We have a conversation of hope!  God will never kick us out of his family.  But we do have an enemy who wants us to doubt.  So we talk about how we can discern the difference between the enemy's condemning voice and the Lord's convincing and encouraging voice.  We also talk about how hearing God's word, taking it to heart and following Jesus is evidence that we are saved.  We'll have a conversation about how we'll never find the ultimate verdict that we're right with God when we're performing to get it.  And Perry shares a real time struggle that he's having with the enemy's accusations.