Sissy Goff and David Thomas talk with Justin Whitmel Earley about his new book The Body Teaches the Soul and how our everyday physical habits—like breathing, sleep, movement, and technology use—quietly shape our spiritual lives and parenting. Justin shares how burnout and anxiety led him to discover that lasting change comes not from trying harder, but from practicing small, embodied habits that help us respond with patience, presence, and grace. With practical encouragement for overwhelmed parents, he reminds us that habit change is about responding to God’s love, not earning it, and that starting small can lead to meaningful transformation.

Resources mentioned:

The Body Teaches the Soul by Justin Whitmel Earley

The Common Rule by Justin Whitmel Earley

Habits of the Household by Justin Whitmel Earley

Made for People by Justin Whitmel Earley 

Atomic Habits by James Clear

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In this warm and super-practical holiday episode, Sissy and David share 10 grounding tips to help families navigate Christmas with more connection and less overwhelm. They normalize the big feelings kids—and parents—experience this time of year, offer simple tools like previewing plans, using calm-down kits and code words, practicing gratitude, and building gentle rhythms instead of rigid schedules. They also speak tenderly to families carrying grief, give guidance for managing family dynamics and gift overload, and remind listeners that the holidays don’t need to be magical—just manageable, honest, and connected. They close by sharing a favorite family tradition and reading a beautiful prayer from Every Moment Holy for anyone wrapping gifts this week.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Strong and Smart: A Boy's Guide to Building Healthy Emotions by David Thomas

All Is Calmish: How to Feel Less Frantic and More Festive During the Holidays by Niro Feliciano

The Jesus Storybook Bible by Sally Lloyd-Jones – specifically “The Light of the Whole World” chapter

Every Moment Holy – “A Liturgy for the Wrapping of Christmas Gifts”

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Sissy and David reflect on the meaningful conversations and listener feedback from their Enneagram parenting journey, offering a quick, hope-filled recap of each number’s core parenting strengths and how to support kids of every type. They remind us there’s no “right” way to parent—only the unique goodness each number brings—share a few favorite resources for further learning, and close with a tender benediction for parents doing the sacred work of raising boys and girls.

Resources mentioned:

The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanne Stabile

The Path Between Us by Suzanne Stabile

The Journey Toward Wholeness: Enneagram Wisdom for Stress, Balance, and Transformation by Suzanne Stabile

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In this rich and hope-filled conversation, Sissy and David are joined by beloved friends and Enneagram teachers Jill Phillips and Hunter Mobley to explore how the Enneagram can help parents show up with more grace, humility, and curiosity. Together, they unpack how understanding motivations—not just behaviors—can transform parenting, reduce reactivity, and deepen connection. Hunter shares insights from his book Letting Go, Finding You, inviting parents to see their Enneagram type not as a box but as a pathway toward virtue, healing, and surrender, while Jill offers practical wisdom on stances, compassion, and loving kids in ways that fit who they uniquely are. With reflections on contemplative practices, slowing down, and trusting that our kids’ stories are still unfolding, this episode offers parents reassurance, perspective, and hope for the long game of growth—for themselves and for their children.

Resources mentioned:

Letting Go, Finding You: Uncover Your Truest Self Through the Enneagram and Contemplation by Hunter Mobley

The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawerence

The Quotidian Mysteries by Kathleen Norris

Under Pressure by Lisa Damour

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Hillary Rector and Andy Gullahorn share an honest, thoughtful look at what it’s like to move through the world—and parent—as Enneagram Nines. They discuss the genuine ease, adaptability, and steady presence that come naturally to them, along with the quieter struggles: delayed emotions, difficulty voicing desires, and the instinct to “smooth the ice” for everyone around them. Their stories highlight both the gentleness and complexity of this peaceful number.

Hillary and Andy reflect on how their nine-ness shapes their parenting—helping them create a calm, grounded environment, while also challenging them to build clearer boundaries, name their needs, and show their kids a more defined sense of self. They offer practical insight for supporting nine children, encouraging parents to give them time, space, and gentle opportunities to speak up and step in. It’s a compassionate, warm conversation for anyone who loves a nine or is raising one.

If you liked this episode, we think you’ll probably like:

Episode 121: Storing Up Good Memories for Your Kids with Hillary and Ben Rector

Episode 18: Using the Enneagram to Understand and Parent Kids and Adolescents

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In this episode, Sissy and David dive into Enneagram Nines—their calming presence, deep empathy, and quiet, steady love that makes home feel like a safe place for kids’ big feelings. They also gently name the harder parts for Nines: avoiding conflict, losing their voice, procrastination, and numbing out, especially in parenting. You’ll hear practical ways Nine parents can use their voice, follow through with boundaries, stay present in conflict, and help Nine kids step into their own desires and decisions without losing their beautiful gift of peace.

Resources mentioned:

The Enneagram Made Easy

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In this Enneagram 8 episode, Sissy and David sit down with longtime friends (and parents of six young adults between them) Amy Fenton and Brian Camp. They share how their “eightness” showed up early—taking charge in childhood, pushing back on authority, and feeling fiercely independent—and how those same traits now benefit their kids through strength, decisiveness, advocacy, and protection that help children feel deeply safe and supported.

Amy and Brian also talk honestly about the harder parts of being an eight parent: quick overreactions, bulldozing with intensity, needing to be heard and “right,” and how fear can sit underneath their need to control. With stories from tossed Xboxes to “conversations about the conversation,” they share practical tools they’re using now—walking away, pausing, asking “Do you want to try that again?”, owning their mistakes, and choosing presence over certainty—so their kids experience them as strong, honest, deeply loyal parents who always have their back.

Resources mentioned:

Christian Sexuality: Raising Kids

Amy’s Cream of Taco

1 lb of browned ground beef1 half pint of whipping cream (yes, I did say whipping cream)1 lb Velveeta cubed2 cans of Chili with no beans2 can of chili hot beans - found in the bean section, not the chili section1 can of RotelPut all ingredients in a crock-pot for a few hours on low, allowing the cream to heat and thicken the mixture. Place in a bowl and put the Chili Cheese Frito's on top. You can top with sour cream, shredded cheese, pico, lettuce, etc.

It is even better reheated, and it is a fall favorite at our house. Makes enough to share with all the neighbors.

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Sissy and David explore the bold, protective world of Enneagram 8s, celebrating their fierce loyalty, honesty, and justice‑driven strength while also naming common struggles like intensity, difficulty showing vulnerability, and quick reactions. They offer practical guidance for eight parents and caregivers—soften tone, stay calm, practice vulnerability and repair—and ideas to help eight kids use their power for good, feel respected, and grow into balanced leaders.

Resources mentioned:

The Enneagram Made Easy by Elizabeth Wagele and Renee Baron – used as a simple tool to help kids identify their number.

The Road Back to You by Suzanne Stabile

Love And Logic Series – multiple books for different ages, educators, and grandparents; recommended especially for parents raising potential eights because of its focus on getting out of power struggles.

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Author and therapist Niro Feliciano joins Sissy and David to talk about her new book, All Is Calm-ish, and how we can find contentment and calm in the middle of a busy, often overwhelming holiday season. She shares simple, doable practices—like five minutes of stillness, tiny wellness habits, and choosing connection over perfection—and opens up about writing the book during a heavy season in her own family, walking with her daughter through significant anxiety. 

Together they discuss navigating grief, rethinking traditions, setting kind boundaries, and the beautiful overlap between faith and psychology, offering a hopeful, grounding guide for anyone longing for a little more peace—and a little more “calm-ish”—this Christmas.

Resources mentioned:

All Is Calm-ish by Niro Feliciano

This Book Won’t Make You Happy by Niro Feliciano

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In this episode, Sissy and David sit down with Enneagram Sevens Mary Killett and Aaron Weber, who share how their natural optimism, humor, and energy shape their lives at Daystar and at home. They talk about the joy of being wired for positivity, the pressure to always be “on,” and the growth that comes with learning to slow down, feel hard things, and meet people with presence instead of quick reframing. They also offer a glimpse into Daystar’s building expansion and the hope of a new podcast studio on the way.

As parents, Mary and Aaron reflect on how their Seven-ness helps them cheer on their kids, stay playful, and bring light into hard moments—while also learning to validate big emotions, pause before fixing, and listen more deeply.

If you’re interested in giving towards Daystar Counseling Ministries growth fund, here is the link to give.

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