Gay Music: In the Key of Q

“It is possible to be this entity, this identity, this fearless Black, Queer person.”

Wuhryn Dumas was born in Atlanta, Georgia and makes beautifully positive music. His style is a blend of funkadelic Pop, R&B, House, Jazz and not to forget an undertone of Soul. His first six-track EP, ‘Glitter On Fire’ was released in 2020 after 2018’s premier single, ‘Chemistry’.

Topics covered in the episode include the power of Androgynous identity; the unfortunate absence of joy in Urban Music and Hip Hop; growing up Black and Queer in Atlanta, Georgia (yes the dolls and wearing shirts for wigs!); toxic masculinity with the traditions of the barbershop; the masks that we all wear in life and the magic of Prince and Michael Jackson.

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• Episode transcription available in PDF form.
• In the Key of Q composer Paul Leonidou’s online home.
• Artist’s music: Exclusive playlist; Spotify; Apple; SoundCloud;
• Artist’s social media and online home: Twitter; Instagram; online home

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“Music is healing for queer people because we find codes and messages that are hidden within songs, and we hear ourselves in them. And we see that caught in other people’s eyes.”

 Sydney-based singer-songwriter joins Dan Hall to talk about growing up gay in the Christian suburbs of Australia, singer-songwriter John Grant, the power of performance and his complex relationship with his commercial hit single, House of Air.

Links:

• Episode transcription
• Brendan’s Spotify playlist featuring his songs from this episode and his five tracks to save from Armageddon.
• Brendan’s at Bandcamp.
• Alan Jones and the Cronulla beach riots via ABC News.
• John Grant at the Brixton Academy (bootleg).
• John Grant singing Queen of Denmark, Strongroom Sessions.
• The NSFW music video for House of Air.
• Brendan’s long-time collaborator, Harry Clayton-Wright.
• In the Key of Q composer Paul Leonidou’s online home.

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“Drake really opened the door for Rap to get that vulnerability.”

Hip Hop singer SADBOY shares with us his upbringing, his blinding work-ethic and of course his percussive and deeply atmospheric tunes.

Links:

• Episode transcription
• SADBOY’s Spotify playlist featuring his songs from this episode and his five tracks to save from Armageddon.
• SADBOY‘s forever home online.
• Vox’s short on Afrofuturism.
• Alyssa Jerome’s short on Neo Soul.
• Destiny’s Child Lose My Breath.
• Felix Howard in Madonna’s Open Your Heart video.
• Real Talk – Black Boys Don’t Cry (Mental Health with Black Men).
• Me Him Us – Mental Health campaign for Black gay and bisexual men.
• Lil Nas X music video for Holiday.
• In the Key of Q composer Paul Leonidou’s online home.

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“So much of my journey with not just my sexuality, but my spirituality, has been returning to a childlike version of myself.”

WARNING: THIS EPISODE CONTAINS REFERENCES TO SUICIDE.

Blake Mundell speaks about his highly personal journey through Faith and the clash with his Queer identity.

He discusses his fear of coming out as an NFL employee, a shame that drew him to attempt suicide, and the emergence of the empathetic musician we see today.

Links:

• Episode transcription
• Blake’s Spotify playlist featuring his songs from this episode and his five tracks to save from Armageddon.
• Blake’s forever home online.
• Blake (as Courier) and his video in which “a black man can go out for a jog and make it home”.
• Inspirational gay NFL players at Casino.org.
• Galop help and advice for someone who is being blackmailed at work.
• History Channel discusses blackmail used as a tool against the Queer community.
• Blackmail and persecution in Nigeria, from The Guardian.
• Lucan Presbyterian Church’s Zoom chat on Stigmas in the Church: Being Gay and Being Christian.
• USA Today reports Presbyterian Church approving gay marriage.
• Runner’s World short documentary on the Running While Black movement.
• NPR’s excellent Code Switch on the challenges faced by runners of colour.
• BBC report on the shooting of Tamir Rice.
• In the Key of Q composer Paul Leonidou’s online home.

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“It was just as well he was pretty because he wasn't very smart!”

WARNING: This episode contains a discussion about a real-life extreme violent event.

• Metropolitan Police – reporting hate crime.
• GALOP – the LGBT+ anti-violence charity.
• Childline – homophobic bullying
• NHS - lesbian, gay, bisexual or trans (LGBTQ+) mental health support.

Aruan talks about his accidental outing at school and his lifelong music love of David Bowie, Prince… and Bucks Fizz!

Other subjects include the Russell T Davies HIV / AIDS drama, “It’s a Sin” and the homophobic murder of Jody Dobrowski.

A big thanks to our new Patreon subscriber Warren Woods whose generosity is allowing you to enjoy this episode.

Links:

• Support the podcast at our Patreon page for as little as £3 per month.
• Episode transcription
• Aruan’s Spotify playlist featuring his songs from this episode and his five tracks to save from Armageddon.
• Aruan’s band Furiku on Spotify and Apple Music.
• The Stones vs The Beatles from Vinyl Rewind.
• “My friend Stephen”’s great article on “Being Boring” from Pet Shop Boys.
• Bucks Fizz “Cold War” (Extended Version) on Spotify and Apple Music.
• THAT performance of “Tainted Love” from Soft Cell on Top of the Pops.
• “A Brief History of Prince” from The Beat Goes On
• David Bowie lyric “Oh no, love. You’re not alone!” in situ on Spotify and Apple Music.
• It’s a Sin – Trailer from Channel Four / Trailer from HBO Max
• It’s a Sin – Frameline Conversation hosted by Russell Tovey with Olly Alexander, Lydia West, Omari Douglas, Callum Scott Howells, Russell T Davies, Nathaniel Curtis and Neil Patrick Harris.
• The HIV / AIDS Iceberg advertisement from Sammy Harari.
• “Living with the Stigma of HIV” from BBC Three.
• In memory of Jody Dobrowski
• Article from The Guardian, “Barman killer had been released early”.
• In the Key of Q composer Paul Leonidou’s online home.

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In this powerful episode of "In The Key of Q," host Dan Hall speaks with Ty McKinnie, whose soulful voice Dan describes as feeling like "the most beautiful, sleepy all-night hug." Born and raised in Atlanta, Ty shares his journey of growing up in a religious Black household while secretly knowing he was gay. From hiding his true self in a religious environment that condemned homosexuality to finding liberation through music in New York, Ty offers a candid look at the intersectionality of being both Black and gay in America. His music serves as both personal therapy and a beacon for other Black queer people searching for authentic representation. Through heartfelt stories and reflections on songs like "Boys Like Me" and "Mutual," Ty reveals how creating art has become his way of reconnecting with his younger self while ensuring that young Black queer people today can see themselves reflected in contemporary music.

• 00:30 - Introduction to Ty McKinnie, whose lyrics tug at the heart and whose sound feels like "the most beautiful, sleepy all-night hug"
• 01:30 - Ty reflects on growing up in Atlanta as a joyful yet internally conflicted kid who knew he was gay
• 02:30 - Discussion of musical influences growing up in Atlanta, including hometown hero Ciara, Usher, and gospel music
• 03:40 - The significant role religion played in Ty's upbringing, being known as the "Hallelujah Baby"
• 04:20 - Ty discusses the intersectionality of being both Black and gay: "Being Black is already a deficit in societal terms... adding a gay label on top of that..."
• 05:35 - Reflections on his father's anger issues and the weight of expectations placed on Black men in America
• 06:45 - The homophobic environment within his religious upbringing and how it forced him to hide his true self
• 08:10 - The story behind his song "Boys Like Me," a reclamation of power from the toxic masculinity imposed by his father
• 09:30 - Discussion of music as a way for both artists and audiences to feel heard and connected
• 10:00 - Ty's first same-sex kiss experience: "I get it now. I don't want a girlfriend. I want you!"
• 12:20 - The contrast between being able to embrace his Blackness while having to bury his queerness growing up
• 13:10 - Moving to New York University and using academic excellence as a shield against homophobia
• 15:30 - Ty's hope that his music specifically empowers the Black queer community who face unique challenges
• 16:30 - The profound impact Frank Ocean's coming out in 2012 had on him while he was still closeted
• 17:20 - Discussion of the lack of visibility for Black queer artists compared to their white counterparts
• 18:55 - Reflections on 2020, racial injustice, and being reminded "you're still a Black gay man in America"
• 21:30 - How religion created a sense of limited autonomy and the journey to finding freedom
• 22:50 - Finding his "why" as an artist: creating representation so "people like me who share my identities see themselves"
• 24:00 - Imagining how his younger self would react to his current music
• 26:15 - "Mutual" as Ty's suggested gateway song, the first where he used "he" pronouns in his lyrics

Ty McKinnie is a Black queer musician from Atlanta now based in New York. His soulful pop sound blends R&B influences with heartfelt storytelling that directly addresses the intersection of Black and LGBTQ+ experiences. Through songs like "Boys Like Me" and "Mutual," Ty creates authentic representation for young Black queer people while processing his own journey of self-acceptance. Find his music and videos on all major streaming platforms and follow him on Instagram.

• Ty McKinnie - "Mutual" - Ty's recommended gateway song
• Ty McKinnie - "Boys Like Me" - Song discussing toxic masculinity and finding community
• Frank Ocean - "Channel Orange" - Album that provided representation for Ty as a Black gay man
• Frank Ocean - "Bad Religion" - Song referenced as important for Black queer representation

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Matt Fishel's journey from performing arts graduate to independent queer music pioneer reads like a manifesto for artistic integrity. When major record labels told him that "nobody will ever buy music sung by a man singing about other men," Matt made a choice that would define his career: he refused to compromise. Through his blend of European pop sensibilities and Green Day-inspired rock, Matt has crafted the soundtrack that his teenage self desperately needed.

This debut episode of In the Key of Q explores the critical importance of authentic representation in music. Matt's unashamed approach to queer storytelling offers a blueprint for artists who refuse to translate their experiences into palatable metaphors. His music doesn't just reflect queer life—it celebrates it with infectious melodies and fearless honesty.

In conversation with host Dan Hall, Matt reveals the personal cost of choosing authenticity over commercial success, and why that choice has ultimately proven more rewarding than any record deal could have been.

• [02:36] Industry Rejection: "Nobody will ever buy music sung by a man singing about other men. It just will not sell. Period." Matt shares the identical response he received from every major label executive.

• [04:11] Artistic Integrity Choice: Rather than remove gay content from his songs, Matt decided to forge his own path as an independent artist, refusing to "dull down" his experiences.

• [06:29] Madonna's Influence: Matt discusses how "Truth or Dare" shaped his understanding of queer visibility, watching it repeatedly from age nine and gravitating towards the gay scenes without understanding why.

• [09:54] Realisation vs Recognition: Dan's insight that coming out isn't about "realising you're gay" but "realising that other people think it's wrong" resonates deeply with Matt's experience.

• [12:07] Representation Matters: Matt credits Madonna for bringing gay people into her work "unashamedly" when it wasn't acceptable, providing essential visibility for young queer people.

• [16:09] Queer Suburbia: "Not Thinking Straight" was conceived as detailed songs about growing up gay in Nottingham, capturing the hidden world of queer teenage experiences behind closed doors.

• [18:10] Ageism Across Cultures: Matt's song "Twinks" serves as a cautionary tale about placing looks and youth as the sole important values, noting this is now a problem across all cultures, not just gay culture.

• [22:42] First Love and Loss: "Soldiers" pays tribute to Matt's first boyfriend who died in 2015, exploring the complex emotions of losing someone with whom you've shared physical intimacy.

• [25:24] Creating for His Younger Self: Matt reveals he made "Not Thinking Straight" as "the album I wanted to hear at 15 years old" - the album he wanted to "hug and jump up and down and scream about."

• [26:46] Gateway Song: "Radio-Friendly Pop Song" serves as Matt's mission statement, literally representing the industry's voice before his own voice emerges to declare: "Fuck you, I'm gay, I'm out, I'm proud."

Matt Fishel is an independent queer musician who has released three critically acclaimed albums blending European pop with rock influences. After major labels demanded he remove all gay content from his songs, Matt established his own record label to create authentic queer music without compromise. His visual approach to songwriting has produced numerous music videos that bring his stories to vivid life. Visit mattfishel.com for more information.

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In the Key of Q is a new show launching on Tuesday 23 March 2021, where you can find conversations with international Queer musicians.

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