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Jessica Goforth from the podcast Leaving the Village returns to talk about ATI & ILBP, the cult with which the Duggars—the infamous family from the reality TV show 19 Kids and Counting—are associated.

•Jessica's podcast: https://dauntless.fm/podcast/leavingthevillage

•The BITE model of Authoritarian Control from Steven Hassan: https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

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Nate and Gail are joined by Jessica Goforth, one of the hosts of the podcast Leaving the Village and survivor of Bill Gothard's ATI and IBLP cult. She provides a look behind the scenes into the brainwashing and abuse that goes on in this Evangelical Christian cult.

•Jessica’s podcast: https://dauntless.fm/podcast/leavingthevillage

•Video of ATI student choir: https://youtu.be/LUSgPdX7W78

•Image from large ATI/IBLP conference: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlKO91yf9AQAhYlPHD3OcHsiPW6XbQ

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Canada's capital Ottawa has now been under siege for 3 weeks. Canadian journalist Tabi Wells joins Gail and Nate to discuss how a fringe anti-mandate group of self-proclaimed "freedom fighters" inspired by American alt-right groups have held Canada hostage. How did we get here?

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• This article by CBC explains the Emergencies Act Trudeau invoked.
• Vox explains why in-/out-group differentiation is much stronger on the right and takes precedence over facts. This explains why with anti-vaxxers staying true to your group is a powerful pull (especially for conservatives).
• PsychCentral examines how 'Anti-Vaxxers' May Think Differently Than Other People. The researchers discovered that people higher in vaccine skepticism were less accurate in their estimations of mortality-related events and overestimated the negative events, more easily swayed by anecdotal horror stories.
• The Independent explores through studies the link between childhood trauma and people who refuse the vaccine here.

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Gail and Nate sit down to discuss the Asian-American experience in 2021. Special appearance from Glenn Funamoto.

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Please note: This episode discusses sex abuse by clergy, sexual harassment, and contains a mention of suicidal ideation. Listener discretion is advised.

Lezeth shares her story of sexual harassment by a Hillsong pastor with Nate and Gail as they discuss the kind of culture that perpetuates abuses by evangelical leaders.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• BBC documentary, Hillsong Church: God Goes Viral
• 60 Minutes special, "Hillsong Hell: Disturbing accusations expose the celebrity-favoured church"
• Former member blog post, "Hillsong NYC: Dishonorable Mentions"

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Gail sits down with Nate and Lezeth as they share a behind-the-scenes look at how Hillsong Church's abusive structures are set up and maintained.

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Part 2 of Gail and Nate's conversation with Christopher Doran, where they discuss the need for churches to be clear on LGBTQ+ participation, healing after church trauma, and hope for a better way of communicating to LGBTQ+ folks whether they'll find a true home in specific churches. Be sure to listen to part 1 of the conversation here.

Read Chris' full story at this link.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• churchclarity.org for information on churches' actively enforced policies regarding women in leadership and LGBTQ+ inclusion.
• freedhearts.org for LGBTQIA+ support in religious communities.
• reclamationcollective.com for mental health support groups and therapists specializing in religious trauma, adverse religious experiences, and spiritual abuse survival.

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Please note: This episode contains mentions of non-consensual outing, authoritative manipulation, spiritual abuse, and suicidal ideation. Listener discretion is advised. Christopher Doran joins the podcast to share his story of joining a recovery group in a megachurch only to find betrayal, manipulation, and a severe lack of clarity on the topic of LGBTQ+ participation in the church. Read Chris' full story at this link. Visit churchclarity.org to find information on churches' actively enforced policies regarding women in leadership and LGBTQ+ inclusion.

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Author and musician Rick Pidcock joins the show to share his thoughts on Christianity Today's podcast, "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill," evangelicalism's take on deconstruction and the ex-evangelical phenomenon, and the platforming of former evangelical pastor Josh Harris. You can read Rick's article about CT's podcast and Josh Harris here. Find out more about Rick at his website, rickpidcock.com.

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Gail and Nate share their thoughts on Christianity Today's podcast The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and discuss concerns with how their approach to theology, gender roles, and their own relationships with evangelical power brokers prevent them from adequately addressing what went wrong with Mars Hill Church, and what is wrong with Mark Driscoll, the former lead pastor at Mars Hill.

Read Dr. Jessica Johnson's review of CT's podcast here.

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