Girl Out of Order Podcast

What Matters Most to You? A Wake-Up Call and a Love Letter

You are not guaranteed the next minute. Christine was reminded of that outside her health club when she watched a young, fit stranger collapse in a seizure, and it shook her awake.

In this solo episode, Christine comes back to the mic after weeks away speaking straight from the heart. She asks the questions that moment left her with, what matters most to you, and what do you value enough to protect at all costs? Her answer might surprise you. What if it starts with the woman staring back at you in the mirror? You don’t have to witness a crisis to take charge of your life. When you matter most to yourself, everyone and everything around you benefits.

We also get into:

• Why accomplished women keep looking outside themselves for worthiness, and the “too big, too bright, too loud” tension so many of us live in
• The curveballs that come out of nowhere, and how identity work keeps you rooted when life swirls around you
• Why knowing who you are (and who you’re not) makes you more present for the moments that matter, plus a first look at the R5 Identity Method™ coming over the next few weeks

If you’ve been settling, shrinking, or putting yourself last, this one’s a love letter to you.

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Your title is not your identity. Jen Fort learned that the hard way, and she says the "implosion" might be the best thing that ever happened to her.

That's what Girl Out of Order is about, rewriting the script instead of squeezing yourself into a life that no longer fits.

Jen spent decades as a single mom and the director of a high-stress security command center, doing everything right. Then two colleagues died within three weeks, and two years later she was blindsided by an involuntary exit. Instead of asking "now what?", she asked "now who?" She gave herself time to wallow, did the soul-searching, and landed a job she had no background in with a 3 a.m. email. She went on to become a career coach, turn a spreadsheet of life lessons into seven books, and coin her own word for human connection, “connect working.”  And she's the first to say she didn't see the path until she looked back.

We also get into:

• Why you don't need clarity to start, and how "start scrappy, move messy" gets you moving when you can't see the whole path
• Connect working vs. networking: why people hate being treated like a vending machine, and the Safari Strategy for approaching someone from the side
• The One Person Challenge (meet one new person a week, learn their name, learn one thing about them), including why introverts may have a superpower when it comes to connecting

If you've ever lost a title, a job, or a plan and wondered who you are now, this one's for you.

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Fear is a liar, and a sneaky one. It rarely says no. It says "not now." Kindyl Keeton 

That's what Girl Out of Order is about, no longer letting fear write the rules for who you get to be.

Kindyl was a power tumbler and trampolinist who competed internationally, then a coach who ran her own program with about 300 athletes. Then she became a mom of three, and after her divorce in her mid-30s she became a UPS driver, knowing she was meant for more. She set a two-year goal to leave and watched it slip by, until a conversation with her teenage daughter exposed the belief holding her back: that a good mom plays it safe. When she rewrote it to "a good mom models the courage she's asking of her kids," she was out in about six months. Today she's an identity and transformation coach who helps people close the gap between where they are and who they already are.

We also get into:

• Why fear sounds like logic and responsibility, and how it disguises itself as "good mom" excuses
• Why the world justifies our fears, and why even the people who love us can pull us back toward what's familiar
• How Kindyl moves toward discomfort on purpose, from dinner alone to a dance class full of college kids, to show her body that nothing terrible happens

If you've ever told yourself "maybe tomorrow" about something you really want, this one's for you.

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You're not broken, you're becoming. Robyn Graham

Anxiety is a liar. It's also not a personality flaw. Robyn Graham says it's biological, and once you understand that, everything changes.

That's what Girl Out of Order is about, no longer contorting yourself into a mold you were never destined for.

Robyn grew up in a loving but anxious home in Southern Illinois, and she spent years trying to be who the world said she should be. Perfectionism, people-pleasing, and the need to control every situation became her armor. What she eventually learned is that those anxiety-driven behaviors are your nervous system trying to keep you safe, and that you can retrain it. When her own children began struggling with anxiety, she decided the cycle would stop with her. She became a doctor of pharmacy and an anxiety expert, and she wrote the book You, and Anxiety: Take Action Over Anxiety to Enjoy Being You. And she's the first to say she's still a work in progress.

We also get into:

• Why "just snap out of it" never works, and what's really happening in your brain and body when anxiety takes over
• The switch between your fear center and your "brilliant center," and why gratitude can flip it in a moment
• Why "I am anxious" becomes an identity, and the simple first steps (a pen, a piece of paper, and a walk around the block) that start rewiring it

If you've ever believed something was wrong with you, this one's for you.

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I didn't do bad things. I did too many good things.  Erika Coleman

The first time Erika and I got on a discovery call, I knew within five minutes this was a hell yes. Not just because we practically have the same bookshelves (we do), but because she said something I hadn't heard put into words before.  You can burn out doing everything right.

That's what Girl Out of Order is about, figuring out that "right" and "sustainable" aren't always the same thing.

Erika built a business teaching companies how to go virtual, grew it 345% in five months, and was still hired at the top of her game, right as her mom was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. For 14 months she gave everything, doctor's appointments, a flash mob of joy, a "happy pill" full of love notes, a family talent show. She thought giving her all was the only way to give her best. Then her mom passed away, her business closed two months later, and Erika found out the hard way that all in and giving your best are not the same thing.

We also get into:

• The research on why even good virtues become harmful past a certain point
• How to keep your drive without robbing tomorrow's version of you
• The two questions to ask yourself to check your pace and your presence before you burn out

If you've ever confused giving everything with giving your best, this one's for you.

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 What if you fly? What if this ends up being the most incredible journey that you ever have?  - Melanie Borden

The first time I saw Melanie Borden's bio, I decided she was out of my league. She was a keynote speaker, author, and founder, and I told myself she was "probably not my people." That had nothing to do with her and everything to do with the story I was telling myself about me.

That's what Girl Out of Order is about: getting underneath the story you tell yourself to find the real one.

Melanie and I are now friends, and in this conversation we compare notes on the moments that changed us. We talk about starting our businesses in the same season, both of us terrified, both of us crying over paperwork or in a home office, and both of us hearing the same question: What if you fly?

We also get into:

• Why visibility is a form of leadership
• How to handle criticism when you're a visible woman
• How to use AI without losing the part of you that can't be automated

If you've ever talked yourself out of a room you belonged in, this one is for you.

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What if your life on the inside could feel as good as your life on the outside?  Julee Brooke

Have you ever caught yourself wondering when you disappeared? Not in one big moment, but slowly, over years of putting everyone else first.

This week on Girl Out of Order, we sit down with Julee Brooke, a former lawyer turned real estate top-producer turned transformational guide, who has spent decades helping women reconnect with themselves after years of "chameleoning" to other people's needs.

Julee's own path took her from law school in DC to educational design in Hawaii, twelve years in Santa Fe real estate, and eventually to the Netherlands, where she's lived for the past eleven years. Along the way, she kept noticing the same pattern, in herself and in the women around her: sixty-hour work weeks, taking on a partner's interests instead of their own, forgetting to actually live the life they were building. That pattern is what led her to create The Whole Woman Summit, a free virtual event on Sunday, September 20th, bringing together many power-packed, diverse speakers (myself included) to help attendees feel, in Julee's words, "alive in all aspects of their life." 

Grab your free ticket to the Whole Woman Summit here: https://thewholewomansummit.com/optin-9542?am_id=christine6892 

Go VIP and you'll unlock extra speaker freebies, including a free coaching session with me!

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"Even when your voice shakes, sis, speak up!"

My voice started changing in December. I kept brushed it off: a cold, aging, poor sleep. After a friend pointed it out, I started to pay attention. A visit to my doctor for hormonal support turned into a throat exam, then a thyroid ultrasound that flagged "mildly suspicious" nodules — later downgraded to "boring" by a specialist. That scare pushed me to an ENT, where a scope revealed the real issue: vocal cord nodules. 

The fix isn't surgery. It's speech therapy — learning to slow down, breathe with intention, and speak differently, a real challenge for someone who moves through life fast by default. Well, I'm now in the middle of treatment, which is why the podcast went quiet and why this episode is a solo return before a run of previously recorded guest interviews.

Here's what I want you to know...

• The literal voice mirrors the authentic voice. 
• Silencing starts external, then becomes internal. 
• We become our own censor. 
• This matters for the next generation. 
• Speak up even when your voice shakes, advocate for yourself, and refuse to outsource your own knowing to someone else's confidence.

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"If you don't have any storms in your relationship, find some. Because if we did not have the obstacles we had, we would not have this relationship."                         John and Annie Meng

What does it look like to build an identity as a couple — not just as two individuals sharing a life? In this rich, raw, and deeply personal conversation, Christine sits down with John and Annie Meng, founders of Love Jaam, to explore what it truly takes to create a shared identity in a relationship — and why the hardest seasons are often the ones that make you.

Annie — Wharton graduate, former Miss Arizona, Wall Street finance veteran, and expecting mama — opens up about what it meant to be disowned by her family for choosing love. Death threats. Wedding day absences. And ultimately, the slow, intentional work of reconciliation that changed her from the inside out.

John, a serial entrepreneur, business exit advisor, and relationship coach, shares how watching the woman he loved walk toward a potentially dangerous confrontation with her father — while he sat quietly in the car — became one of the most spiritually defining moments of his life.

Together, they unpack:

✦ Why opposites don't just attract — they complete
✦ How to use the DISC profile to understand your couple dynamic
✦ What Tony Robbins' four seasons of relationship reveal about where you are right now
✦ The moment John realized love — not ego — had to lead
✦ Why Annie's estrangement from her family became the catalyst for her greatest personal growth
✦ The "Three C's" of lasting love: Chemistry, Commitment, and Compassion
✦ How to create a couples vision — the one exercise Christine is writing down mid-conversation

This episode is for the woman who wants a great relationship but sometimes wonders if what she sees in other couples is even attainable. Spoiler: it is. And behind every great couple is usually a powerful, hard-won story.

Connect with John & Annie Meng:
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📱 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annielimeng/ https://www.instagram.com/johnpmeng/

“Who you surround yourself with will often dictate the altitude you achieve.”

What happens when you finally find the room that calls you back to yourself? In this episode, I share a raw, heartfelt recap of the spring retreat with the True Legacy Collective — and why the tribe you choose can either cage you or completely transform you.

This isn't about FOMO. It's about possibility.

We break down what it really means to belong — not fitting in, but being fully seen, fully held — and why your identity expands fastest when you're in the right room with the right women.

In this episode:

• What a mastermind really is (and why most people misunderstand it)
• The difference between fitting in and true belonging
• Why your dreams need witnesses, not just your journal
• How the women around you set the altitude of your life
• 5 things the right tribe will always do for you

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