We're back! After seeing Superman a few times in theaters, Gail and Nate have a bunch of thoughts.

Here are some timestamps to help you through the episode if you don't want to listen straight through.

• 00:00:00 - Intro
• 00:41:57 - Our feelings on the new Superman movie
• 00:45:10 - Spoilers start here
• 01:18:02 - Deconstruction themes in Superman

Oh, and here's that picture of Nate that Gail wants you all to see.

Merry Christmas, Exvies!

Do you ever feel out of place at your deeply religious family's holiday celebrations? We know the feeling. For this special holiday edition of the podcast, we're joined by our friends Jessica Goforth and Zach Malm to talk about how Christmas has evolved over the course of our shifts away from Christianity and share some of our coping strategies when the religious traditions take over the festivities.

• Jessica's Naughty Holiday Playlist (Spotify)
• Jessica's Naughty Holiday Playlist (Apple)
• Zach's Original Music
• Zach's Holiday Playlist

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The biggest Broadway musical adaptation has hit the big screen, and for some reason Evangelicals have some thoughts on it. Our dear friend Jessica Goforth from the Leaving the Village podcast sat down with us to chat about the new movie, Wicked: Part 1.

We spend a chunk of the episode talking about musical theatre in general, along with some other Wicked-adjacent topics, so if you want to jump straight into our conversation about Wicked itself, skip straight to 37:40.

Nate recently wrote an essay with even more thoughts on some of the political themes in Wicked as well as how some of the characters resonate with the Exvangelical experience. You can give it a read here: natenakao.wordpress.com/2024/12/03/wicked-through-and-through

Also, as mentioned in the episode, here are a few little performances Jessica and Nate did of a couple songs from Wicked:

• Jessica singing "Popular" on Smule: facebook.com/jess.j.goforth/videos/553732644075224
• Nate singing "As Long as You're Mine" recorded with YouTuber Maisie Waller: youtu.be/QPnrF6KI3n0
• Nate performing "As Long as You're Mine" live at a cabaret night in Montclair, NJ, with Allison Gormley: youtu.be/F_PLkHMGDCo

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YouTube chapters:

- 00:00:00 - Intro

- 00:04:47 - Musical theatre talk

- 00:37:40 - Wicked and the Evangelical reaction

- 01:53:22 - Our own reaction to Wicked: Part 1

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A few members of the Dauntless Media Collective team—Gail from Full Mutuality, Jessica from Leaving the Village, Maggie from Hello Deconstructionists, Nate from Full Mutuality, and Scott from Chapel Probation and Horny Chapel—shared their raw, unedited, and unfiltered reactions to the 2024 election results.

If you're looking for Exvangelical community online, please feel free to join the Dauntless Media Discord server at dauntless.fm/discord-server.

Content Warning 2025 is taking place in Atlanta February 15-16. Sign up to attend at contentwarningevent.com and use the code DAUNTLESS10 at checkout for $10 off your admission. We'd love to see you there.

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Maggie Harrigan, host of the podcast Hello Deconstructionists and creator behind the Instagram account of the same name joins Nate and Gail for a fun conversation about healing from religious trauma, deconstruction, and the power of storytelling in building community after leaving evangelicalism.

TRIGGER WARNING: there are a ton of references to contemporary Christian music of the 2000's and early 2010's.

• Subscribe to Maggie's podcast at dauntless.fm/hellodeconstructionists.
• Follow Maggie's Instagram at instagram.com/hello_deconstructionists.

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To wrap up AAPI History Month, friend of the show Scott Okamoto joins Gail and Nate to share about his family's history during the years that Japanese Americans were incarcerated in concentration camps in the western part of the US and Canada. Also, as one of the hosts of the podcast Asians in Baseball, Scott needed to be tested on his knowledge of Asians in other sports, so listen all the way through for a little trivia on Japanese athletes in hockey and English soccer!

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Asian Representation in American Media | Visibility in Hollywood: https://youtu.be/VCLk6VlD_Tk
• The History of Asian Representation in Film: https://youtu.be/k5KwDTXWgSA
• More about Asian America on Full Mutuality: https://fullmutuality.com/asian-america
• Nate's video essay on FX's Shōgun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSmSWUk8qZA
• Nate on Scott's podcast: https://dauntless.fm/podcast/chapelprobation/episode/s2e4-nate-nakao-the-demerit-king-of-bob-jones-u-bju

Buy Scott's book:

• Bookshop.org
• Amazon
• Kobo

Scott's other media:

• Substack entry on Oppenheimer
• The Chapel Probation podcast: dauntless.fm/chapelprobation
• The Asians in Baseball podcast: podcastpotluck.com/asiansinbaseball

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Professor of Law Kimberly Mutcherson joins Gail and Nate to discuss the history of abortion access in the US, the current landscape of women's healthcare, and the need for reproductive justice in the pro-choice conversation.

Professor Mutcherson was the former co-host of the Anthem-Award-winning podcast—The Power of Attorney—which is produced by Rutgers Law School. Follow Professor Mutcherson on Bluesky: @professormutch.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Randall Balmer - "The Religious Right and the Abortion Myth," Politico 10 May 2022
• Reproductive Justice by Loretta Ross and Rickie Solinger
• Killing the Black Body by Dorothy Roberts
• Center for Reproductive Rights

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Happy Valentine's Day! On today's episode, Gail and Nate talk about what happens when you love everyone and everything else more than God. Oh, and be sure to check out the Content Warning event taking place in Portland this weekend! Tickets are available at contentwarningevent.com.

If you're looking for support for religious trauma survivors, check out the Reclamation Collective at reclamationcollective.com.

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In the third part of our miniseries, "My Cult Was in a Documentary," Eric Skwarczynski joins the show to talk about his work investigating the Independent Fundamental Baptists and about the Max/Investigation Discovery docuseries Let Us Prey: A Ministry of Scandals.

Eric's Links:

• Instagram | @preacherboysdoc
• Preacher Boys podcast | website
• Film School'd podcast | Apple Podcasts

Let Us Prey:

• Watch on Investigation Discovery
• Watch on Max

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Dr. Camille Lewis joins Gail and Nate to share her story of growing up in the IFB, her life at Bob Jones University, the controversies that forced her to leave, and her ongoing work analyzing and reporting on BJU and the larger world of fundamentalism.

• Read Dr. Lewis' story of leaving BJU here.
• Follow Dr. Lewis' ongoing reporting and analysis of BJU and fundamentalism here.

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