Peter Swimm started at a library computer desk. He ended up as a product owner at Microsoft and founder of his own AI security consultancy.

In this episode, Peter shares the real path — not the polished LinkedIn version. He talks about why working at startups changed how he thinks about learning, what it actually takes to balance security with user experience, and why conversational AI is opening a security attack surface most teams aren't prepared for.

If you're trying to break into cybersecurity from a non-traditional background, or you're already in tech and wondering what's next — this conversation is for you.

🔑 Key Takeaways:

→ Why baking security in from day one beats retrofitting it later

→ The "promiscuous learning" mindset that opens more doors than any cert

→ How conversational AI is changing the threat landscape right now

→ Career moves that come from taking on work outside your job description

→ What organizational culture really signals about your growth ceiling

📌 Chapters:

0:00 Intro — Peter's Cybersecurity Origin Story

0:58 First tech job and what the internet taught him

2:41 Transition into product ownership

5:03 Balancing security vs. user experience

9:19 Career advice: what actually works

16:00 The evolution of conversational AI

21:23 AI security: the challenges nobody talks about

26:42 Final thoughts and advice

🔗 Connect with Peter Swimm:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterswimm/

🎙️ Breaking Into Cybersecurity:

Newsletter: https://newsletter.breakingintocybersecurity.org

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/16hs6zYtLa4iS4RTcyNF71

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-into-cybersecurity/id1463136698

📚 Books We Recommend:

Develop Your Cybersecurity Career Path: https://amzn.to/3443AUI

Hack the Cybersecurity Interview: https://www.amazon.com/Hack-Cybersecurity-Interview-Interviews-Entry-level/dp/1835461298/

Magnetic Hiring (Renee Small): https://magnetichiring.com/book

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## Links Mentioned

- Peter's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterswimm/

- Toilville (Peter's Consultancy): [mentioned in episode]

- Breaking Into Cybersecurity Newsletter: https://newsletter.breakingintocybersecurity.org

- Christophe's CPF Coaching: https://www.cpf-coaching.com

- Renee's Book (Magnetic Hiring): https://magnetichiring.com/book

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- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/16hs6zYtLa4iS4RTcyNF71

- Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-into-cybersecurity/id1463136698

- Newsletter: https://newsletter.breakingintocybersecurity.org