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In this episode, we explore the rare but inspiring career path from Production Director to Executive Pastor.
We are joined by Dave Clark of Fellowship Church (Grapevine) to discuss how he transitioned from technical leadership to executive leadership. We break down the difference between treating ministry as a "job" versus a "calling," and Dave shares practical advice on how tech directors can build trust with senior pastors and get "unstuck" when they feel stagnant.
In this episode you'll hear:
0:00 Toby’s Church Planting Story
6:30 Dave Clark (Fellowship Church Grapevine) Joins
14:30 Defining Ministry: A Job vs. A Calling
17:00 Career Path: From Tech Director to Executive Pastor
21:45 How to Minister to Production Volunteers
27:00 Getting "Unstuck" in Your Ministry Career
29:00 Building Trust with Senior Leadership
38:00 Pastor Ed Young’s Wildest Production Requests
48:00 Staying Calm During a Tech Disaster
53:00 Avoiding "Imaginary Arguments"
54:15 Tech Takeaway: Ask Questions to Understand
55:45 C3 Conference Preview
You can sign up for the C3 Conference with this link to get a special rate discount from $229 to $99.
https://brushfire.com/fellowship/c3conference2026/598770/register?typeCode=C3COMEBACK
Get chapter one of Toby's new book "Sacred Spaces, Modern Production" here.
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By Toby Walters [Church Tech Advocate]4.9
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In this episode, we explore the rare but inspiring career path from Production Director to Executive Pastor.
We are joined by Dave Clark of Fellowship Church (Grapevine) to discuss how he transitioned from technical leadership to executive leadership. We break down the difference between treating ministry as a "job" versus a "calling," and Dave shares practical advice on how tech directors can build trust with senior pastors and get "unstuck" when they feel stagnant.
In this episode you'll hear:
0:00 Toby’s Church Planting Story
6:30 Dave Clark (Fellowship Church Grapevine) Joins
14:30 Defining Ministry: A Job vs. A Calling
17:00 Career Path: From Tech Director to Executive Pastor
21:45 How to Minister to Production Volunteers
27:00 Getting "Unstuck" in Your Ministry Career
29:00 Building Trust with Senior Leadership
38:00 Pastor Ed Young’s Wildest Production Requests
48:00 Staying Calm During a Tech Disaster
53:00 Avoiding "Imaginary Arguments"
54:15 Tech Takeaway: Ask Questions to Understand
55:45 C3 Conference Preview
You can sign up for the C3 Conference with this link to get a special rate discount from $229 to $99.
https://brushfire.com/fellowship/c3conference2026/598770/register?typeCode=C3COMEBACK
Get chapter one of Toby's new book "Sacred Spaces, Modern Production" here.
Get more money back in your budget and more space in your closet by selling us your used gear here.
Apply to work at ChurchGear here!
Resources for your Church Tech Ministry
Connect with us:

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