Nick and Jessa are joined again by friend of the pod and fellow attorney Chris Van Wagner (@defendedbycvw on twitter), who talks about his memories of the Robert Tenny trial.

Jessa and Nick are joined by friend of the firm Chris Van Wagner to start hyping up their upcoming Chicago shows by having Chris tell a firsthand account of defending a death penalty case in Cook County.

Jessa and Nick talk about the crazy epilogue surrounding Winson Moseley, killer of Kitty Genovese.

Nick and Jessa drill down on the known facts surrounding Kitty Genovese's 1964 rape and murder.

Jessa and Nick talk about the two different types of Good Samaritan laws, random life experiences, and introduce the murder of Kitty Genovese, which, when reported on in 1964, introduced us to the idea of the "bystander effect" -- originally reports suggested over 30 people watched the homicide and failed to intervene or call police.

Nick and Jessa talk about the single most asked question criminal defense attorneys are asked: "How do you defend those people?"

Jessa and Nick finish their conversation about the listener-shared materials and discuss the recent op ed in the New York Times about prosecuting DV cases without complaining witnesses.

Jessa and Nick deviate from planned episodes to talk about two listeners and the courageous things that they have done and shared with us.  This is an episode that was not "scheduled", but was required.  We did some things right, but we did some things wrong, and y'all taught us about it.  Here are the stories.

Jessa and Nick explain how something becomes a viable defense in the first place, and the due process requirements involved with creating new affirmative defenses.

Jessa and Nick continue their conversation about "trans panic" and "gay panic" defenses.