vague advice. It translates instinctive social behaviors into repeatable skills you can apply immediately, whether in friendships, leadership, or professional environments. It also challenges a common assumption that connection should be effortless. Instead, it shows that meaningful relationships require intentionality, consistency, and awareness of how others experience you.

More importantly, it addresses a growing gap. As communication shifts toward screens, many people are losing the ability to build real connection. This conversation makes clear what is being lost and how to rebuild it with practical, observable behaviors that actually work.

Learn more, get the BOOK: The Like Switch: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Influencing, Attracting, and Winning People Over by Dr. Jack Schafer

Friendship Matters Guest

Dr. John R. Schafer is a retired FBI Special Agent who is currently employed as a professor at Western Illinois University. Dr. Schafer served as a behavioral analyst assigned to the FBI's National Security Behavioral Analysis Program. Dr. Schafer earned a Ph.D. in psychology from Fielding Graduate University, Santa Barbara, California. Dr. Schafer owns his own consulting company and lectures and consults in the United States and abroad. He authored a book titled, "The Like Switch: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Influencing, Attracting, and Winning People Over." He also co-authored a book titled "Advanced Interviewing Techniques: Proven Strategies for Law Enforcement, Military, and Security Personnel." He has published numerous articles on a wide range of topics including the psychopathology of hate, ethics in law enforcement, detecting deception, and the universal principles of criminal behavior. Dr. Schafer's latest book is "The Truth Detector: An Ex-FBI's Guide to Getting People to Reveal the Truth."

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The Friendship Matters™ podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for the guidance provided by medical professionals directly involved in your care. Do not use information shared on the podcast for the diagnosis or treatment of any type of health problem. Because we care about your wellbeing, please raise any health concerns immediately with your personal medical providers.

What if friendship isn't just something nice to have, but something your body actually depends on to function well?

SEASON 5: Friendship, Wellbeing and Wellness. Episode 8 (wrap up episode)

This episode brings the entire wellness series full circle by reframing connection as a biological necessity rather than a social luxury. Drawing on physiology, neuroscience, and lived experience, the conversation explores how human systems are wired for connection and how relationships directly influence regulation, health, and resilience. The hosts challenge the idea that connection is optional and instead position it as foundational to how we heal, function, and thrive.

In this episode, you'll hear:

• How connection impacts the body at a biological level, including stress, inflammation, and recovery
• Why many of our relational reactions are unconscious and rooted in evolutionary survival systems
• The concept of the body as a "system of systems" that regulates best in relationship, not isolation
• A practical listener challenge to identify which relationships regulate or dysregulate your nervous system
• An introduction to "social prescribing" and how connection can be part of modern healthcare

Why listen to this episode?

This episode shifts the conversation from "friendship is important" to "friendship is essential." It gives you a research-informed lens to understand why connection affects everything from your stress levels to your long-term health, while also offering practical ways to assess and improve the quality of your relationships. If you are leading, caring for others, or simply trying to function at a higher level, this conversation makes a compelling case that your relationships are not peripheral to your success or well-being, they are central to it.

©Friendship Institute 2026

The Friendship Matters™ podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for the guidance provided by medical professionals directly involved in your care. Do not use information shared on the podcast for the diagnosis or treatment of any type of health problem. Because we care about your wellbeing, please raise any health concerns immediately with your personal medical providers.

What if the friend who keeps canceling, pulling back, or seeming distant is not losing interest, but running out of capacity?

SEASON 5: Friendship, Wellbeing and Wellness. Episode 7

In this episode of Friendship Matters, we explore a powerful and often overlooked truth. Chronic pain does not just affect the body. It changes how people connect, communicate, withdraw, and heal.

Dr. Sanjiv Lakhia joins us to unpack the difference between pain and suffering, and why that distinction matters for friendship. Pain may begin in the body, but suffering often grows through fear, uncertainty, isolation, and the meaning we attach to what is happening.

This conversation moves beyond medical treatment into the lived experience of pain. Dr. Lakhia explains how pain can make a person's world smaller, why people often pull back from social connection, and how friends can offer support without trying to fix or control the journey.

Key Insights to Consider

• Why chronic pain can quietly shrink a person's social world
• How pain consumes emotional and cognitive capacity
• The difference between physical pain and the suffering created by fear and uncertainty
• Why withdrawal may reflect limited capacity, not lack of care
• How loneliness can affect inflammation, immune response, and healing
• Why friends may be uniquely positioned to offer perspective, levity, and honest support
• The importance of being a passenger, not the driver, in someone else's pain journey
• How small practices like breathwork, presence, and daily rituals can support nervous system regulation
• Why redefining friendship expectations during illness can protect connection

This episode offers a more compassionate lens for understanding what happens when pain changes someone's ability to show up. If you have ever been hurt by a friend's distance, or if you have been the one quietly pulling away, this conversation invites a different question. Not "what is wrong with this relationship," but "what might be happening beneath the surface that I cannot see?"

Friendship Matters Guest

Dr. Sanjiv Lakhia is a double board-certified physician in Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation and Integrative Medicine, specializing in non-surgical spine care and chronic pain. With over two decades of clinical experience, he combines conventional interventional treatments with evidence-based integrative approaches to help patients restore function and reduce pain without over-reliance on medications or surgery.

He is also the author of The Healing Pain Pyramid, where he outlines a whole-person framework for addressing pain through movement, nutrition, mindset, and targeted therapies. Known for bridging the gap between traditional medicine and root-cause care, Dr. Lakhia focuses on helping patients take control of their health and reclaim long-term performance and quality of life.

What if a problem you think you have already worked through is still quietly shaping your relationships, and you simply do not know it yet?

SEASON 5: Friendship, Wellbeing and Wellness. Episode 6

In this episode of Friendship Matters, we explore a powerful and often overlooked truth. The patterns shaping your friendships may not be conscious choices. They may be rooted in how your brain and body have stored past experiences.

Through a deeply personal story, Tom DeLano shares how a traumatic event involving his son led him to study how the brain processes and stores memory. What he discovered challenges conventional thinking. The emotional patterns driving our reactions and relationships are not fixed. They can be updated.

This conversation moves beyond theory into practical insight. It reframes "chemistry" and introduces a critical distinction between what feels familiar in the nervous system and what is actually safe.

Key Insights to Consider

• Why your brain can replay past experiences as if they are happening in real time
• How unresolved experiences shape who you are drawn to and how you interpret others
• The difference between nervous system familiarity and genuine relational safety
• Why stress and stored experiences can amplify reactions in everyday interactions
• How memory reconsolidation offers a path to updating emotional patterns
• Why becoming your own best friend is not just mindset, but physiology
• How a regulated body creates the conditions for deeper, healthier friendships

This episode offers both insight and hope. If you have ever noticed repeating patterns in your relationships or questioned your own reactions, this conversation provides a new lens. When you understand how safety shapes connection, you gain the ability to shift not just how you relate to others, but how you experience yourself.

Friendship Matters Guest

Tom DeLano is the Founder of BioAlignment and a facilitator of Memory Reconsolidation. His work focuses on helping individuals update adverse experiences stored in long‑term memory. By facilitating changes at the level of long‑term memory, Tom supports shifts in automatic emotional and physiological responses, allowing people to experience meaningful improvements in both mental and physical health.

Explore Tom's work here www.bioalignment.com

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The Friendship Matters™ podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for the guidance provided by medical professionals directly involved in your care. Do not use information shared on the podcast for the diagnosis or treatment of any type of health problem. Because we care about your wellbeing, please raise any health concerns immediately with your personal medical providers.