Dr. David VanDrunen is at The Babylon Bee to talk about how we all need the Gospel, we are living in Babylon, and how Christians should use their brains to engage with politics, culture, and theology. What does it mean for Christians if we are living in Babylon? Should Christians be calling for Christian Nationalism?

Dr. David VanDrunen is an ordained minister in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and a professor of Systematic Theology and Christian Ethics at Westminster Seminary California.

If you are looking for a confessionally reformed place to prepare for ministry, check out Westminster Seminary California: https://wscal.edu/

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