I'm joined by George Greenia, a scholar of pilgrimage studies at the College of William and Mary in the United States. We chat about the profound themes of hope and community found in the Camino de Santiago.

We explore the motivations behind pilgrimage, the evolution of the Camino experience, and the transformative power of shared grief and healing.

Pilgrims walking with rebellious hope.

George shares personal stories and insights from his decades of experience, and later, we talk advice for future pilgrims and reflections on the enduring nature of hope in the context of pilgrimage.