Liv Augusta and Phillip Schramm of Goof Goof join us to figure out the hierarchy of host and co-host and the Next At Bat cabinet.

They also discuss abandoning narrative for an energy-driven experience with organic, musical transitions and lots of eye contact in which the contract with the audience allows meaning to be discovered by the viewer.

Also, we leave it to you decide if Philip and Phillip are the same person.

Then things get goofy.

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