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In the aftermath of it's massive Federal immigration crackdown, the Trump Administration arrested Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan. For the sin of ushering a man out a clerk door, Judge Dugan is now facing 6 years of prison time and $350k in fines.

We also review a similar case from 2018, where a Massachusetts Judge shepherded a fugitive out of a court basement and out a back parking lot - and how that case differs from Dugan's.

Is this normal? Has this happened before? And what are the elements of the charges and the likely outcomes? Find out with us!

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Sources:

Judge Dugan Criminal Complaint.

Dugan Removed from the bench.

Title 18, United States Code, Section 1505.

Title 18, United States Code, Section 1071.

Fischer v. United States 23-5572 (U.S. June 28, 2024).

Printz v. United States 521 U.S. 898 (1997).

U.S. v. Bissonette, 586 F.2d 73, 78 (8th Cir. 1978).

Indictment in U.S. v. Joseph.

Update on Judge Joseph's MA disciplinary hearing.

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What happens when you know a court has issued an order that is blatantly unconstitutional? What happens if you disobey that order? And what if you are then held in contempt for it? What are the consequences, and what recourse do you have?

That was the exact question asked in Walker v. City of Birmingham, Alabama – a Supreme Court decision founded in the volatility of the civil rights era. A district court issued a clearly unconstitutional order, and the protestors and marchers (rightfully?) ignored it.

Find out what the Supreme Court thinks about the enforcement of court orders in this week's deep dive!

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Mark McCloskey - strict republican, anti-communist, and *almost* felon. Back in 2020, after George Floyd's murder, Mark and his wife Patricia waved guns at protesters who were passing by their home, and were eventually found guilty of misdemeanor assault and harassment. In this episode we're diving into the McCloskey's litigious history, how they've abused their legal licenses, failed a senate bid, and are right back to practicing today. At least Mark doesn't have a talk radio show anymore. Follow us along on this silly journey.

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McCloskey's radio show

https://newstalkstl.com/mark-mccloskey-on-fire/

Waving guns at protesters video - highly recommend watching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDs835Lo9Y&t=7s

https://mccloskeylaw.com/

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/the-st-louis-couple-charged-with-waving-guns-at-protesters-have-a-long-history-of/article_281d9989-373e-53c3-abcb-ecd0225dd287.html

https://nypost.com/2024/06/07/us-news/mark-and-patricia-mccloskey-records-expunged-after-st-louis-couple-waved-guns-at-blm-protesters/

https://x.com/mccloskeyusa/status/1405617567369150465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1405617567369150465%7Ctwgr%5E6ef2790e51f6485bdf6e3c154ed9c43595e8a8f1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffox2now.com%2Fnews%2Fmccloskey-says-ill-do-the-same-thing-again-after-pleading-guilty-in-gun-case%2F

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/mccloskeys-trump-suburbs-rnc/615655/

https://www.courts.mo.gov/file.jsp?id=184193

https://www.courts.mo.gov/file.jsp?id=184194

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_McCloskey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_gun-toting_incident

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/us/politics/jan-6-lawsuits.html

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Google Local Service Ads are changing soon - if a potential client calls your firm by clicking an ad, Google will record the call and retain the data! So if you work for a law firm and use LSAs, we highly recommend that you reconsider that... Oh, and we also highly recommend that you play Lindsey Takes the Bar Exam with us! Special thanks to Quimbee for the questions.

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This week on the news, Lindsey is joined by Callie from Law on The Street! Go follow them. Here's the latest: Kilmar Abrego Garcia is still in prison. He wasn't deported under the Alien Enemies Act, but there is an interesting ruling on that - Judge for the Southern District of Texas Fernando Rodriguez Jr, has ruled that Trump misused the Alien Enemies Act back in March when he deported a few hundred Venezuelans. Rodriguez's full ruling is in the sources below. Florida's attorney general James Uthmeier is trying to make it illegal for undocumented immigrants to enter the state, but a district judge has blocked his efforts. Love the priorities, Uthmeier. Finally we touched on the story of Judge Hannah Dugan, who was arrested for shielding a man in her court from ICE officers. This one is serious - we'd love to hear your thoughts.

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Sources:

https://apnews.com/article/kilmar-abrego-garcia-deportation-el-salvador-maryland-trump-8c77faaa8e87c25b4f2da3484bca56f2

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-ruling-by-judge-barring-deportations-of-venezuelans-from-south-texas-under-18th-century-law

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-florida-uthmeier-c527c9422c4fd00918cbfff7bf63b2d8

https://apnews.com/article/milwaukee-judge-arrested-supreme-court-suspended-49f25ea7702d3211719f926f8cfc90b7

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U.S. v Wong Kim Ark is the foundational case that started Birthright citizenship - defining who can participate in the American Dream. More than 125 years of caselaw later, and the United States still stands as a melting pot of multi-culturalism.

With the Trump administration attempting to overturn Birthright citizenship, it's time to talk about Wong Kim's story. This is a tale of xenophobia, civil war reconstruction, and the distant triumph of ideals over fear. Explore this incredible story with us, and check out the sources below to dive even deeper.

Oral arguments before the Supreme Court are scheduled on May 15th, 2025.

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Here are our sources: 

Birthright citizenship by country map

https://maint.loc.gov/law/help/birthright-citizenship/birthright-citizenship-map.pdf

The Supreme Court case

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

Dissenting opinion

https://perma.cc/C5PG-SQSP

Trump's executive order

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/

Trump v Washington State

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/trump-v-washington/

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Today we're talking: Where did Trump's tariffs go, and why? John is excited to share his thoughts on Liberation Day, and we'd love to hear what you think. Plus - another round of Lindsey Takes the Bar Exam! We're focusing on contract questions today, so maybe Lindsey has a chance...

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This week in the news: there's a lot. The California Bar's February exam was riddled with technical issues, and now we know part of the story why - the test writers trusted AI far too much. The Trump administration's appearance of power continues to erode, with Pete Hegseth accused of another Signal leak, and Kristi Noem's purse stolen in a public restaurant. The war between Ukraine and Russia continues to be TENSE, with Trump pushing Ukraine to cede Crimea to Russia. Plus things continue to be messy for universities - the Feds have decided to start collecting on defaulted student loans, which will mean a much tighter budget for 5.3 million people. Plus 6 universities have signed a pact to act together against potential administrative demands, as Harvard and others have received.

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Here are some sources:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/20/us/politics/hegseth-yemen-attack-second-signal-chat.html

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/20/ullyot-pentagon-hegseth-chaos-00300695

https://apnews.com/article/homeland-security-secretary-robbed-kristi-noem-ff0d68474c3a6bbd2ce496453a9215ab

https://apnews.com/article/student-loan-debt-default-collection-fa6498bf519e0d50f2cd80166faef32a

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2025/04/24/big-10-universities-alliance-trump-attacks/

https://apnews.com/article/california-bar-exam-artificial-intelligence-questions-94777bbaca7a1473c86b651587cf80c0

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/24/trump-ukraine-deal-norwegian-leaders-00307891

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We love doing LTBE and we know you love it too, so we're skipping the legal practice questions, and going straight into Lindsey Takes the Bar Exam! Please let us know what you think! And make sure to lock in your LTBE answer in the comments before John tells Lindsey the answer... And a special thanks to our Sponsor: Quimbee.

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