Shannon is joined by NYT best-selling author, Pastor Max Lucado for a conversation about his latest book, God Never Gives Up On You.

Pastor Lucado tells the story of Jacob in the Bible and explains that despite his mistakes and flaws, God never turned away from him. Shannon and Pastor Lucado discuss why many people of faith are unsure whether God believes in them.

Later, Pastor Lucado assures listeners that our bad decisions don't define us, and that God's forgiveness ultimately sets us free.

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