In this deeply moving episode, Adam and Ty sit down with Pastor Ray Ortlund to discuss his latest book, Good News at Rock Bottom: Finding God When Pain Goes Deep and Hope Seems Lost. Ray shares powerful reflections on how suffering, betrayal, and loss can become sacred spaces where God draws near. The conversation explores the nature of grace, the reality of rock bottom, and how true healing begins not by escaping pain but by meeting Jesus in it. Whether you’re in the thick of it or walking with someone who is, this episode offers hope that’s grounded, honest, and full of grace.

Topics Discussed

01:00 – Introducing Ray Ortlund & His New Book

03:00 – Writing to the Suffering: Who the Book is For

06:00 – What’s Good About Rock Bottom?

08:00 – Isaiah 57:15 – God’s Two Addresses

10:00 – The Mushy Middle vs. Rock Bottom

13:00 – Finding God When Life Falls Apart

15:00 – The Power of Gathering in Weakness

18:00 – Churches as ERs for the Broken

21:00 – Joy and Healing in the Midst of Pain

22:30 – Rock Bottom Realities: Betrayal, Sin, Loneliness, Death

25:00 – The Grace of God in Our Mess

28:00 – The Hebrew Meaning of Grace

30:00 – Forgiveness as Defeating Evil

33:00 – How to Lead from Rock Bottom

35:00 – Known or Impressive: You Can’t Be Both

Resources Mentioned

• Book: Good News at Rock Bottom by Ray Ortlund
• Scripture:
• Isaiah 57:15
• Hosea 11
• John 8:34

Connect with Our Guests

• Ray Ortlund
• Website: renewalministries.com
• X: @rayortlund
• Instagram: @rayortlund

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