In this episode, we explore the rare but inspiring career path from Production Director to Executive Pastor.

We are joined by Dave Clark of Fellowship Church (Grapevine) to discuss how he transitioned from technical leadership to executive leadership. We break down the difference between treating ministry as a "job" versus a "calling," and Dave shares practical advice on how tech directors can build trust with senior pastors and get "unstuck" when they feel stagnant.

In this episode you'll hear:

0:00 Toby’s Church Planting Story

6:30 Dave Clark (Fellowship Church Grapevine) Joins

14:30 Defining Ministry: A Job vs. A Calling

17:00 Career Path: From Tech Director to Executive Pastor

21:45 How to Minister to Production Volunteers

27:00 Getting "Unstuck" in Your Ministry Career

29:00 Building Trust with Senior Leadership

38:00 Pastor Ed Young’s Wildest Production Requests

48:00 Staying Calm During a Tech Disaster

53:00 Avoiding "Imaginary Arguments"

54:15 Tech Takeaway: Ask Questions to Understand

55:45 C3 Conference Preview

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