Aaron chats with Tovar Cerulli, speaker, conservationist, and author of the book, "Mindful Carnivore: A Vegetarian's Hunt for Sustenance". We cover a life in the outdoors, the transition from vegetarian to vegan to hunter, his work in conservation, and making connections between people who care about wildlife. 

https://tovarcerulli.com/

Show notes:

2:33 – Tovar’s early season kayak adventures

4:48 – Tovar’s childhood outdoors

6:45 – when, how, and why Tovar became a vegetarian

9:40 – the rationale and ideas that made Tovar shift away from vegetarianism

11:30 – when Tovar began to realize agriculture’s impact on wild animals

14:20 – Aaron’s animal ethics course in graduate school

16:45 – the transformation to hunting

20:38 – how Tovar received much less negative feedback about being a hunter than he thought he would

24:40 – peers and neighbors who helped Tovar establish his hunting identity

29:10 – Tovar never imagining being a hunter, a writer or a public speaker

30:45 – building bridges between hunters, environmentalists, and vegetarians

33:24 - Tovar’s journey into a professional life in conservation

36:40 – Tovar’s work on the “Relevancy Roadmap”

42:45 – how we can diversify wildlife funding and bring more people into conservation

49:20 – the resistance by users to pay for conservation

52:55 – talking about hunting in an inviting and connecting way

56:12 – not making assumptions about non-hunters

59:30 – the biggest issues facing hunters and anglers today

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