In this #TripleHelix episode of #DefenceDeconstructed, we sit down with Vice Admiral (Ret'd) Ron Lloyd to discuss his new policy perspective, "Nine Actionable Decisions for the Prime Minister to Best Posture Defence". We discuss specific recommendations; the need to make changes to the underlying small p policy set in the Government of Canada, if you want to achieve big capital P policy outcomes. We also preview our upcoming conference "Charting Canada's Digital Ambition" on 16th September.

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Guest bios:

Vice Admiral (Ret'd) Ron LLoyd was the 35th Commander of the Royal Canadian Navy from 2016-2019. During that time he was also “double hatted” as the acting Vice Chief of the Defence Staff for almost half a year and as the first Chief Data Officer for the Department of National Defence and Canadian Armed Forces for a full year.

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Host bio:

Dr. David Perry is President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

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Recommended Readings:

- "Nine Actionable Decisions for the Prime Minister to Best Posture Defence" by Vice Admiral (Ret'd) Ron LLoyd

- "How Big Things Get Done" by Bent Flyvbjerg and Dan Gardner

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Music Credit: Drew Phillips | Producer: Jordyn Carroll

Release date:

29 August 2025