Join The Higherside Chats podcast as Greg Carlwood talks Chaos Magic, Alien Ghosts, Animism and more with returning guest Gordon White. 

As we know by now, the once widespread and celebrated activities of ritual dances, powerful enchantments, communal entheogenic exploration, peering through multi-dimensional window areas, imagination cultivation by the flickering glow of the campfire's edge, and a whole grab bag of shamanic activities have largely faded to the brink obscurity.

As a learned Wizard, curator of Runesoup.com and author of three books, including Star.Ships, Chaos Protocols, and his most recent book , it's clear, now more than ever a resurgence of the magical perspective from Gordon White is needed.

Back in the THC saddle for a sixth time and ready to ride the wave once again as he runs away with the title of "returning champion" Gordon joins Greg for another go round on the magical carousel. 

3:00 Diving directly into the belly of the beast, Greg begins by discussing Gordon's presentation, Campfire's Edge. Listen as Gordon expands on the idea that magic is not something we "created" and that by widening our perspective to include the entire population of humans throughout the history of time, we come to realize we are a minority existing in a time where there is no presence and acknowledgment of the magical universe. Keeping this fact in mind, we can start to better understand and reformulate our ideas or modern and ancient history.

10:20 Elaborating on the concept of alien ghosts, Greg and Gordon discuss the possibility that inter-dimensional contact with beings may simply be the projected consciousness of physical beings on another planet. Could these beings simply be plugged into the same server in another realm?

13:50 Listen as Gordon helps Greg rectify the concept of dead spirits with the evidence that suggests multiple lives.