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The pair digress into APIs and programming before tackling cybercrime, viruses and hacking. Jon confesses he has never been onto the Dark Net... and who the heck is Dom?
In this podcast, we learn why Jon shouldn't tell jokes and should get over cloud computing, that neither Jon nor Simon have a brilliant grasp of Geography, and that brightly coloured cars aren't necessarily the safest.
The conversation starts well but Jon descends into rambling tales of flying unicorns and Star Wars pizza. Simon is less than impressed.
Jon's great idea to record a podcast with Simon doesn't turn out too well, when he admits he doesn't like them very much. Despite things not going quite as planned, the pair agree to give it a go.
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