In this episode, Ather speaks to Galina Esther Shubina, Senior Director of AI Strategy at King. They discuss how AI improves gameplay and development at King through AI-powered playtesting bots. Galina is excited about robotics but sees major technical challenges ahead. On AGI, she is skeptical, predicting it won't emerge for at least 100 years due to AI's Game on limitations in reasoning. For 2025, she expects smaller generative models and a shift toward traditional AI methods like supervised learning, which she sees as more valuable for businesses.