Hlubi and Gareth are joined in studio by Koo Govender, Group CEO of the much admired global brand experience agency VWV. She recently received Mail & Guardian’s Women Empowerment Award for her work with Phakama Women’s Academy – a VWV non-profit initiative aimed at upskilling and empowering young women in the PR, marketing, and communications industry. Also in studio are two of the Phakama alumni.